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Super Oat Jars - Hybrid TEK πππ 2
#26358312 - 12/03/19 03:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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TEK Revision Dec 19 2019
SUPER OAT JARS - HYBRID TEK (soak in jar/rinse/load wet/PC)
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BOD's Easy AF Oat Prep is the baseline for moisture content for any oat Tek due to the nature and power of boil/soak prep methods. Long story short his Tek produces oats with 75g of water uptake per 100g of oats and then the grains start to burst when more water is added.
At the opposite end of the Tek spectrum are "no prep" Teks. They are "mix ingredients and PC" Teks. They work great but don't get as much water uptake so they tend to be on the dryer end of the spectrum for grain Teks. My Precise Moisture Oat Jar Tek gives you right about 40g of water per 100g of oats.
The Hybrid Tek introduced here produces 100g of grain with 60-65g of water with only a 12 hour hot tap water soak and a quick rinse. No drying of grains. Just soak, rinse, load soaking wet and PC. All the water for this comes from the 12 hour soak. You can add a little more but no more than 1/4in of water in the bottom of the jar when it hits the PC or you will start to get sticky and burst grains.
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THERE ARE 2 DIFFERENT RECIPES
π₯ π₯ π₯ 2/3 PER QUART JAR π₯ π₯ π₯ 200g OF OATS
π₯ π₯ π₯ 3 CUPS SPAWN PER QUART π₯ π₯ π₯ 250G OF OATS
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STEP 1 (Add gypsum here if you are going to) Load 200g of dry oats into a quart jar and soak with hot tap water for 12 hours
STEP 2 Apply strainer to top of jar and flip over and drain (gypsum) water out really good. Add warm water and place palm over the mouth of the jar and shake good to rinse grains. Place strainer over mouth of jar and dump rinse water out. Shake most water out but you want no more than 1/4in of water at the bottom of the jar when they hit the PC. More water than 1/4in will burst grains or get really close to it.
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CRAZY SIMPLE RIGHT ?
65g of water per 100g of oats with no heat

Edited by YogiBear (12/31/19 06:42 AM)
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Re: Quick Oat Prep -> No Soak by Weight [Re: YogiBear]
#26358330 - 12/03/19 03:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice!
Seems like more and more people are avoiding the pre cooking and saving a ton of time!
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Re: Quick Oat Prep -> No Soak by Weight [Re: san pedro guy]
#26360088 - 12/03/19 10:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll be looking back to this when I need it, in a couple weeks. Thanks!
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: YogiBear]
#26360380 - 12/04/19 03:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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very nice write up. I think oat is extremely untreated, it's cheap and very easy to prep.
I hope this gonna be the fist of many good threats of yours
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: mr. whothehell]
#26360467 - 12/04/19 06:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I see the dryer grain an advantage if you are using Lcs or liquid inoculant.
Edited by eatyualive (12/04/19 07:42 AM)
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: mr. whothehell] 1
#26360469 - 12/04/19 06:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not completely hating yet. If this works for you then have at. But I forsee a few issues.
1. I worry that the oats will not be properly sterilized because they are still dry for most of the process. (I'm assuming that's why you added extra 30 minutes to PC cycle?)
2. Cooling your jars outside the PC will potentially draw contaminated air inside your jars
3. Shaking your jars every hour for 5 hours after a PC cycle seems to me like a lot more than letting some grain soak overnight... a grain prep with a soak and simmer may be an overall longer process but the actual amount of time you spend focusing on the work is a lot shorter.
Soaking grains overnight takes virtually no time and effort at all. Letting your PC cool overnight = no time and effort. So the amount of actual time and effort you put into a traditional grain prep is max 3 hours compared to your 7+ hour process
Anyway.. enough shitting Let's see some of your results. Do you have pics of jars at full colonization?
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: ComebackKid]
#26360491 - 12/04/19 06:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I only shake once, right after the pressure pin drops.
prep time is closer to a little over 2 hours.
Dust off the grains, put in jars, add water: 5 minutes PC time (including bringing up to temp and 10 minute vent): 105 minutes Pressure drop and shake 10-15 minutes?
Even tho there is a small top layer of grains that is not fully hydrated they still sterilize fine.
I love this method because it saves me a ton of time.
I am small scale tho so prob not the best for mass production...
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: ComebackKid]
#26360704 - 12/04/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
ComebackKid said: I'm not completely hating yet. If this works for you then have at. But I forsee a few issues.
1. I worry that the oats will not be properly sterilized because they are still dry for most of the process. (I'm assuming that's why you added extra 30 minutes to PC cycle?)
2. Cooling your jars outside the PC will potentially draw contaminated air inside your jars
3. Shaking your jars every hour for 5 hours after a PC cycle seems to me like a lot more than letting some grain soak overnight... a grain prep with a soak and simmer may be an overall longer process but the actual amount of time you spend focusing on the work is a lot shorter.
Soaking grains overnight takes virtually no time and effort at all. Letting your PC cool overnight = no time and effort. So the amount of actual time and effort you put into a traditional grain prep is max 3 hours compared to your 7+ hour process ?
Hey CBK
I am using Fahtsters Quick step rye prep technique for here and he swore by it for rye. Tried rye with it and got mush berries but works great with oats. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7718009#7718009
This Tek is an attempt to get precise numbers and for hydration of PP oats not to create the fastest bulk suppling method like Bods Tek.
Ive always wondered about cooling outside the PC. Doing BODs oat prep I pulled them out after 1 hour and got many shroomies from MS syringe for a test so Im on the right track.
I have an agar plate in the mail to me in a few days so I will have a clean spawn test too.
I am working on a batch right now to see just how much water PP oats will hold by percentages by weight of grain:water ratio 250g rye each jar Jar 1: 100g water Jar 2: 125g water Jar 3: 150g water Etc
Will post results and probably edit the OP like 13 times before its done.
I POSTED THIS TEK A COUPLE DAYS PREMATURELY BECAUSE I SEEN A NOOBS POST WITH A SILLY RECIPE AND THOUGHT I JUST JUMP IN HEAD FIRST. LOL
Keep me out of the gallows please!!!
The more tips from trusted cultivators are always welcomed to refine the process. No big ego junkie here so please send input folks.
Once I get the max water capacity of PP oats i will be adjust the Tek recipies accordingly like one 70,80,90% capacities.
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:40 AM)
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: YogiBear]
#26360725 - 12/04/19 09:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like it!
I got a few questions tho if you donβt mind...
What is PP?
Also what does the % of hydration affect? Colonize times?
I thought myc didnβt need much water to grow, I usually add almost a cup of water to each jar and thought that would be enough?
Thanks dude, nice write up, excited to see it evolve!
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: ComebackKid]
#26360732 - 12/04/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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CBK
I did test with super hot tap water and soak times and weights measurements and 2 minute soak give right at 75g of water ito the grains and 325g of dry oats and a 10 minute soak and they took up like 90g of water
325g oats with 2 minutes soak = 75g of water up take 325g oats with 10 minute soak = 90g of water up take
I originally had a 10 minute soak but seeing that 8 minutes got me an extra 15g of water I opted for the shorter soak.
If you and other trusted cultivator think there should be a minimum soak of like 15 min of hot tap water then I can work that into the tek πππ
I just want to the tek format like
Weigh grain Soak in jar Rinse Adjust water amount PC
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:39 AM)
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: san pedro guy]
#26360743 - 12/04/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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san pedro guy said: I like it!
I got a few questions tho if you donβt mind...
What is PP?
Also what does the % of hydration affect? Colonize times?
I thought myc didnβt need much water to grow, I usually add almost a cup of water to each jar and thought that would be enough?
Thanks dude, nice write up, excited to see it evolve!
PP = Producers Pride Whole Oats from Tractor Supply Company ($15 50lbs)
I am working on a batch of grain right now to see just how much water these grains will hold. Once I find the max water retention I will post recipies with different percentags so people can experiment.
I will have my numbers later tonight and make a post with results ππ
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:40 AM)
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: YogiBear]
#26360884 - 12/04/19 11:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey at the end of the day you cant argue results!! If it's working for you then it's working. Just had a few concerns that's all
How long did it take you to find the perfect amount of water?
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: ComebackKid]
#26361001 - 12/04/19 12:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me, my pc only fits 2 quart jars. So I did 2 variances each cycle. After 3 cycles (6 variances) I had it down.
I recorded it in my journal but stopped once I figured it out. Was going to write a tek but like 3 people already beat me to it
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: san pedro guy]
#26361068 - 12/04/19 01:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard from more than a couple people that these producer's pride oats don't work they always contaminate. If they work with a no soak tek it only goes to show there's some operator error along the line
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26361169 - 12/04/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've been Producer's Pride since July with an Instant Pot and have had only 2 contams that were most likely my fault since it was always only 1 jar out of 4 (in quarts) and 1 out of 8 (with 1/2 pints). I've made over 100 spawn jars in my Instant pot and had 3 contams (including the two oats, other was rye berries), but again had to be me. I used PP after reading your tek.
I grabbed a Presto during that nice ass sale Amazon just had. Got the induction one so I could choose standard or induction burners if needed.
I don't soak or rinse. Just boil for 30min so that the inside is still a little dry, drain for 10 min, then PC. The PCing finishes up the middle of the grain - I don't cover with foil either any more.
Might try this tek out at least once just to cut out 40 minutes.
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: ComebackKid]
#26361201 - 12/04/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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ComebackKid said: Hey at the end of the day you cant argue results!! If it's working for you then it's working. Just had a few concerns that's all
How long did it take you to find the perfect amount of water?
About 3 runs in the PC at different ratios. So like 21 tests to find what I was looking for (7 quart jar test at a time)
My findings using this Tek is that 40% of oats to water ratio is a safe max hydration ratio to use and just drop water from there to get desired moisture levels.
See chart below.
I would say intuition guided me to 300g oats to 100g water as my high end and it looks like 260g of oats to 120g is about max so im going to say 275g oats to 110g water is the max you can get these oats to hold without getting burst grains in the bottom of the jars after the PC cycle.
This chart will be added to the Tek shortly so people can fine tune what works for them based on amount of grain desired and moisture levels needed whether its being used for g2g or a2g or lc2g.
2/3 FULL - PER QUART JAR 80% 275g oats : 101g water 75% 275g : 93g * * * 70% 275g : 86g * * * 65% 275g : 80g 60% 275g : 74g 55% 275g : 68g
3 CUPS - PER QUART JAR 80% 320g : 115g 75% 320g : 108g * * * 70% 320g : 100g * * * 65% 320g : 93g 60% 320g : 87g 55% 320g : 79g 50% 320g : 72g
300 GRAMS OF GRAIN - PER QUART JAR 80% 300g : 108g 75% 300g : 101g * * * 70% 300g : 94g * * * 60% 300g : 81g 55% 300g : 74g 50% 300g : 67g
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:41 AM)
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Precise Moisture Grain Tek (OATS) β€οΈπππ [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26361301 - 12/04/19 03:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I've heard from more than a couple people that these producer's pride oats don't work they always contaminate. If they work with a no soak tek it only goes to show there's some operator error along the line
Hhhmmmm always room for operator error I guess.
What oats have you heard of giving the best success over PP?
Edited by YogiBear (12/08/19 04:41 AM)
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: YogiBear]
#26361306 - 12/04/19 03:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Any but I've seen a lot of complaints about PP oats
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26361328 - 12/04/19 03:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Any but I've seen a lot of complaints about PP oats
Probably because its a common brand name and some people just have problem with oats in general
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Re: Quick Oat Grain Jars (No Soak or Simmer) [Re: ComebackKid] 1
#26361410 - 12/04/19 04:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Iβve tried several brands. I kind of feel you really canβt go wrong with oats. They can take a beating. I prefer wbs as colonization speeds are lightning, but oat prep is too easy. And I donβt get wbs between my toes.
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