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Vibe_Enthusiast said: But when we trip.. we pretty much are schizo.
I've been there and it's nothing the same.
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26357449 - 12/02/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Been eating anywhere from 5-15g every week to 2 weeks for the last year. Started with 7.5g then bumped up to 10g with some weeks "up to" 15g. That dose regime lasted for some months, with every week especially, which tapered off to every other week for a bit. (but still usually every week.)
After a really hard one that caught me off guard, I recently have just tried to have a decent 'medium' go every weekend now the last 3 months or so... Mainly just relax and enjoy some fantasy or syfy and with 7.5s. Last heavier one since the big kahuna surprise, was a 12g tea after not eating for 36hrs, 2 months ago or so. Through all this time, feel pretty normal. I get deja vu like flashes, but with a trip. So like, be washing dishes and letting thoughts run and a memory of a trip pops up and I giggle... Had 1 dream in which I was feeling like I was tripping... Other than that, normal function for day to day activities.
Anywho, basically tldr; Going pretty much every week for a over year, started real hard, going chill now. Also, don't drink or anything else. (excluding marijuana.) Feeling pretty sane over all without any negative effects on keeping active in everyday life.
Edit: As for folk who say they don't see how some one does more than like couple goes a year... In my perception, I can't see how anyone can get drunk at all... or smoke tobacco... Perception is a funny thing.
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#26357619 - 12/02/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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Vibe_Enthusiast said: But when we trip.. we pretty much are schizo.
I've been there and it's nothing the same.
What do you mean? I know they aren't hand in hand. But I believe that they do share some characteristics.
"a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation"
But then again.. in a sense we know we're going to snap out of it and have induced this ourselves. Idk. Curious on your input as well.
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The similarities involve enhanced synchronicities, emotional amplification, and difficulty accomplishing complex tasks. The differences are you feel renewed with mushrooms both during and afterwards but with schizophrenia there is no afterwards and during is just mostly unsettling, constantly - like things don't work right but the way they don't work right is beyond your control. With mushrooms things work differently and you can control it. IME anyway. 
I would take mushrooms again in a heartbeat. I would take schizophrenia again fucking never.
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26357971 - 12/02/19 08:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I know what you're saying. I'm not one to really say because I've never experienced something of such where I can have a comparison & I'm not trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about when it comes to actually having schizophrenia. Now.. on the other hand.. I've had extremely difficult trips that have lead me to believing I have went completely psychotic. The only thing that I have taken from that trip that was rewarding, was how much I cherish my sanity. How beautiful a sober mind is. Kinda steered me south of mushrooms.
Just have read symptoms of schizophrenia that have matched with exactly what I felt during my horrible experience & have listened to so many podcasts & have ready so many articles about mushrooms breaking someone with underlying schizophrenia. And I can completely see why. Ever since then I kind of believe at certain points.. you do become a delusion.. idk it's a rabbit hole discussion haha. Just picking at your brain because you have experienced both. No disrespect in comparing the two.
I will take mushrooms again.. but I would never want to experince that again. Since then, haven't taken them since.
Also have read articles about people with people diagnosed with schizophrenia being fine. I'm just a curious cat. Can't wait until a few more years down the road. So much more research will surface. I do see big things coming in the future(optimistic)
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I've had extremely difficult trips that have lead me to believing I have went completely psychotic.
A heavy trip can put you into a temporary state resembling psychosis, certainly.
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Psychosis is an abnormal condition of the mind that results in difficulties determining what is real and what is not. Symptoms may include false beliefs (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that others do not see or hear (hallucinations). Other symptoms may include incoherent speech and behavior that is inappropriate for the situation.
The mindfuck of shrooms is similar to descriptions of thought disorder which is a symptom of schizophrenia, but I think the mindfuck and insanity on high doses of mushrooms is more closely related to symptoms of mania than schizophrenia. Euphoria, 'flight of ideas' and delusions can be features of mania which are also commonly experienced on high doses of mushrooms.
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Eugen Bleuler, who named schizophrenia, held that thought disorder was its defining characteristic. However, formal thought disorder is not unique to schizophrenia or psychosis. It is often a symptom of mania.
Occasionally I see posts (typically asking for advice) where someone has a friend who has "not come down" several days after a trip and they are still acting weird - I think when this happens they are having some type of manic episode.
I think there is a kind of spectrum with depression at one end and mania at the other - to me it feels like mushrooms can temporarily put you into a heightened state of arousal resembling mania at higher doses. It's just part of the trip and can be very exciting and pleasurable... although it can be somewhat mentally exhausting. To be delusional can be quite frightening and can make you feel that you have "gone insane" but I do like trips which are slightly delusional because it makes everything seem more real - like you have genuinely made contact with aliens or felt the presence of God.
I've always liked the thought disorder page on wikipedia because the list of symptoms is amusing and reminds me of tripping - below is an example: 
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Tangentiality – Wandering from the topic and never returning to it or providing the information requested. e.g. in answer to the question "Where are you from?", a response "My dog is from England. They have good fish and chips there. Fish breathe through gills."

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Vibe_Enthusiast said: Now.. on the other hand.. I've had extremely difficult trips that have lead me to believing I have went completely psychotic.
Oh yeah I get those too on occasion.
Once I realize why it's happening ("you're had mushrooms and you're tripping!") they ususally become enjoyable. But without knowing why though (it happens) they can be terrifying ("I've broken my head and I'll be this way forever.")
At the time it's totally real and it makes no sense. 
With schizophrenia it doesn't wear off after a few hours. Mine wasn't underlying or anything, it was caused by a brain concussion. Although I gained some super-powers, which was interesting, and learned a lot of shit about how things work under the surface, it messed me up completely at the time.
Mushrooms were able to fix the long term damage from the concussion, a number of people noticed this and commented on it.
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26358434 - 12/03/19 05:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Aldebaran -
that's what happens to me when I read things of such. That's why when I had that hard experience I was reading up on mental illnesses & whatnot. Because what I experienced matched completely with what most people would consider insanity. But I always try and understand what's going on in the brain. I just like learning about things. Also, the time loop I was in literally felt forever. I was more than sure I was either dead or in some type of dream. It was a beautiful tragedy. Because I did take a huge lesson out of it.. but that lesson was like sitting on the stove burner
Most of my trips do become pretty delusional at some point.. but theyre mostly therapeutic for the most part other than scary. But then you get that one, that really almost 'breaks' you. And that was my last one. But, it didn't break me.. just left a huge dent
@PrimalSoup - Dude I know. I literally thought I did it on my last one, which is why i cherish sanity so much at the moment. Which is why I haven't tripped lately. A lot of people take a normal functioning brain for granted.
I'm glad you're doing better though. The psychedelic experience is something so much more than can ever be read in an article or justified by any type of reasoning. It's a magic that none of us understand to its full potential.. but we know it offers extreme therapeutic sessions for anyone who's willing to listen & let go. Good or bad. Both rewarding in the end.
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Wow. I’m thankful you all shared your experiences. I really don’t think mushrooms or any psychs will really make you go “crazy” in any kind of lasting way.
And isn’t that part of the point? To be outside of your normality, pushing the envelope of what your mind can comprehend. Then to be absolutely grateful when reality comes again. I really think this is the core of most heavy experiences.
I’ve had some times while on shrooms where I thought I was crazy but like VE said, as soon as I realize what’s happening it certainly gets better.
Ya I don’t think every weekend is too much. I think it’s just what I need right now. So I’m gonna keep it up till the mushroom overlords tell me not to lol
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
#26358526 - 12/03/19 06:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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most of us won't but some of us most likely will. probably more prevalent with LSD use. after reading all these threads last night tripping I got worried, but I woke up this morning after a few hours rest and the world is very much not trippy anymore... bummer
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
#26358539 - 12/03/19 06:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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every personality carry's evil an I can counter culture whose who in where they belong or what needs be to extreme to produce as many suggest its real how you stand.
i see to not fall and be proud of my past and future drug use for mushrooms very equal to know they grow from soil!
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JustAnotherFreak said: every personality carry's evil an I can counter culture whose who in where they belong or what needs be to extreme to produce as many suggest its real how you stand.
i see to not fall and be proud of my past and future drug use for mushrooms very equal to know they grow from soil!
err what?
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: 330ci]
#26358554 - 12/03/19 06:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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330ci said: most of us won't but some of us most likely will. probably more prevalent with LSD use. after reading all these threads last night tripping I got worried, but I woke up this morning after a few hours rest and the world is very much not trippy anymore... bummer
Oh man that was not my intention by starting this thread!? I hope I didn’t ruin the night too much for you! I have definitely been there. Said to myself “well let’s TRY to sleep this off and see if everything is normal in the morning”
Ya I feel like synthetic drugs have issues with how they interact with the body(absolutely no scientific backing just my personal thoughts) That’s why some of the most valued drugs and altered states come from plants. With very little negatives for the subjects. Human kind has experimented with plants for thousands of years and we have only recently found LSD
I’m not discrediting synthetic drug use. I’ve heard many amazing and beautiful stories come out of LSD and other synthetics. I just think there can be more issues with something that has been changed from its original form than just leaving it alone and enjoying it
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh] 1
#26358562 - 12/03/19 06:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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SocalJosh said: Wow. I’m thankful you all shared your experiences. I really don’t think mushrooms or any psychs will really make you go “crazy” in any kind of lasting way.
And isn’t that part of the point? To be outside of your normality, pushing the envelope of what your mind can comprehend. Then to be absolutely grateful when reality comes again. I really think this is the core of most heavy experiences.
I’ve had some times while on shrooms where I thought I was crazy but like VE said, as soon as I realize what’s happening it certainly gets better.
Ya I don’t think every weekend is too much. I think it’s just what I need right now. So I’m gonna keep it up till the mushroom overlords tell me not to lol
Not in a sense. But like @Aldebaran said in a different thread.. it's not thinking you were God that makes you crazy, believing you are God to a full maximum day in and day out after the trip is when things start to become on the "crazy" part haha.
I guess it's all on how you handle things and can justify your experiences. These are mindblowing experiences though.. those breakthrough doses. Not saying it happens on a regular basis.. but I'm sure there's peoples out there preaching they're God because they had a huge experience.
And then we just kinda sit there like.. okay bud.. lay off the psyches
I've taken mushrooms over two dozen times. My last one is really when I thought I broke my brain. But I'm about 2 months since that experience and my peanut is still functioning well! (Maybe that's objective )
Nice taking a little break and enjoying the sober mind I was begging for during that episode I was having. We all learn lessons, even when you believe you've finally cracked the peanut
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
#26358577 - 12/03/19 07:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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lmfao no I had a great trip, but I have been working on "thinking things into existence" so to speak. waking up and telling myself I'm happy to reaffirm emotions and feelings and shit to maintain a more positive outlook on life. then I was thinking about hppd and perma tripping and started worrying I was going to think it into existence... ah the minds a terrible thing to waste. always interesting waking up to the scenery that was so much different when you saw it the night before. I didn't plan on tripping so much on vacation, but I can't help myself with floridas natural beauty.
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: 330ci]
#26358585 - 12/03/19 07:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's a bitter sweet feeling when you're looking at something that was absolutely mindfucking you during an experience.. then waking up the next day and not looking at that thing the same anymore. Or wishing it was giving you that feeling that you had that night.
This is a huge thing with me and clouds. I LOVE the sky.. but when I take mushrooms.. I could CLOUD WATCH THE WHOLE TIME. Clouds are so majestic.. espically when they turn to rainbow geometric smoke and dance for you. Ah man, that's the most disappointing part when I wake up the next day and go to cloud gaze and they've lost their 'spark'.
Still beautiful. But not what it was a few hours back
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theres like a forest in the back yard and i've been sleeping on this outdoor bed under the awning and looking at all the trees and stuff morph into the night. looking through the bug netting at everything under moonlight has been giving me some amazing visuals and chill vibes with music playing through it all and the sounds of nature. Clouds, trees, flowers, animals. i am much more awestruck by just about everything. I do notice I have a greater appreciation for these things now than I did prior to tripping overall though. I never stopped to look at trees and smell flowers before. I get that pleasure now. sometimes it's just nice to sit back and admire the world we live in.
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: 330ci]
#26358649 - 12/03/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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330ci said: theres like a forest in the back yard and i've been sleeping on this outdoor bed under the awning and looking at all the trees and stuff morph into the night. looking through the bug netting at everything under moonlight has been giving me some amazing visuals and chill vibes with music playing through it all and the sounds of nature. Clouds, trees, flowers, animals. i am much more awestruck by just about everything. I do notice I have a greater appreciation for these things now than I did prior to tripping overall though. I never stopped to look at trees and smell flowers before. I get that pleasure now. sometimes it's just nice to sit back and admire the world we live in.
Dude absolutely. This is why I love my backpacking trips. I have a different type of appreciation for nature. The natural world. So nice not seeing cars, walls, screens.. just you and the sound of nature.
Couldn't agree with you more. Definitely like minded. Also, that spot you're staying at sounds magical. Milk that shit dude!!!
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took half tab yesterday so figured a full tab should do me good, hopefully I'm not too zonked around 3 blaaaaaaaaaast off
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: 330ci]
#26358661 - 12/03/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enjoy the wave buddy
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