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Pretty sure I have HPPD
    #26357337 - 12/02/19 02:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I have about 10 mins rn and I'm just gonna get what I've been feeling off my chest.

After discovering acid, I fell in love with it and tripped very often, culminating with a ~650ug trip last friday (10 days ago). Not knowing psilocybin and LSD have cross-tolerance, I did ~3g shrooms the next day. Ever since, I've had slight acid visuals that won't go away. If I look at something particularly bright and then look away, it lingers in my vision for just a little bit longer and more accurately than it did before I ever tripped. When I close my eyes, I can sometimes track patterns. This never happened before I tripped. A few days ago, I had scary nightmares and I could feel myself going to sleep by my fear increasing (not conducive to good sleep!) for a few nights, but thankfully these went away.

What convinced me I must still be tripping a little bit is that music is just too good. I've always been an audiophile, but holy shit I just can't stop listenting to music. The emotions it elicits are so positive, it's markedly different from anything I experienced before. I also feel like I really understand music in a new way, but that could just be my heightened enjoyment. Still, the way I listen is just different. I hear every low bass drum, and my brain gravitates towards the beats more than it did before. There is a clear difference.

I smoked a good amount of weed a few days ago, and my vision got somewhere it had never been before on weed. There was almost a gridlike pattern of flashing, and in between there were yellow dots. I'm not sure how to fully describe it.

I decided I won't trip anymore if my trip symptoms don't resolve, because I don't want to incapacitate my vision or thought or whatever. But I really hope I get to trip again, as I had some of the most enjoyable experiences of my life. Huge disappointment to me if I can't.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26357345 - 12/02/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Take some time off of everything, including cannabis, to reset. Get some sleep. Space things out more in the future and maybe back down your doses a little bit (650ug is huge) and you should be okay. HPPD is not well understood though, so tread carefully.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26357356 - 12/02/19 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's called afterglow, man. Once those doors got burst open they stay open for a while.

After a really strong trip, or several trips in a short time, it's totally normal to have slight visual and auditive distortions / hallucinations, lasting for several days up to several weeks.

Whenever I do acid, shrooms or dmt, I have mild persisting visuals for the rest of the week. Weed intensifies those effects a lot. Feels like I'm tripping again when I'm stoned.
Shadows keep dancing for days, and half closed but static doors seem to slowly open or close..
After a strong cactus or dmt trip I see swirling rainbow-like strokes whenever I blink my eyes.

Usually those effects fade after 5 to 7 days. Sometimes it stays longer.

Btw, 650mics is like 6 or 7 times the normal dose. Totally understandable that you still have visual effects, especially as you took a solid dose of shrooms the day after.
Time to take a rest and not trip for some weeks I guess. :smirk:

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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26357370 - 12/02/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I took Ayahuasca daily/near daily for 4 years, had a good sized handful of mushroom trips, 4-ACO-DMT trips, Psilohuasca trips, even had 25-D Nbome a few times, nothing ever gave me HPPD in terms of visuals until i tried LSD, LSD seems to cause HPPD primarily, other Psychedelics not so much apparently, i mean i'm sure they can but it seems pretty rare compared to LSD. Cannabis can definitely increase the trippy Psychedelic headspace and open eyed/closed eyed visuals. For awhile there anytime i'd smoke Cannabis it felt like i was coming up on DMT for a good while after my Aya experimentation, and i noticed if i took mushrooms/4-ACO-DMT or LSD it'd change the effects of the Cannabis around, particularly how things felt and how it felt while coming up. The HPPD from the LSD went away after a few good weeks or so though. If you wanna trip and not have HPPD, try mushrooms/4-ACO-DMT/Psilohuasca or Ayahuasca/oral DMT more.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26357379 - 12/02/19 02:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I took Ayahuasca daily/near daily for 4 years, had a good sized handful of mushroom trips, 4-ACO-DMT trips, Psilohuasca trips, even had 25-D Nbome a few times, nothing ever gave me HPPD in terms of visuals until i tried LSD, LSD seems to cause HPPD primarily, other Psychedelics not so much apparently, i mean i'm sure they can but it seems pretty rare compared to LSD. Cannabis can definitely increase the trippy Psychedelic headspace and open eyed/closed eyed visuals. For awhile there anytime i'd smoke Cannabis it felt like i was coming up on DMT for a good while after my Aya experimentation, and i noticed if i took mushrooms/4-ACO-DMT or LSD it'd change the effects of the Cannabis around, particularly how things felt and how it felt while coming up. The HPPD from the LSD went away after a few good weeks or so though. If you wanna trip and not have HPPD, try mushrooms/4-ACO-DMT/Psilohuasca or Ayahuasca/oral DMT more.



I'm fine with the effects I have now, they don't impede my life at all. What's scary to me is having slightly more severe effects that interfere with my headspace/vision and impede my endeavors in life. Not knowing when you'll be high is a scary thought.

Glad to hear they went away for you though. It's certainly weaker for me than it was the day following the mushroom trip but it's stayed pretty consistent for the past few days so I thought this might be where it plateaus.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Korean Jesus] * 1
    #26357430 - 12/02/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It’s definitely a tricky thing... how intense the “hppd” is (really dislike this word and way of describing this) will directly correlate with your psychedelic substance use including cannabis.

If you do want it to go away, or at least tone it down a bit, don’t panic and make it a source of anxiety, just stop your substance use and turn too plants that have gabaergic compounds (lemon balm, valeriana, chamomile...) and it’ll go away in no time. pharmaceuticals are a very last resort

I personally use cannabis daily so I pretty much have “hppd” all the time, it’s not like it keeps getting more intense at this point, it only gets too a certain point depending on my substance use.. I know the point I like it where I can explore it clear headed-ly and such and turn it up/tone it down by myself not depending on the substances where it doesn’t impede my life and visa versa

It is something that should be talked about more often i feel. These substances are potent and powerful and change you and your perceptions of yourself and reality if you allow them too, those characteristics should be acknowledged and respected by anyone who’s going too use them. I mean, that’s the point of me using them personally


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: The lurker]
    #26357447 - 12/02/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I personally use cannabis daily so I pretty much have “hppd” all the time, it’s not like it keeps getting more intense at this point, it only gets too a certain point depending on my substance use.. I know the point I like it where I can explore it clear headed-ly and such and turn it up/tone it down by myself not depending on the substances where it doesn’t impede my life and visa versa





Interesting. So you get the pyschedelic effects using only weed, or do you periodically still use pyschs?

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It is something that should be talked about more often i feel. These substances are potent and powerful and change you and your perceptions of yourself and reality if you allow them too, those characteristics should be acknowledged and respected by anyone who’s going too use them. I mean, that’s the point of me using them personally




Completely agree. I saw nothing online to suggest that I might still feel the effects over a week later other than the occasional description of (permanent) HPPD. Definitely feel more at ease after hearing from y'all.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26357461 - 12/02/19 03:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I also have HPPD from the first time I dropped LSD :shrug: it won't go away but I'm used to it. I only notice the patterns before the sleep


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26357463 - 12/02/19 03:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I get it with just cannabis but I periodically use psychs as well, mostly mushrooms and mostly microdosing but frequent lsd + cannabis use at a young age is what made it apparent originally

It can also be attained from other things besides drugs..yoga practices..meditation practices..you name it

Yeah I totally feel that. It’s mainly because not many people including myself are very good at describing what it is, and don’t want too either make people worried and cause bad experiences or say something that’s not true. Not saying that’s right or anything just saying

Personally i don’t believe it has anything too the specific substance at hand granted it effects the right receptors, rather, I think it has much more too do with how a certain set of substances effect a certain set of receptors in the brain, many more substances than people give credit too have some sort of slight psychedelic effect at the very least.

So my point is I think it’s what the substances allow you too do with your mind, instead of it being some uncontrollable, physical thing caused by a certain substance

Let me get one thing very clear though, it’s much more, much deeper than feeling the effects from whatever substance you took a week later. The only thing that substance will do is give what you’re calling hppd a different flavor.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: grati]
    #26357480 - 12/02/19 04:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I also have HPPD from the first time I dropped LSD :shrug: it won't go away but I'm used to it. I only notice the patterns before the sleep




Did it become more apparent with repeated psychedelic use?


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26357487 - 12/02/19 04:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I also have HPPD from the first time I dropped LSD :shrug: it won't go away but I'm used to it. I only notice the patterns before the sleep




Did it become more apparent with repeated psychedelic use?



No


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: grati]
    #26357494 - 12/02/19 04:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I agree on LSD leading to HPPD more frequently than the other psychedelics. This doesn’t mean it will. I’ve noticed lingering effects after relatively big doses of acid, most of which have been pleasant and fade over the course of a month or two.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: CountHTML]
    #26357506 - 12/02/19 04:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Lsd lasts a long fucking time, it makes sense to me for that reason it would have a higher tendency towards “hppd”


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: The lurker]
    #26357510 - 12/02/19 04:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, it really does. I was still tripping (comparable to a ~450ug trip) 18 hours after I dosed 650-675. Didn't end till I slept.

(and yes, I'm sure it was real acid)


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: CountHTML]
    #26357521 - 12/02/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I agree on LSD leading to HPPD more frequently than the other psychedelics. This doesn’t mean it will. I’ve noticed lingering effects after relatively big doses of acid, most of which have been pleasant and fade over the course of a month or two.



2 years later I'm still waiting to go away :lol:


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: grati]
    #26357785 - 12/02/19 07:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I thought I did this after taking over a MG, life will resort back to normal just gotta give it some time. Afterglowing is just part of the game.


they do say a good trip lasts a lifetime though


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: 330ci]
    #26358028 - 12/02/19 09:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I’ve noticed lingering effects after relatively big doses of acid, most of which have been pleasant and fade over the course of a month or two.




It's all statistics, so you could be that 1% or whatever that gets HPPD, but this right here is the case 99% of the time.  Not stressing your body and mind will help.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26358089 - 12/02/19 10:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Like the majority seem to be suggesting, take a break, exercise a bit more (take it easy when you start out) and eat healthier, burning off some stuff and rebuilding with good food (especially green veggies) will make you better.

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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Nekai]
    #26358146 - 12/02/19 11:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I lift a decent amount and I find it easier to work out right now honestly. The "afterglow" seems to have uninhibited me a little bit in a way similar to alcohol, working my muscles hard doesn't bother me as much as it did before and I can lift to failure more easily. I looked it up but I couldn't find any account similar to mine.

Maybe it's just placebo.


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Re: Pretty sure I have HPPD [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26358393 - 12/03/19 05:08 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

After using a lot of DMT and LSD I had quite intense HPPD for some months. Grid like patterns would appear over everything, orbs would float in my vision when I close my eyes, tracers would suddenly become very intense from time to time. Though it was never more than a curiosity, it never bothered me.

Many accounts I read of where it continues to persist involves cannabis though. It seems to trigger it.


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