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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD] 1
#26359072 - 12/03/19 01:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Everyone was more helpful and way less aggro than you in your own thread so calm down bro.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: trubblesome]
#26359079 - 12/03/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trubblesome said: heat and humidify the tent to a normal level and use the tubs as they're supposed to be used with the lids on the way the tek you're following describes...then you have a place in your house that has consistent humidity and temperature and you can dial in the tubs easier and have results you can consistently replicate.
Thank you. Cold doesn’t scare me. Just stalls growth right? My problem is it being too hot. So I use a small ac unit for that room only. The whole concept here is just as you describe. Easier to maintain an environment in the tent than the whole house. I had no intention on using a tent. Conditions are leaving me to believe it’s the best option for the season. For example: I can get the room to perfect conditions. Except the ac small ac unit is blowing high pressure in the room. I noticed my mushies on the last monotub were pointing all over the place. Instead of standing straight up. Also only pinned in the corners. Too much air flow I presume. Needed protection and the tent came into play.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: feldman114]
#26359092 - 12/03/19 01:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said: Holy salt, what’s with all the bitching? Calm your tits, tuts.
A tub basically acts as a miniature tent. Tents keep conditions stable, but so do tubs. Tents take a lot of tinkering and dialing in...but so does a no-maintenance monotub. If you can make one work, the other shouldn’t be a challenge. But you can’t, so stop being so salty 🤷🏻♂️
I have made monotubs work. Season has changed... new set of problems. Not as easy as it was one month ago.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359121 - 12/03/19 01:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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BorisTBD said:
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feldman114 said: Holy salt, what’s with all the bitching? Calm your tits, tuts.
A tub basically acts as a miniature tent. Tents keep conditions stable, but so do tubs. Tents take a lot of tinkering and dialing in...but so does a no-maintenance monotub. If you can make one work, the other shouldn’t be a challenge. But you can’t, so stop being so salty 🤷🏻♂️
I have made monotubs work. Season has changed... new set of problems. Not as easy as it was one month ago.
Yeah, that’s where the dialing-in part comes in. Cause guess what - seasons change for other people too. For example, I use more MP tape during winter months cause humidity is low. But in the Summer, I use a higher spawn ratio cause high temps invite contams faster.
Fiddle with it until it works all year round. It’s the easiest route...deff compared to growing in a tent🤷🏻♂️
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
#26359129 - 12/03/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: feldman114]
#26359133 - 12/03/19 01:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya dude I'm just gonna ignore the rants you handed out and just say this: theres no reason a monotub cant work for you, bottom of the fucking line.
I think what they're saying is if you cant get a monotub to work you more than likely will fail at the Martha as well.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359188 - 12/03/19 02:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grimsweeper said: I'd try not to be so offended by people not reading every word of your post, it's a fucking wall. After a couple sentences you'll lose most people.
I'm a fairly "experienced grower" and I run 2 Martha's 24/7. My experience can tell you that Martha's are a big PITA but 'mostly' necessary for exotics. It's far easier to fuck up a cubensis grow in a Martha then it is in a tub. Tubs and shoeboxes work like magic, Martha's are a lot of work.
Thank you thank you. You the mans im looking for. Any links to some Martha info? Por favor. This morning I did some good reading and I think I’m understanding that humidifiers provide FAE? I thought it was for humidity. I see people using ultra Sonics for air exchange. Me no understand? Also I been using tap water. Which created this white smoke that was musty and not fresh. Could this be causing issues?
I’m now leaning more towards two desk fans circulating air in the room and hopefully that keeps it cool enough below 85, with a humidifier running periodically. Sort of turning this room into a big tent. Leaving the ac unit off. The ac unit creates a lot of pressure in the room.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: feldman114]
#26359241 - 12/03/19 02:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I appreciate that last post feldman114, So using a higher spawn ratio lowers the risk of contam. Good to know. I use very high ratios so probably the reason my tent isn’t a mold factory yet...
So far my best pin sets are using the tent. And also in these 15qt shoeboxes. Maybe it’s the season for shoeboxes? My monotubs suck.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359248 - 12/03/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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don't put tap water in an ultrasonic humidifier or yeah, you'll get that white dust everywhere, that's the minerals in the water. not great to breathe that shit in.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359252 - 12/03/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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BorisTBD said: I appreciate that last post feldman114, So using a higher spawn ratio lowers the risk of contam. Good to know. I use very high ratios so probably the reason my tent isn’t a mold factory yet...
So far my best pin sets are using the tent. And also in these 15qt shoeboxes. Maybe it’s the season for shoeboxes? My monotubs suck.
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alaskappalachian said: For what it's worth, I live in Alaska in an unfinished house, and my temps can be 50 when I wake up, and up to 80 when the fire is roaring. The only non-standard modification I've made is using a mono to fruit cakes (due to the woodstove). My monos and shoeboxes still require virtually zero upkeep thanks to prepping my sub propperly. While I agree that tact can fluctuate here in the Cult, it doesn't serve to discount the advice we all come here for. Bod's analogy was spot on. Nothing wrong with a tent, but as my conditions illustrate, it's simply not necissary; and isn't helping you dial in your tubs. No reason to mist that much. It's contrary to logic.
Perhaps I’m misting when the substrate doesn’t need it. If it looks dry I mist it. If there are no water beads I mist it. But when I mist I can hear how wet the top layer is. Could it just look dry but not actually need a misting?
80 would be ok with me but I’m getting at 85 and sits for hours. Maybe I’m just paranoid about the contams but my spawn ratio may be helping with that? Should I just ignore the high temp and focus more on air exchange?
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: trubblesome]
#26359276 - 12/03/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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trubblesome said: don't put tap water in an ultrasonic humidifier or yeah, you'll get that white dust everywhere, that's the minerals in the water. not great to breathe that shit in.
I been breathing it in slightly when I open the tent...
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359297 - 12/03/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah don't do that. you gotta be using distilled or reverse osmosis shit.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: trubblesome]
#26359335 - 12/03/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So not even purified water?
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359346 - 12/03/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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if it's a demineralizing filter yeah that's fine. I use RO water myself because I'm using it for my plants anyway. but in addition to spitting that white dust out the mineral deposits in the humidifier can feed mold and bacteria in the tank. make sure you're sanitizing the tank and reservoir of your humidifier weekly.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: trubblesome]
#26359362 - 12/03/19 03:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359570 - 12/03/19 04:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use tap water. Search "Jartha". It's dialed in for pans but it's a good design.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26359833 - 12/03/19 07:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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alaskappalachian said: For what it's worth, I live in Alaska in an unfinished house, and my temps can be 50 when I wake up, and up to 80 when the fire is roaring. The only non-standard modification I've made is using a mono to fruit cakes (due to the woodstove). My monos and shoeboxes still require virtually zero upkeep thanks to prepping my sub propperly. While I agree that tact can fluctuate here in the Cult, it doesn't serve to discount the advice we all come here for. Bod's analogy was spot on. Nothing wrong with a tent, but as my conditions illustrate, it's simply not necissary; and isn't helping you dial in your tubs. No reason to mist that much. It's contrary to logic.
Perhaps I’m misting when the substrate doesn’t need it. If it looks dry I mist it. If there are no water beads I mist it. But when I mist I can hear how wet the top layer is. Could it just look dry but not actually need a misting?
80 would be ok with me but I’m getting at 85 and sits for hours. Maybe I’m just paranoid about the contams but my spawn ratio may be helping with that? Should I just ignore the high temp and focus more on air exchange?
I have terrible lighting in here (tres dungeonique...), so I check surface conditions with a LED flashlight (helps me see the surface much, much better than regular overhead lighting). Can be deceptive, although that might be irrelevant for you. It just all comes down to getting your sub repped right and engineering your tubs correctly. You're difinately misting too much, but that doesn't mean your tubs aren't too dry either. Just means something's not right. Twenty years ago when I grew it was an experimental nightmare... and I did a lot of outdoor beds anyway becasue conditions in the Carolinas were much more conducive. Now I live by the updated advice/specs provided on here (Bod's teks have helped me get back up-to-date at a very satisfying pace. The only "experimental" modification I've made was tossing the SGFC because I am comfortable enough with observing surface conditions to know how/why I was getting fucked over. I wouldn't worry too much if- as you say- the temps hold at 80+ for an hour or two a day. I prefer cold to hot, by far. Set your thermostat lower and deal with lower lows maybe? Also- I'm terrible at judging by photos- but your layer of sub looks a bit thin... Best of luck, bud.
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alaskappalachian said: For what it's worth, I live in Alaska in an unfinished house, and my temps can be 50 when I wake up, and up to 80 when the fire is roaring. The only non-standard modification I've made is using a mono to fruit cakes (due to the woodstove). My monos and shoeboxes still require virtually zero upkeep thanks to prepping my sub propperly. While I agree that tact can fluctuate here in the Cult, it doesn't serve to discount the advice we all come here for. Bod's analogy was spot on. Nothing wrong with a tent, but as my conditions illustrate, it's simply not necissary; and isn't helping you dial in your tubs. No reason to mist that much. It's contrary to logic.
Perhaps I’m misting when the substrate doesn’t need it. If it looks dry I mist it. If there are no water beads I mist it. But when I mist I can hear how wet the top layer is. Could it just look dry but not actually need a misting?
80 would be ok with me but I’m getting at 85 and sits for hours. Maybe I’m just paranoid about the contams but my spawn ratio may be helping with that? Should I just ignore the high temp and focus more on air exchange?
I have terrible lighting in here (tres dungeonique...), so I check surface conditions with a LED flashlight (helps me see the surface much, much better than regular overhead lighting). Can be deceptive, although that might be irrelevant for you. It just all comes down to getting your sub repped right and engineering your tubs correctly. You're difinately misting too much, but that doesn't mean your tubs aren't too dry either. Just means something's not right. Twenty years ago when I grew it was an experimental nightmare... and I did a lot of outdoor beds anyway becasue conditions in the Carolinas were much more conducive. Now I live by the updated advice/specs provided on here (Bod's teks have helped me get back up-to-date at a very satisfying pace. The only "experimental" modification I've made was tossing the SGFC because I am comfortable enough with observing surface conditions to know how/why I was getting fucked over. I wouldn't worry too much if- as you say- the temps hold at 80+ for an hour or two a day. I prefer cold to hot, by far. Set your thermostat lower and deal with lower lows maybe? Also- I'm terrible at judging by photos- but your layer of sub looks a bit thin... Best of luck, bud. 
Thank you for your responses. Ya, bods teks are the only ones I follow and have had great success. Trying to find the perfect balance is tough. I know your right about me misting too much. Within these last 3 days I stopped misting one of my tubs. I was misting this specific spot that was not colonizing. Stopped for 3 days and now seems to be coming thru. Not sure what the science is behind this. Seems the water was suppressing the mycelium.
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Re: Cultivation in a tent. 😬 (moved) [Re: BorisTBD]
#26361320 - 12/04/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Overmisting and over hydrated substrates are far more detrimental than being on the dry side imo
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