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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
    #26359426 - 12/03/19 03:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's a moot point as long as the minority opinion doesn't get their shit pushed in by the majority. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: mycosis]
    #26360175 - 12/03/19 10:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The more power over more people you give individual the worse. I.e. federal politicians are more corruptible and their corruption effects more people. Giving more power to local authorities reduces the power of corruption and forces said corrupting elements to try and corrupt more and more people vs only have to corrupt a few senators/etc.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #26360352 - 12/04/19 02:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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mycosis said:
Is it?

You don't prefer a system that strengthens minority rights?




A minority should have the same rights as the majority. Nobody deserves extra or less electoral power. We shouldn’t have affirmative action for voters in small states.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: dreamachine]
    #26360354 - 12/04/19 02:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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dreamachine said:
The more power over more people you give individual the worse. I.e. federal politicians are more corruptible and their corruption effects more people. Giving more power to local authorities reduces the power of corruption and forces said corrupting elements to try and corrupt more and more people vs only have to corrupt a few senators/etc.




That is the opposite of the truth. Political corruption is much worse on a local and state level than the federal level.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: dreamachine] * 4
    #26360556 - 12/04/19 07:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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dreamachine said:

The federal government should be all but eradicated. They should leave all lawmaking up to the states and they should only focus on defending the border and assisting in inter-state affairs. Otherwise I say they have no business in policing the states, that should be done by the states themselves.





This is easy to say (and imagine) when one lives in a small state, a small island state, which makes interstate commerce on a personal level impossible unless we're talking about mail order items. 

Meaning, you can't drive 50 miles to a neighboring state and purchase 125 handguns to arm your white ethnostate militia.  Arming your militia is easy in that other state because its legislators have enacted a law which makes it legal to buy up to 1000 handguns at one time with no background check, waiting period, or special firearms license.

Or, you can't drive 300 miles to a neighboring state in order for your GF to get an abortion because the state you live in is governed by pseudo-Christians...Xtians who made it a murder charge to get a medical procedure which removes a parasite growing in your significant other's womb, a parasite which you two can't afford to grow into a human after nine months of it robbing your GF of nutrients.

Hyperbole can be fun, eh? :lol:

A nation as large as the USA needs at least some federal laws which supersede state laws. IMO


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: mycosis] * 2
    #26360655 - 12/04/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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mycosis said:
Is it?

You don't prefer a system that strengthens minority rights?




In a direct democracy whites are the minority. Hence the constant pants shitting about birth rates and immigration.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26360672 - 12/04/19 09:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
There is no reason why a state like Wyoming should have as much of a legislative say in federal policy, with a population smaller than most major cities, as a state like California.

Sounds like somebody just realized that most of the states are red and doesn't like it. the electoral college prevents the two biggest cesspools (CA,NY) from controlling our elections and I'm completely okay with it.


Like the electoral college, the Senate is an archaic creation of the white landowner class that our Constitution was created to protect, and must be abolished.


If you disagree, explain yourself.




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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: 1uptoadstool] * 1
    #26360685 - 12/04/19 09:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Giving local governments power is how you get speed trap towns, but bigger.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Kryptos]
    #26362073 - 12/05/19 12:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: dreamachine]
    #26362219 - 12/05/19 04:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As suspected y'all just hating on the Senate because your impeachment dreams will die there as opposed to actually wanting to debate the need for Senate and the electoral college.

Butthurt that's all you are.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: relic]
    #26362236 - 12/05/19 05:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Sugabearcrisp said:
As suspected y'all just hating on the Senate because your impeachment dreams will die there as opposed to actually wanting to debate the need for Senate and the electoral college.

Butthurt that's all you are.




It may not be the case for everybody, but for most people I've chatted with on this topic, this does appear to be the case lol.


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relic said:
Quote:

dreamachine said:

The federal government should be all but eradicated. They should leave all lawmaking up to the states and they should only focus on defending the border and assisting in inter-state affairs. Otherwise I say they have no business in policing the states, that should be done by the states themselves.





This is easy to say (and imagine) when one lives in a small state, a small island state, which makes interstate commerce on a personal level impossible unless we're talking about mail order items. 

Meaning, you can't drive 50 miles to a neighboring state and purchase 125 handguns to arm your white ethnostate militia.  Arming your militia is easy in that other state because its legislators have enacted a law which makes it legal to buy up to 1000 handguns at one time with no background check, waiting period, or special firearms license.

Or, you can't drive 300 miles to a neighboring state in order for your GF to get an abortion because the state you live in is governed by pseudo-Christians...Xtians who made it a murder charge to get a medical procedure which removes a parasite growing in your significant other's womb, a parasite which you two can't afford to grow into a human after nine months of it robbing your GF of nutrients.

Hyperbole can be fun, eh? :lol:

A nation as large as the USA needs at least some federal laws which supersede state laws. IMO




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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 3
    #26362418 - 12/05/19 07:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sugabearcrisp said:
As suspected y'all just hating on the Senate because your impeachment dreams will die there as opposed to actually wanting to debate the need for Senate and the electoral college.

Butthurt that's all you are.




You said that because you have 134 posts. We need a height requirement around here.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26362518 - 12/05/19 08:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26362522 - 12/05/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

90 days, or 500 posts, whichever comes first.

Butt hurt about a system that has been shown to disproportionately represent the people  isn't butt hurt at all.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: christopera]
    #26362559 - 12/05/19 09:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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christopera said:
90 days, or 500 posts, whichever comes first.

Butt hurt about a system that has been shown to disproportionately represent the people  isn't butt hurt at all.




But why have states at all?

Why should California or Wyoming exist and have the ability to tax and regulate gun, cannabis, sex worker, gambling or any other thing locally?

Likewise why should representatives to Congress represent any locality? It has led to widespread abuse in the form of pet projects enriching localities at the expense of others


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26363378 - 12/05/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sugabearcrisp said:
As suspected y'all just hating on the Senate because your impeachment dreams will die there as opposed to actually wanting to debate the need for Senate and the electoral college.

Butthurt that's all you are.



Not a single mention of impeachment until your post.


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: koods] * 1
    #26363497 - 12/05/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26364008 - 12/05/19 10:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hmm my comment was deleted and just shows the quote


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26364599 - 12/06/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Until the Constitution is changed, the vast majority of "not fair" Senate and electoral college proponents will continue to fume and bitch.

There may be some aspects of truth to the argument;yet, what is the solution? You think the smaller states would go for any of this without any compromise or safeguard? "We have more people, so just take it!"....is not going to work.


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Abolish the Senate [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
    #26364652 - 12/06/19 10:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
"We have more people, so just take it!"....is not going to work.



Who wants "one person one vote"?  Right?


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