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Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek
    #26355570 - 12/01/19 01:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Busy Bulk Visual Aid

CS2F Busy Bulk Tek by HumidFunGuy
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This is not technically a “tek”, but a collective of multiple combined. So please thank this wonderful community for such a vast amount of information. I know when I first started growing I was a little overwhelmed. Knowing everything I do now and looking back at my first grow, had I come across something like this, I would have had a greater success rate. This is a lot of information all at once. Please remember this is a hobby of patience.
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This process may not be for everyone. Many people will have different thoughts and opinions. This is completely subjective. I have combined what I believe to be all the different (easiest) methods or “Teks” to achieve a bulk grow as a Novice (or if you just want a simple grow). Some of these teks have been modified and some are used in their original format.
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Note: You can and will have more successful grows the deeper you dig into the culture. There are tons of ways to increase yields and flushing. You can even apply some of these methods to any of this. However this is supposed to be the easiest way to achieve results from a bulk grow, as a first grow.

Specifications: This is designed for a 16 Qt DubTub with 3-3.5 inches of bulk substrate. This can also be used in a Monotub (modified or unmodified) assuming you have a tub that has similar dimensions. I chose my Dubtub design because you can sit it and forget it. Once you spawn to bulk you put the original lid on, no FAE, for 10 days of colonizing. After that you add and seal your top tub, apply micropore tape then walk away until first harvest.

Here we go:
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First we take a little from the PF Tek and modify it slightly (You can substitute WBS for the BRF which could cut down on incubation time or you could use the Spider-Man/Uncle Ben Tek but in my personal opinion have seen more failure than success with the latter). We are going to create enough spawn here for a one tub (you can split it up but I wouldn’t personally...just repeat the Dubtub creation process and the bulk substrate preparation method if you want to run multiple tubs at once)

Be advised. The more spawn you add to the substrate the stronger it will be. You aren’t really giving the mycelium any added nutrients with this bulk grow. The less spawn, the less “firm” the resulting end product will be. And prepare for it to shrink each flush.
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What you’ll need:
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•10 - 1/2 Pint jars (doesn’t matter what kind we will bust and shred them later).

Note: Make sure your caps have 4 holes in each of them for inoculation points. You can use a single point all the way up to four, but each point will allow faster colonization. More than 4 is risking contamination however.

•2 Cups of Brown Rice Flour (you can buy this at Walmart pre-floured but it’s cheaper to buy a bag of brown rice and grind it up in a blender. It can have some small pieces left in it as long as most is floured).

•1 and 1/2 Cups Water. (Original method calls for 2 cups)

•4 Cups Vermiculite (do yourself a favor and just buy the $20 bag of Vigoro Vermiculite at Home Depot, you get 2 cubic feet which is roughly 60 Quarts).

**Get some extra vermiculite and some aluminum foil ready. You will need it when you start adding the mixture to the jars and when putting the lids on**
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Note: Why do I make BRF this way? I’ve done them for a long time. Lots of trial and error. Too much water in the cake will cause the middle of it to boil during the heat sterilization process. This will push water up into your dry vermiculite layer. That layer is added to keep out moisture and contaminations, we don’t want to add water to it. It could also cause issue for inoculation, especially if you do a single point in the middle. The 4 points I do on each, puts them on the outside edges of the jar. Meaning it will miss any wet spots that may or may not have been created. Once inoculated these points will all grow towards each other and the middle of the jar simultaneously. You can skip the dry vermiculite layer and use micropore tape to cover the inoculation holes if you want. I’ve never done that before. So it’s up to you. Again, why change something that works?
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Mixing Time:
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Put your Vermiculite in a bowl, add the water and mix it up really well. I put about a half cup less than it calls for in the original recipe. Honestly I seem to get faster growth when it is under field capacity. You want the vermiculite to be good and wet, not overly saturated when you add the brown rice flour. This allows it to coat the vermiculite evenly. Now you will scoop this out into each of the jars. You want to leave about 1/2-3/4 of an inch of space in the jar and once they are all filled you add enough dry vermiculite to top off each jar until it’s almost completely full. I flip my the jar caps upside down and then screw the lids down. Now place a few small squares of foil over the lids on the jars. You want enough to cover the entire lip area of the jar. You don’t want any water getting in during sterilization.
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Sterilize:
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Note: You can use a pressure cooker/instant pot on 15p @ 60-90 minutes if you have access but I just use a stock pot with some jar lids and aluminum foil in the bottom to heat sterilize everything for 90 minutes.
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Place a layer of jar lids in the bottom of your pot. Then place a layer of foil (shaped to look like an extra bottom kinda) with enough room for air/ water to flow on the sides. Then another layer of lids on top of that. Now fill it up with water about half way up to the last set of lids on top. Then put 5 jars (or however many you can fit comfortably without touching the sides of the pot) in at a time. Bring to a slow easy boil and put on the pot lid and leave for 90 minutes. Repeat this for your next 5 jars, or as many times until all your jars are ready.

You will want to let them cool for 3-4 hours minimum before removing the foil and preparing for inoculation.
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*[TRIGGER WARNING*TRIGGER WARNING]*
Ok guys. This is where I’m going to blow your minds. And probably piss a lot of people off.
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**For best results**
Use a SAB (Still Air Box) or a Flow Hood to keep your area as clean as possible. And plan to use one if you move any further with this hobby.


But....and here it is...
I don’t use either of those at all. I never have. I might not ever, unless I EVER get a contamination or switch to a more delicate growing environment i.e. Agar etc etc. I do however practice all other sterile techniques. I use heat sterilization tools for my needles and cover most of my work area in aluminum foil which comes sterile from the factory. I also wear gloves and use 70% alcohol on all items. I just make sure to keep the air in my room as still as possible with no extra movement. That being out of the way, it’s....
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Inoculation time:
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Heat the needle until it glows red but not long enough to melt it away from the PLASTIC base (see trial and error) and then let it cool. Place the needle all the way in to each inoculation hole and inject 0.25cc (1cc per jar and cc is ml). If you have a 10cc or ml syringe it will be used completely. You can sterilize the needle after each inoculation or after each jar. I don’t. I prefer not to kill the spores that are left in the needle. I just do everything quickly. And don’t remove the foil from each jar until it’s time to inoculate it.
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Incubate:
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All the jars are done. I put mine in a room that stays around 75F on average, but 68-72F is the sweet spot. It gets the same amount of light and dark that my fruiting gets. And then in 20-30 days depending on if you followed these directions completely or you just have a slow growing strain you will have a fully colonized and consolidated BRF Cake. (Once the cake has turned white with mycelium on the outside you will be able to spawn to bulk, there is no need to wait for consolidation for this method.)
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Chamber Preparation:
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While these jars are colonizing you can get your Dubtub ready. Like I said you can use whatever you want, but I designed this for a Dub and that’s what I’m giving you. I have combined methods from multiple Dubtub/Monotub techniques to create this. Which allows for an efficient “set it and go” technique.
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What you’ll need:
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•2 or 4 16Qt Sterilite Containers/Totes (2 for just one Dubtub and 4 for two of them. Target has them for $3 each)

•Hole Saw/Drill attachment (I found a hole saw kit at Walmart. It’s made for wood but it handles plastic and is only $5. Or you’ll need something to cut holes in the tote at roughly 1 and 1/4 inch diameter. It doesn’t have to be perfect).
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Time to build:
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-On the bottom tub I have each hole placed close to 4 inches vertically from the bottom going up and 2.5 inches horizontally from each  of the holes closest edge.
-On the top tub the holes are placed 1 inch vertically from the top (the top tub will be upside down so it’s “top” will actually be the bottom of the actual tote) and 2.5 inches from each of the holes closest edge. Honestly I just eyeballed mine.

Once the holes are cut out, place a piece of duck tape over them. Make sure you’ve cleaned it out a bit and take some alcohol to the inside of the tub. Slap a lid on it, sit your bottom tub inside the top tub, and put it to the side for when your cakes are ready.

Use a liner to stop side pins.

(Optional/Outdated) On the bottom tub, cover up the sides about 3-3.5 inches from the bottom and the actual bottom under the tote in black tape. This replaces the liner most people put in. Feel free to use a liner or nothing at all instead. If you do use tape like I do: after you put your spawn/substrate in the tub later just push the sides/edges down a bit to compact them. That may help side pinning but has been proven ineffective.
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Time to spawn:
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Your BRF cakes are fully colonized and your Dubtub is ready. Now we want to get our bulk substrate ready to mix with our spawn. I have taken Damion5050s Elementary Coir Tek and modified it to fit this Tub.
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What you’ll need:
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•5 gallon bucket and lid

*8 quarts Coco Coir or ground Coconut/Coco Husk (I use a brick of pressed coir by Eco-Earth from PetSmart which is equivalent).

•2 quarts Vermiculite.

•4 quarts Water
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Mixing time:
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Take the bucket and toss in the coir and vermiculite then put the lid on just to keep anything from falling in. Boil the water, once it’s good and boiling remove the lid and pour it over top of the coir and vermiculite. Put the lid back on and wait 60 minutes. Now stir that up really well. Put the lid back on and wait 2-4 hours. (I wait 4 but you just need the temperature below 90 F).
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Time to spawn:
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Have your BRF jars available and within reach.

Get your bottom tub and make its lid accessible. Take your bucket and dump your coir mix into the bottom of the tub. You want about 3.5~ inches in there. Then put the lid back on the bucket. Keep some of the mix in the bucket for a faux casing after mixing our spawn in.

You can do this any way you want but I’ve found the easiest way for me is to just birth my cakes straight into the coco mix one at a time. I dump the dry vermiculite on top in a small waste basket but everything inside the jar should be sterile and adding a little extra vermiculite attaches to the cake won’t hurt a thing.

You can bust these cakes up into pieces by hand but personally I use a sterilized cheese grater and shred the cakes into the mix. (This basically creates 1000s of tiny inoculation points in the new substrate). You can go as low as 4 and all the way up to 10+ cakes or more. But I suggest 5 per Tub. Once your cakes are shredded, mix it all up in the coco really well. Then place about 1/2 to 1 inch of the coco mix from your bucket on top as a faux casing. Then put your lid on.
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Incubation:
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Throw a lid on and Incubate at temperatures from 68F to 72F  (I wouldn’t go any higher than 80F) for 10-12 days. I place a piece of crumbled foil across the top of the substrate while incubating. You can wait longer or you can put it directly into fruiting and not incubate. It’s up to you.
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Fruiting:
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Once incubation is complete take the lid off and add the top tub. Seal the edges of the tubs together all the way around with duck tape. Remove the original tape from the holes on the tubs one at a time and place the micropore tape on instead. The method I use is an adjusted version of Pastywhytes Micropore Dial In for Monotubs. On the top holes I cover it in a single layer of micropore tape which requires 2 pieces of 1 inch tape. Overlapping only by a few millimeters. And on the bottom holes I do this 1 layer then add a second piece to the bottom part of the hole which allows restriction. You can also substitute polyfil, etc. Now sit the Dubtub(s) somewhere with a bit of room around for proper airflow and you’ll have a bulk grow ready to harvest in no time.
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Harvest:
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Ok so there are many ways to do this. Personally I cover my holes up completely and flood the tub until the substrate lifts out. I cut all fruits off with a scalpel and make sure the substrate is cleaned up. You can also lift it out with the liner if you used one.
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Prepare for next flush:
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Using the water already in the tub dunk the substrate and dump the excess water that rises above the holes. Then use something with a little weight to hold the substrate down. Leave it dunked for a few hours. Some suggest 1 hour per inch. You can stand the tub on its edge to drain the rest of the water without having to flip it all the way over.
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Flush again!

CHECK THIS OUT!
Here is the first flush (minus a few guys still trying)

What next?
Want to make Spore Prints and Syringes easily?
Remember, this is my practice and what I like to do. Make your own adjustments as information becomes available.


**THIS IS A WORKING PROCESS, INFORMATION WILL CHANGE WITH MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE OF OTHER OUR FELLOW MYCOLOGISTS. NO MATTER HOW NOVICE OR HOW EXPERT EXPERT YOU ARE IN THIS FIELD THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING SUPPORT**


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: HumidFunGuy] * 1
    #26355578 - 12/01/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Gotta lot of old wives tales going on...black tape wont solve side pins. Colonize in the dark? Come on...

You dont need a sab to inoculate pf jars but I'd spend the $5 and get one. You'll need it if you ever wanna do anything more advanced.

Your tek reads like it came from 2008.


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26355616 - 12/01/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Gotta lot of old wives tales going on...black tape wont solve side pins. Colonize in the dark? Come on...

You dont need a sab to inoculate pf jars but I'd spend the $5 and get one. You'll need it if you ever wanna do anything more advanced.

Your tek reads like it came from 2008.



:whathesaid: 75-80F for colonization is a little warmer than I like too


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: Tormato]
    #26355632 - 12/01/19 01:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You could shave off a week or two by using wbs too. Maybe it’s cuz I’ve only done a few brf jars but they just take so long. When I did them I started wbs quarts and brf 1/2 pints at the same time and I was harvesting the first shoebox days before the jars were done colonizing.

Also cakes don’t need to consolidate when you’re spawning them, and tape outside won’t do the same thing a liner will.


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: A.k.a]
    #26355744 - 12/01/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said. Take it for what it is. It’s all subjective. I’ve had nothing but success this way. This is obviously not for seasoned mycologists. This is purely based on my own experience. To each their own my friends. I wouldn’t tell someone to do something that I am not already doing successfully. No matter how new or old the tactics, they work for me and are all adapted from widely used techniques within the community. Happy growing!


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: HumidFunGuy]
    #26355748 - 12/01/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I hear ya...just wanting to help ya out a bit, but if it works for you then keep on keeping on. :super:


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: Tormato]
    #26355752 - 12/01/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I appreciate it. And I love all the input from everyone. I want to continue to learn and grow and be more advanced each day. Anything new I learn will be implemented. This is just to help people get off the ground and is in no way meant to be the best method possible. Even after writing this I have made changes to my own designs. Trial and error.


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    #26355787 - 12/01/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:awesketch: ...Pics?


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    #26355802 - 12/01/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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:awesketch: ...Pics?




I have a few on the imgur link. I am working on getting new images together to help with details.


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    #26356245 - 12/01/19 08:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

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:awesketch: ...Pics?




I have a few on the imgur link. I am working on getting new images together to help with details.





I edited the post to include details

Here ya go: https://imgur.com/a/OQ71ey2


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: mushboy]
    #26356918 - 12/02/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Gotta lot of old wives tales going on...black tape wont solve side pins. Colonize in the dark? Come on...

You dont need a sab to inoculate pf jars but I'd spend the $5 and get one. You'll need it if you ever wanna do anything more advanced.

Your tek reads like it came from 2008.




I appreciate all your insight. I will update this as the results continue to roll in and with help from others.

Let me know what I could do to make this smoother than it is.


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    #26356932 - 12/02/19 09:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You could shave off a week or two by using wbs too. Maybe it’s cuz I’ve only done a few brf jars but they just take so long. When I did them I started wbs quarts and brf 1/2 pints at the same time and I was harvesting the first shoebox days before the jars were done colonizing.

Also cakes don’t need to consolidate when you’re spawning them, and tape outside won’t do the same thing a liner will.



How would I work WBS into this? I’ve never looked into that before and want to make this better. I just thought this way is easy because most people go straight for BRF. And yeah I know you can do it sooner but I just let mine go the whole time. Just my method. I’m sure you can go with 80%~ or so.


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    #26356933 - 12/02/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Gotta lot of old wives tales going on...black tape wont solve side pins. Colonize in the dark? Come on...

You dont need a sab to inoculate pf jars but I'd spend the $5 and get one. You'll need it if you ever wanna do anything more advanced.
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Your tek reads like it came from 2008.



:whathesaid: 75-80F for colonization is a little warmer than I like too



What would you suggest?


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: HumidFunGuy]
    #26356935 - 12/02/19 09:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:


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    #26357010 - 12/02/19 10:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Just switch brf for wbs. You can shake it when it’s partially colonized and it finishes much faster.

But with the brf if you’re gonna spawn to bulk it still needs to be 100% it just doesn’t need the extra week to consolidate since it’s going to get broken up anyway.


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    #26357028 - 12/02/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Just switch brf for wbs. You can shake it when it’s partially colonized and it finishes much faster.

But with the brf if you’re gonna spawn to bulk it still needs to be 100% it just doesn’t need the extra week to consolidate since it’s going to get broken up anyway.



Awesome! I will update so it’s available with the rest of the information I’ve listed.


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Re: Complete Start to Finish Busy Bulk Tek [Re: HumidFunGuy]
    #26357290 - 12/02/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Gotta lot of old wives tales going on...black tape wont solve side pins. Colonize in the dark? Come on...

You dont need a sab to inoculate pf jars but I'd spend the $5 and get one. You'll need it if you ever wanna do anything more advanced.
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Your tek reads like it came from 2008.



:whathesaid: 75-80F for colonization is a little warmer than I like too



What would you suggest?



68-72F


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    #26357368 - 12/02/19 02:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks! I’ve updated the information accordingly.


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    #26359713 - 12/03/19 06:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

i see you with the b sides and rarities pun


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    #26359876 - 12/03/19 07:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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i see you with the b sides and rarities pun




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