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DNA_Trip
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How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be...
#26355092 - 12/01/19 07:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If following the unmodified tub tek and not using any liners as it says, how is it possible for it not to get side pins? I am doing an unmodified shoebox and have started to see lots of side pinning. This tek and and other videos have shown not using any liners of any sort and not having to deal with any side pinning, or just barely. I'm noticing them all over... Whenever I spawned I made sure to tamp and pack down the edges somewhat to prevent side pinning as it says. Since you don't pack down your whole spawned substrate and need to leave it loose and airy, with the combination of light, these things together will cause a microclimate to form with the inevitability of side pins. How do people not get side pins without a liner??? I'm seeing them all over...
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rickyswamps
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26355117 - 12/01/19 08:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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its all about the surface conditions. If the surface isn't right, you will get side pins. Here is good info on what you need to do.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
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DeckardCain
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26355119 - 12/01/19 08:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bod has videos of how he spawns, i beleive he mentions if you spread it and pat it down properly and level you wont get side pins, i guess at least not on the first flush
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: rickyswamps]
#26355129 - 12/01/19 08:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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My last set of shoe boxes developed side pins in the dark (wardrobe) before I even cracked the lid. I fear the lid is not as tight as I thought letting the surface get dry.
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DNA_Trip
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: DeckardCain]
#26355145 - 12/01/19 08:34 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't see that video before, I was only going by instructions. He seems to press down on it pretty hard, I was very cautious going about it, only applying a little pressure around the edges of the substrate. I didn't know I was supposed to be pressing that hard!!! It seems the video demonstrates what the written tek says not to do! Oh well, this is my first bulk grow, learning curve...
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26355146 - 12/01/19 08:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Practice. Side pins are usually a direct result of being your first few grows
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DNA_Trip
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: rickyswamps]
#26355152 - 12/01/19 08:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been keeping an eye on surface conditions everyday, believe me, this is my first bulk try so I'm watching my tub like a damn hawk! Whenever I shine a light over I see crystal like reflections of water, and I have already misted once or twice just to make sure, I shouldn't be misting anymore than that or even have to before my first flush. The problem would be over saturation, and in this case less is more. I'm already paranoid I may of oversaturated the surface that I can't see, but both of my mists I did weren't generous at all, it was just a couple of pumps. Once you've sprayed too much you can't take it back, but you can always add more if need be. I don't plan on misting again until after the first flush as originally intended. But yes, I've been watching surface conditions like a hawk. However, this tek I believe wasn't originally intended or designed to keep having to watch for surface conditions.
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: bodhisatta]
#26355162 - 12/01/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bodhisatta himself!!! Thank you Bodhisatta, you are correct! I have only done cakes, this is my first grow. I didn't watch your video, instead just read the tek. I was so cautious about pressing down on the substrate because of not packing it. I barely just pressed the edges of the substrate down because I was worried about packing it down. I aired on the side of more cautious, but now I can see you are supposed to be a lot more firm and harder with it. Do you think the side pinning is a going to a problem?
Edited by DNA_Trip (12/01/19 08:44 AM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26355165 - 12/01/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't think my tek even mentions anything about packing the sides down only the video does.
Side pinning is a cosmetic problem not a real problem
Bottom pinning is a problem in my book tho. The shrooms become ugly mangled shit
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DNA_Trip
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: bodhisatta]
#26355174 - 12/01/19 08:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I haven't checked the bottom because I don't want to keep picking my tub up and down and left it alone, but will bottom ones facilitate a contamination risk to my flush? So are you saying if just following your written tek that it is most likely going to get side pins because it was left unmentioned?
Edited by DNA_Trip (12/01/19 08:58 AM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26355177 - 12/01/19 08:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, if you don't have experience you'll be more likely to get side pins with literally any method. You don't learn field capacity, substrate fluffyness, side packing, surface moisture, moisture maintenance. Overnight.
The video IS part of the tek. Like I said there's really no assembly instructions in the text part of the tek. (Kind of obvious hopefully by that point that spawn and sub get mixed tho) The video takes care of it because words don't handle illustrating the point nearly as well. The video shows how I do the mixing and spawning step.
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: bodhisatta]
#26355181 - 12/01/19 09:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you, I wish I would of seen it along with the written, but there's a deep learning curve with this anyway, and I'm learning. If I end up having pins or any growth on the bottom like you said, will that be a contaminant issue to my flush?
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Re: How does unmodified (unBODified) tub not get side pins? Can't be... [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26355192 - 12/01/19 09:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean kind of just a little if you leave them eventually they'll get rotten but you can probably just leave them the life of the tub anyway
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