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How mush is too mush?
    #26355094 - 12/01/19 07:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve noticed recently that I have found myself tripping almost every weekend. I’m not sure if I should be bothered by my increased use of mushrooms, but I do wonder where do you draw the line? I’m sure it is  different for everyone.

You see the thing is I’m having a lot of fun in mush land. I find it very nice and relaxing to step out reality for a little while  lol. I know a lot of people say that mushrooms aren’t for recreational uses but I find some of my best experiences are in “lower doses” laughing my ass off for hours on end. What I would consider to be very recreational.
However the laughing is fully therapeutic. 

What are your experiences when it comes to self indulgence on psychs?


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26355116 - 12/01/19 08:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Good question. I do 0.5-1g 1-2 per week which is indeed very recreational. Sometimes I find myself wondering if that will have adverse effects or if this makes me an addict. :shrug:
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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Shroomei]
    #26355122 - 12/01/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Too much would be where you notice diminished or no effects from nominal doses that would normally provide effects, meaning you've built a tolerance and resistance to the drug. If you're able to maintain the same dosage level and obtain equal effects as you did in the past, then I would personally say there is no such thing as too much.

If you can micro dose daily and obtain the same effects then by all means, have at it. If you can trip balls off 3 gr every weekend then have it, but I generally require 2-4 weeks full resets to retain the magic of the mushroom. At weekly intervals I have to increase dosage for mid to high level trips. I can however micro dose daily with nearly no loss increase in tolerance.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26355123 - 12/01/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

First off, I love tripping, good trips, bad trips, difficult trips it’s all growth. About a year ago I discover how to grow the little bastards, so I went from paying $200 an ounce, to all the shrooms I want. And the ones I grow are better then the ones I had to buy. At first I was off the chain. I was tripping every Saturday night. It didn’t take long for the tripping to start interfering with my personal life. The wife wasn’t happy about staying up and then sleeping all day Sunday. On top of that, I developed a tolerance and the trips weren’t as good as they used to be. I cut back to every other weekend and now once a months. The trips are a lot better once a month and the wife is happy too. It boils down to quality vs quantity.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Antigov]
    #26355156 - 12/01/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks guys
Shroomie: I feel the same way sometimes. Like the exact same lol

In the end I guess it is all personal preference. I don’t suppose anyone has experienced really negative side effects from tripping too often? Other than building up a tolerance?


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26355668 - 12/01/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I’ve noticed recently that I have found myself tripping almost every weekend. I’m not sure if I should be bothered by my increased use of mushrooms, but I do wonder where do you draw the line? I’m sure it is  different for everyone.

You see the thing is I’m having a lot of fun in mush land. I find it very nice and relaxing to step out reality for a little while  lol. I know a lot of people say that mushrooms aren’t for recreational uses but I find some of my best experiences are in “lower doses” laughing my ass off for hours on end. What I would consider to be very recreational.
However the laughing is fully therapeutic. 

What are your experiences when it comes to self indulgence on psychs?





I don't think there are any lines, as the mushrooms will easily tell you when you're "indulging" too much.

I've tripped daily (with increased dosage for tolerance) 4-5 days a week, weeks and even months on end, both while researching their effects on reality and while writing intensively. 

It's certainly "allowed", and it was always tons of fun to do. All you're really battling is your own reluctance. :cookiemonster:


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26355898 - 12/01/19 04:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Great points PS. I often feel like the only thing holding me back is myself. Isn’t that true for most things tho?


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26355940 - 12/01/19 05:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The only thing that matters is what matters to you. If you enjoy it and find some benefit then keep doing it. The only thing you have to consider about is how your actions will affect others around you and who will come after you. Does your tripping mean you can't be present for other things that help others? Does it negatively affect your mental state which prevents you from being the best you can for others? I don't know your situation. You can make the decision yourself.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: searching] * 1
    #26356083 - 12/01/19 07:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

This is very dependent on yourself. Just because you enjoy doing something doesn't mean you're addicted. You're able to function without taking mushrooms I'm sure... Haha.

Anyway, enjoy yourself dude. We spend countless hours at work, stressing about bills, sitting in traffic.. ect. There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking a few hours out of your day on a weekend to enjoy yourself. A lot of people drink, smoke.. whatever it is.

But mushrooms, are most definitely a different type of release. You may end up dealing with some bullshit you didnt want to think about on that trip.. but end up coming out stronger than when you went in. Also, like you said.. laughing your ass off. That's extremely therapeutic because the laughter on mushrooms is the most organic type of laugh you can ever have. Your soul literally leaves your body from laughter. It's an amazing feeling.

I too, went through this when I started growing my own.. I had more than  I knew what to do with. Was pretty much taking them every weekend. Til I had one extremely difficult trip which was my realization to back the fuck up for a little bit lol.

To each their own man. There's no set rules or obligations to your conciousness. You do whatever YOU enjoy. Everyone's perspective is objective on this matter. You will know when you want a break.. or don't feel like taking them that weekend.

Your mind will make those choices for you. Til then, trip balls.. enjoy yourself. We spend too much time in a controlled manner that it's nice when we have time to get a little weird and drool over ourselves while we laugh at how silly things are that we do every day.

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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26356479 - 12/02/19 12:14 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you all for the support and insights.

I personally have not noticed any negative side effects from my consistent usage. I will say that my trips are more hit and miss. Sometimes they can be really spectacular sometimes they can be just ok lol. Every time they are rewarding in some aspect.

Some of my peers have made some remarks about how taking shrooms too often will make you go crazy or other stigma type comments. Have you guys encountered resistance from others?  My wife is fully supportive, although she doesn’t partake. Most of the people who are close to me don’t have anything to remark about my increased usage. I just don’t believe they will make a person “go crazy”
I feel like if someone already has a tendency to not be very well grounded in reality then maybe increased usage isn’t a good idea. As pretty much all of you have said, this is a very subjective experience.

I’ve been playing in the 2-4g range in lemon tek tea. It makes for a powerful but fast trip that I have really become accustomed to. Trip peaks at about the 1.5 hour mark. They finish in about 3-4 hours. I’ve got some PE that really knock me off my rocker. Some GT that are pretty standard potency. Some ovoids that are mild.

Ya and I feel like now that I have a pretty nice stockpile with different types I just want to experiment as much as I can. Every time I go a little deeper it’s that much more rewarding.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26356484 - 12/02/19 12:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Til then, trip balls.. enjoy yourself. We spend too much time in a controlled manner that it's nice when we have time to get a little weird and drool over ourselves while we laugh at how silly things are that we do every day.

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🤣🤣 so true


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26356493 - 12/02/19 12:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm probably the wrong person to ask, as I discipline myself to only trip every 12 months minimum. I usually go 18 months. I try to save my trips for big breakthroughs and guidance self-check-ins, which appear to be most needed during that time period. That's why I adopted the name Loaded Shaman. I get absolutely blasted from my infrequency, but I use it mostly for personal growth and wisdom gleaning lol.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26356504 - 12/02/19 12:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I really like to trip once a week.. but that work out about half of the year.


I don't think tripping often is too much, i only get benefit..  absolutely no negatives.

increase memory, zero depression..  heavy trips once a week is simply good meditation. an 8 hour trip once a week, no alcohol, no fast food.. progressivly increasing dose to keep it strong.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: trippleblack]
    #26356509 - 12/02/19 12:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There you go, to each his own. I rip cannabis constantly so there's that. Perhaps that's my "make up" for not tripping as frequently for myself, lol. As long a the positives outweigh the negatives it's a go for me.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26356596 - 12/02/19 02:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

2-4 times a year is plenty. I can't fathom why anyone would want to trip every fortnight.

Excess of anything is counterproductive. :shrug:


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PsychoReactive] * 1
    #26356616 - 12/02/19 03:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've had years I've tripped pretty much every weekend and others I haven't touched it at all. I've tripped maybe 4 or 5 times this year, which is way more than none the year before but way less than the 20 times or so the year before that.

That's the beauty of psychedelics, that they are so self regulating for healthy people. I've seen the odd mushroom and acid casualty. But I reckon those people were probably losing their shit before they ever touched psychs anyway.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Northerner]
    #26356636 - 12/02/19 04:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I used to trip every weekend on mushrooms, and then on acid. Never really interfered with anything other than sleep. Seemed to help me more than antidepressants actually.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: LittleDipster]
    #26356682 - 12/02/19 05:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I think big things are coming with mushrooms. A lot of research is being done on showing huge progress for depression... which we've known, but at least it's getting recognized again.

We aren't in the 60s anymore. As people, we evolve. Anyone to shame these clearly haven't tried them.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: SocalJosh]
    #26356707 - 12/02/19 05:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe if you have some underlying mental illness youre unaware of is when things can go south from taking them that frequently. But, even then, it's usually that one trip that breaks someone and they're never the same after that. It's actually quite a shame. I've read a lot of articles and have listened to a lot of podcasts about if mushrooms induce it or if the mental illness would have showed itself later on in life. Something we really don't have the answer to right now.. but there was something off in the brain before taking mushroooms.. but mushrooms exposed it to a full degree and then people become full on schizophrenia.

But when we trip.. we pretty much are schizo. We just finally find the end of the tunnel and reach the light. Unfortunately, some people don't. And I believe these are people who have had the mental illness but have not been diagnosed. Mushrooms do not cause it.. but empowered a breakdown due to the experience. Kinda fucked up.. but I think one knows if they should be taking mushrooms or not.. to be honest. At least if you were like myself and did the research prior to my first time ingesting.

But in any healthy person.. I could see mushrooms still making you become "crazy" in a manner. The reason I say this is because, of the constant state of a higher consciousness repetitively every weekend. Mushrooms literally change you as a person. It makes you look at things with a different lens. Your job, your relationships, what you do for fun, your vices.. ect.

The world is seen in a different point of view after an experience.. which makes a lot of us so much different than those who haven't taken them. This is what makes us "crazy", because we now have different view points than those who haven't had an experience.

Mushrooms reveal a lot of secrets to the ones who listen. I've learned a ton and still have tons to learn. But the world I live in now is completely different than from when I have never taken them. I'm not crazy.. I'm just awake.

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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26356782 - 12/02/19 07:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

this is something that actually makes me want to go back to school and finish up a psych degree so I can work in the forefront of these new therapies. My family struggles heavily from mental illness, my moms brother is Schizo, my moms BPD, I've got BPD, Manic depression, and CIP, for all intensive purposes I'm the poster child of someone who most definitely should not be touching psychedelics. But I surrendered myself to them as I did to god as a child, I trusted in them and they have rewarded me 10 fold. I know the future risk is still there. but I want it to be documented whatever happens to me, good or bad. I think that in a proper setting, with proper guidance, even those with mental issues can benefit greatly. I already was crazy when I started taking them though so maybe that has something to do with it, although if they helped my insanity, who's to say you couldn't use them to bring someone back. The unknowns about these magical substances are truely fascination, and I look forward to seeing the products of scientific studies, I don't think that they're a cure all, but the anecdotal evidence i've seen really doesn't seem to favor anyone in terms of who loses their shit or not. To me, they're miracle drugs, My grandpa was telling me how much more level headed and happy I seem this trip compared to my normal self, and last time he saw me was 2 years ago prior to any of my LSD and PSilocybin experimentation. prior to lsd and shrooms my last trips were on DMT 6 years prior.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26357304 - 12/02/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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But when we trip.. we pretty much are schizo.




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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26357449 - 12/02/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Been eating anywhere from 5-15g every week to 2 weeks for the last year.
Started with 7.5g then bumped up to 10g with some weeks "up to" 15g. That dose regime lasted for some months, with every week especially, which tapered off to every other week for a bit. (but still usually every week.)

After a really hard one that caught me off guard, I recently have just tried to have a decent 'medium' go every weekend now the last 3 months or so... Mainly just relax and enjoy some fantasy or syfy and with 7.5s. Last heavier one since the big kahuna surprise, was a 12g tea after not eating for 36hrs, 2 months ago or so.

Through all this time, feel pretty normal. I get deja vu like flashes, but with a trip. So like, be washing dishes and letting thoughts run and a memory of a trip pops up and I giggle... Had 1 dream in which I was feeling like I was tripping... Other than that, normal function for day to day activities.

Anywho, basically tldr; Going pretty much every week for a over year, started real hard, going chill now. Also, don't drink or anything else. (excluding marijuana.) Feeling pretty sane over all without any negative effects on keeping active in everyday life.

Edit: As for folk who say they don't see how some one does more than like couple goes a year... In my perception, I can't see how anyone can get drunk at all... or smoke tobacco... Perception is a funny thing.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26357619 - 12/02/19 05:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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But when we trip.. we pretty much are schizo.




:nojustno:  I've been there and it's nothing the same.



What do you mean? I know they aren't hand in hand. But I believe that they do share some characteristics.

"a long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behavior, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation"

But then again.. in a sense we know we're going to snap out of it and have induced this ourselves. Idk. Curious on your input as well.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26357823 - 12/02/19 07:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The similarities involve enhanced synchronicities, emotional amplification, and difficulty accomplishing complex tasks.  The differences are you feel renewed with mushrooms both during and afterwards but with schizophrenia there is no afterwards and during is just mostly unsettling, constantly - like things don't work right but the way they don't work right is beyond your control.  With mushrooms things work differently and you can control it.  IME anyway. :shrug:

I would take mushrooms again in a heartbeat.  I would take schizophrenia again fucking never.


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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26357971 - 12/02/19 08:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I know what you're saying. I'm not one to really say because I've never experienced something of such where I can have a comparison & I'm not trying to sound like I know what I'm talking about when it comes to actually having schizophrenia. Now.. on the other hand.. I've had extremely difficult trips that have lead me to believing I have went completely psychotic. The only thing that I have taken from that trip that was rewarding, was how much I cherish my sanity. How beautiful a sober mind is. Kinda steered me south of mushrooms.

Just have read symptoms of schizophrenia that have matched with exactly what I felt during my horrible experience & have listened to so many podcasts & have ready so many articles about mushrooms breaking someone with underlying schizophrenia.  And I can completely see why. Ever since then I kind of believe at certain points.. you do become a delusion.. idk it's a rabbit hole discussion haha. Just picking at your brain because you have experienced both. No disrespect in comparing the two.

I will take mushrooms again.. but I would never want to experince that again. Since then, haven't taken them since.

Also have read articles about people with people diagnosed with schizophrenia being fine. I'm just a curious cat. Can't wait until a few more years down the road. So much more research will surface. I  do see big things coming in the future(optimistic)

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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26357996 - 12/02/19 09:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I've had extremely difficult trips that have lead me to believing I have went completely psychotic.




A heavy trip can put you into a temporary state resembling psychosis, certainly.

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Psychosis is an abnormal condition of the mind that results in difficulties determining what is real and what is not. Symptoms may include false beliefs (delusions) and seeing or hearing things that others do not see or hear (hallucinations). Other symptoms may include incoherent speech and behavior that is inappropriate for the situation.




The mindfuck of shrooms is similar to descriptions of thought disorder which is a symptom of schizophrenia, but I think the mindfuck and insanity on high doses of mushrooms is more closely related to symptoms of mania than schizophrenia. Euphoria, 'flight of ideas' and delusions can be features of mania which are also commonly experienced on high doses of mushrooms.

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Eugen Bleuler, who named schizophrenia, held that thought disorder was its defining characteristic. However, formal thought disorder is not unique to schizophrenia or psychosis. It is often a symptom of mania.




Occasionally I see posts (typically asking for advice) where someone has a friend who has "not come down" several days after a trip and they are still acting weird - I think when this happens they are having some type of manic episode.

I think there is a kind of spectrum with depression at one end and mania at the other - to me it feels like mushrooms can temporarily put you into a heightened state of arousal resembling mania at higher doses. It's just part of the trip and can be very exciting and pleasurable... although it can be somewhat mentally exhausting. To be delusional can be quite frightening and can make you feel that you have "gone insane" but I do like trips which are slightly delusional because it makes everything seem more real - like you have genuinely made contact with aliens or felt the presence of God.

I've always liked the thought disorder page on wikipedia because the list of symptoms is amusing and reminds me of tripping - below is an example: :trippinballs:

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Tangentiality – Wandering from the topic and never returning to it or providing the information requested. e.g. in answer to the question "Where are you from?", a response "My dog is from England. They have good fish and chips there. Fish breathe through gills."




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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
    #26358072 - 12/02/19 10:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Now.. on the other hand.. I've had extremely difficult trips that have lead me to believing I have went completely psychotic.





Oh yeah I get those too on occasion. 

Once I realize why it's happening ("you're had mushrooms and you're tripping!") they ususally become enjoyable.  But without knowing why though (it happens) they can be terrifying ("I've broken my head and I'll be this way forever.")

At the time it's totally real and it makes no sense. :utterconfusion:

With schizophrenia it doesn't wear off after a few hours. Mine wasn't underlying or anything, it was caused by a brain concussion. Although I gained some super-powers, which was interesting, and learned a lot of shit about how things work under the surface, it messed me up completely at the time.

Mushrooms were able to fix the long term damage from the concussion, a number of people noticed this and commented on it.



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Re: How mush is too mush? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26358434 - 12/03/19 05:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

@Aldebaran -
:lol: that's what happens to me when I read things of such. That's why when I had that hard experience I was reading up on mental illnesses & whatnot. Because what I experienced matched completely with what most people would consider insanity. But I always try and understand what's going on in the brain. I just like learning about things. Also, the time loop I was in literally felt forever. I was more than sure I was either dead or in some type of dream. It was a beautiful tragedy. Because I did take a huge lesson out of it.. but that lesson was like sitting on the stove burner:lol:

Most of my trips do become pretty delusional at some point.. but theyre mostly therapeutic for the most part other than scary. But then you get that one, that really almost 'breaks' you. And that was my last one. But, it didn't break me.. just left a huge dent:lol:

@PrimalSoup -
Dude I know. I literally thought I did it on my last one, which is why i cherish sanity so much at the moment. Which is why I haven't tripped lately. A lot of people take a normal functioning brain for granted.

I'm glad you're doing better though. The psychedelic experience is something so much more than can ever be read in an article or justified by any type of reasoning. It's a magic that none of us understand to its full potential.. but we know it offers extreme therapeutic sessions for anyone who's willing to listen & let go. Good or bad. Both rewarding in the end.


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    #26358515 - 12/03/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Wow. I’m thankful you all shared your experiences. 

I really don’t think mushrooms or any psychs will really make you go “crazy” in any kind of lasting way.

And isn’t that part of the point? To be outside of your normality, pushing the envelope of what your mind can comprehend. Then to be absolutely grateful when reality comes again.
I really think this is the core of most heavy experiences.

I’ve had some times while on shrooms where I thought I was crazy but like VE said, as soon as I realize what’s happening it certainly gets better.

Ya I don’t think every weekend is too much. I think it’s just what I need right now. So I’m gonna keep it up till the mushroom overlords tell me not to lol


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    #26358526 - 12/03/19 06:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

most of us won't but some of us most likely will. probably more prevalent with LSD use. after reading all these threads last night tripping I got worried, but I woke up this morning after a few hours rest and the world is very much not trippy anymore... bummer


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    #26358539 - 12/03/19 06:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

every personality carry's evil an I can counter culture whose who in where they belong or what needs be to extreme to produce as many suggest its real how you stand. 

i see to not fall and be proud of my past and future drug use for mushrooms very equal to know they grow from soil!


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    #26358550 - 12/03/19 06:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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every personality carry's evil an I can counter culture whose who in where they belong or what needs be to extreme to produce as many suggest its real how you stand. 

i see to not fall and be proud of my past and future drug use for mushrooms very equal to know they grow from soil!



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    #26358554 - 12/03/19 06:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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most of us won't but some of us most likely will. probably more prevalent with LSD use. after reading all these threads last night tripping I got worried, but I woke up this morning after a few hours rest and the world is very much not trippy anymore... bummer




Oh man that was not my intention by starting this thread!? I hope I didn’t ruin the night too much for you! I have definitely been there. Said to myself “well let’s TRY to sleep this off and see if everything is normal in the morning”

Ya I feel like synthetic drugs have issues with how they interact with the body(absolutely no scientific backing just my personal thoughts) That’s why some of the most valued drugs and altered states come from plants. With very little negatives for the subjects. Human kind has experimented with plants for thousands of years and we have only recently found LSD

I’m not discrediting synthetic drug use. I’ve heard many amazing and beautiful stories come out of LSD and other synthetics. I just think there can be more issues with something that has been changed from its original form than just leaving it alone and enjoying it


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    #26358562 - 12/03/19 06:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow. I’m thankful you all shared your experiences. 

I really don’t think mushrooms or any psychs will really make you go “crazy” in any kind of lasting way.

And isn’t that part of the point? To be outside of your normality, pushing the envelope of what your mind can comprehend. Then to be absolutely grateful when reality comes again.
I really think this is the core of most heavy experiences.

I’ve had some times while on shrooms where I thought I was crazy but like VE said, as soon as I realize what’s happening it certainly gets better.

Ya I don’t think every weekend is too much. I think it’s just what I need right now. So I’m gonna keep it up till the mushroom overlords tell me not to lol



Not in a sense. But like @Aldebaran said in a different thread.. it's not thinking you were God that makes you crazy, believing you are God to a full maximum day in and day out after the trip is when things start to become on the "crazy" part haha.

I guess it's all on how you handle things and can justify your experiences. These are mindblowing experiences though.. those breakthrough doses. Not saying it happens on a regular basis.. but I'm sure there's peoples out there preaching they're God because they had a huge experience.

And then we just kinda sit there like.. okay bud.. lay off the psyches:lol:

I've taken mushrooms over two dozen times. My last one is really when I thought I broke my brain. But I'm about 2 months since that experience and my peanut is still functioning well!  (Maybe that's objective:lol::rockon:)

Nice taking a little break and enjoying the sober mind I was begging for during that episode I was having. We all learn  lessons, even when you believe you've finally cracked the peanut:lol:


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    #26358577 - 12/03/19 07:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

lmfao no I had a great trip, but I have been working on "thinking things into existence" so to speak. waking up and telling myself I'm happy to reaffirm emotions and feelings and shit to maintain a more positive outlook on life. then I was thinking about hppd and perma tripping and started worrying I was going to think it into existence... ah the minds a terrible thing to waste. always interesting waking up to the scenery that was so much different when you saw it the night before. I didn't plan on tripping so much on vacation, but I can't help myself with floridas natural beauty.


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    #26358585 - 12/03/19 07:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It's a bitter sweet feeling when you're looking at something that was absolutely mindfucking you during an experience.. then waking up the next day and not looking at that thing the same anymore. Or wishing it was giving you that feeling that you had that night.

This is a huge thing with me and clouds. I LOVE the sky.. but when I take mushrooms.. I could CLOUD WATCH THE WHOLE TIME. Clouds are so majestic.. espically when they turn to rainbow geometric smoke and dance for you. Ah man, that's the most disappointing part when I wake up the next day and go to cloud gaze and they've lost their 'spark'.

Still beautiful. But not what it was a few hours back:lol:


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    #26358605 - 12/03/19 07:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

theres like a forest in the back yard and i've been sleeping on this outdoor bed under the awning and looking at all the trees and stuff morph into the night. looking through the bug netting at everything under moonlight has been giving me some amazing visuals and chill vibes with music playing through it all and the sounds of nature. Clouds, trees, flowers, animals. i am much more awestruck by just about everything. I do notice I have a greater appreciation for these things now than I did prior to tripping overall though. I never stopped to look at trees and smell flowers before. I get that pleasure now. sometimes it's just nice to sit back and admire the world we live in.


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    #26358649 - 12/03/19 07:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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theres like a forest in the back yard and i've been sleeping on this outdoor bed under the awning and looking at all the trees and stuff morph into the night. looking through the bug netting at everything under moonlight has been giving me some amazing visuals and chill vibes with music playing through it all and the sounds of nature. Clouds, trees, flowers, animals. i am much more awestruck by just about everything. I do notice I have a greater appreciation for these things now than I did prior to tripping overall though. I never stopped to look at trees and smell flowers before. I get that pleasure now. sometimes it's just nice to sit back and admire the world we live in.



Dude absolutely. This is why I love my backpacking trips. I have a different type of appreciation for nature. The natural world. So nice not seeing cars, walls, screens.. just you and the sound of nature.

Couldn't agree with you more. Definitely like minded. Also, that spot you're staying at sounds magical. Milk that shit dude!!!


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    #26358657 - 12/03/19 08:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

took half tab yesterday so figured a full tab should do me good, hopefully I'm not too zonked around 3 blaaaaaaaaaast off


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    #26358661 - 12/03/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Enjoy the wave buddy:feelingfunky:


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    #26358663 - 12/03/19 08:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

great idea... off to the beach!


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    #26358962 - 12/03/19 11:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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    #26358984 - 12/03/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tripping every weekend.......I used to do that when I was first introduced to shrooms. Now I try to make it more religious, as in valuable for inflection and personal change. It’s fun to trip to trip and maybe I’m the crazy one for wanting it to be more “Maria Sabina” about it, like a holy sacrament connecting us to the ancient past, eating stardust and watching stars form, as well as changing ourselves to make a better future.

Or it’s just a drug that mankind got lucky enough to find, I dunno


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    #26359253 - 12/03/19 02:34 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Not in a sense. But like @Aldebaran said in a different thread.. it's not thinking you were God that makes you crazy, believing you are God to a full maximum day in and day out after the trip is when things start to become on the "crazy" part haha.

I guess it's all on how you handle things and can justify your experiences. These are mindblowing experiences though.. those breakthrough doses. Not saying it happens on a regular basis.. but I'm sure there's peoples out there preaching they're God because they had a huge experience.




Guess I should say that after you trip often enough with high doses you start to recognize the overarching pattern where the delusions arise and are taken for reality - different delusions, but always the same feeling of reality.  This is something mushrooms do really well.  So eventually (hundreds of trips) you realize although THIS weird thing seems totally real, it seems JUST as totally real as that OTHER weird thing that happened the last time - and really, it's better to enjoy such a suspension of the ordinary, not fear it. Or something like that. 

It's hard to explain well. As an example, there have been times when I've been thinking thoughts that literally, after a while, crashed my brain entirely.  Cold stop, reboot, and WTF!?  with no distinct memory of what exactly it was I did that made it happen.  And when this happens, if you were worried about it it could be terrifying.  But if you just took as another interesting effect you'd be fine with that, because...well...weird shit happens.  And that's a constant with tripping.  :awesomenod:


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    #26359630 - 12/03/19 05:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like there are a lot of trips where I am recreationally having fun. Then there are some trips that end up being a “religious” experience. I think the whole mushroom experience really shows you the spectrum of experiences,  like acting like a 5 year old or becoming a genius.

My last experience I was out in the Mojave desert in a clear night. Introducing my brother in law to shrooms for his first time. We took 5g PE in a lemon tek tea split between the two of us.
After about 30 min I had liftoff. 1hr full visuals. It was a clear night and the stars and constellations we’re all connected in a huge morphing geometric pattern. Kinda like a sacred geometry piece. My vision was painted with a digital rainbow paintbrush. The palms trees has morphed into dancing coconut tree beings that were smiling and dancing with the music. Which was swelling and enveloping me in a 3D sound wave. It was wild. It was fucking awesome.

My Brother in law however was like “idk if it’s working” as he laughed at the purple mist and tracers he described. Although he was definitely affected, he was most obviously not as shroomed out as I was.
He laughed his ass off and had mild visuals but that was it. He said he had a good time and would do it again tho. I’m glad it wasn’t too strong for him.

I am usually tripping at home. Natural settings are my favorite. You guys sound like you have some nice trip spots 👌


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    #26360756 - 12/04/19 09:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

To go back to the original question, I think the reply by Antigov on the first page raises some good points.

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Antigov wrote: At first I was off the chain. I was tripping every Saturday night. It didn’t take long for the tripping to start interfering with my personal life. The wife wasn’t happy about staying up and then sleeping all day Sunday. On top of that, I developed a tolerance and the trips weren’t as good as they used to be. I cut back to every other weekend and now once a months. The trips are a lot better once a month and the wife is happy too.




If you've just completed your first successful grow, I think it would be normal to be very keen and want to trip frequently.

Reasons for tripping less often might be:

-It starts to interfere with work / study / family commitments

-Tripping becomes the only thing you are interested in and you stop doing other things

-The quality of the trips starts to drop and they feel less magical and less exciting than they used to

It's really the same for any interest; you want some kind of balance with the rest of your life. If weekly tripping suits you and you are  enjoying it, then fine.

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It also depends on the kind of dosage you are taking. If you have a really heavy trip which 'blows your mind' it might take some time to process what happened, or you may start to feel more reluctant about dosing if you know the trip you are planning is going to be very intense. Tripping might become more of an occasional thing, a ritual, something you have to prepare for.

As for the craziness of shrooms, I think the craziness is all part of the experience at higher doses - if it gets too much just scale back the dosage.

For anyone concerned about potential mental health risks of tripping, I don't think there is much to worry about with shrooms. Heavy, frequent dosing over long periods may take a toll on some people (probably more of an issue with LSD or less well known substances) but there is an element of common sense to this.

There will always be a subset of the population that have mental health issues unrelated to psychedelics, and others may have latent conditions that can be triggered by stress / trauma / psychedelics or whatever, but I don't think there is any evidence that shrooms can just suddenly "make you crazy" (excluding the usual craziness of a trip itself) out of nowhere. Bear in mind that scientific studies have strict controls on health risks, and they seem happy to give psilocybin to healthy volunteers who have been pre-screened for mental health issues.

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On the topic of delusions and general crazy thinking on higher doses, I agree the important thing is not to be frightened by this - it makes a difficult trip worse if you start thinking "Oh no, I'm going insane, I will never be the same again!" and I think this is a common reason why people report 'bad trips', especially if they are not used to tripping, or have not taken a high dose before.

The term "delusions" sounds a bit clinical but really it's the same thing as "magical thinking". It would be a shame if mushroom trips were coldly rational - you are taking "magic mushrooms" after all so I agree with Primal that it's better to enjoy this "suspension of the ordinary" and allow yourself to experience something which feels awe-inspiring, supernatural, spiritual or magical.

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