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Am I air drying these the right way?
    #26354819 - 12/01/19 12:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

http://imgur.com/a/pg5Fb1U

I put all of the whole shrooms on a baking sheet and have a fan blowing above them on low. The air is not directly touching the shrooms and I'm not sure if that's okay. If the air was directly touching the shrooms I think they would blow away.

After they become mostly dry from this, I plan to put them in a Mason jar with a non-toxic desiccant.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26354820 - 12/01/19 12:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You should use a dehydrator. Fan drying doesn't work properly nor do dessicants.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Failboat]
    #26354826 - 12/01/19 12:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately, I don't have one and I think it would take days before I could have one delivered. I've seen lots of threads here where people are recommending the technique I used, but I'm not sure if I'm doing it to the way they are recommending because they rarely show pictures.

Anyway, if my information is out of date, should I go to some specialty store to buy a dehydrator?


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26354828 - 12/01/19 12:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Walmart might have them. Cabelas/Bass Pro should. Rural king and Menards certainly will. Target might carry dehydrators, especially considering all the sales currently. Perhaps there is a Williams Sonoma or other cooking store local for you. It's not that hard to find em especially if you call around.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Failboat]
    #26354832 - 12/01/19 12:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Dehydrators always seem to get mine way too dry by the time they are dry enough to keep.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Myco_Anjelo420]
    #26354838 - 12/01/19 12:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

What the fuck does that even mean? Either they are dry or they are not. They can't be too dry.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? *DELETED* [Re: Failboat]
    #26354858 - 12/01/19 12:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Magenta]
    #26354860 - 12/01/19 12:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You should use a dehydrator. Fan drying doesn't work properly nor do dessicants.




This is wrong information. I can't talk for humid climates but in regards to temperate climates, initial fan drying and then using desiccants to finish the process is definitely feasible.

Regardless what you want to aim for is 'cracker dry'. What this means is that if you bend the stem, it snaps, not bends.

Good luck mate.




But am I doing it the right way? Do I need to have the fan blow directly on the shrooms?


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26354861 - 12/01/19 12:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would, jst put em in a corner if your worried about them blowing away


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: shroomaway69] * 1
    #26354865 - 12/01/19 12:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If you live in humid conditions, what i have to say may and most likely will be redundant.

Your setup looks okay to me.

Position you fan further away from the shrooms and then direct the breeze directly into them. Work out the sweet point where they don't blow away but endure the breeze at maximum intensity.
Check on them regularly because as they dry out they'll become lighter and probably blow away. The fan will need adjusting to accommodate this.

If you live in a temperate zone keeping them there for a couple of days should mediocre dry them. They'll be maximum air dried at this point. They'll seem very very dry but they're evidently not complete by the stems. They will still bend. You need to finish the drying process. Finish it by transferring them to a home made desiccant chamber.
It should only take a week after transfer for the mushrooms to become  cracker dry. This is the optimal condition to store shrooms for future use.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26354874 - 12/01/19 01:17 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It depends an your local climate, and this is a personal preference try and use a "porous" surface like a drying rack or a bamboo mat. In a humid state I used a closet and 20 dollar drying net rack thing with humidity collector and they usually go crisp within a week. It's not wrong the way your doing it, but there are more "efficient ways". Honestly going to goodwill and buying a dehydrator is always the best.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26354948 - 12/01/19 04:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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http://imgur.com/a/pg5Fb1U

I put all of the whole shrooms on a baking sheet and have a fan blowing above them on low. The air is not directly touching the shrooms and I'm not sure if that's okay. If the air was directly touching the shrooms I think they would blow away.

After they become mostly dry from this, I plan to put them in a Mason jar with a non-toxic desiccant.




How did you grow those? Just curious...I. doing my first tub and was really hoping for a lot more than that...

Oh and to contribute to your post:

I just bought one of Amazon prime for 30 bucks shipped got here the following day...


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26354955 - 12/01/19 04:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Or if you really need to dry them suckas you could put them in the oven and set your oven to "warm", its usually below 170, and also crack the door. That'd probably do it in under 10 hrs


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26354965 - 12/01/19 04:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I blow a fan directly on mine for 24 hours then stick them in a storage tote with a desiccant. I use a tub of dry-rite personally, you can find it in the automotive section of Wal-Mart etc.

Fan drying is good because it takes out 70% of the moisture so your desiccant will last longer but fan drying alone will definitely not be enough.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26355004 - 12/01/19 05:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Using a food dehydrator will most certainly decrease the potency of the shrooms a little bit. I have always fan dried my mushies and placed into a chamber with desiccant and have always had great success. They usually always turn out cracker dry and never had a problem. I usually keep them in front of a fan for around 36 hours give or take.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Skyz] * 2
    #26355104 - 12/01/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Dehydrators most certainly DO NOT decrease potency. They preserve it by deactivating enzymes and quickly getting the mushrooms dry. The alkaloids are stable into >300°F. Fan drying doesn't achieve either, even with dessicants. That week of processing Magenta describes ia a week of degradation. If you won't take my word for it let the TC's chime in.

If you're gonna half ass it do what SpunkyMonkey88 said with the oven. If you want to preserve your hard work for years conveniently buy a dehydrator.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Failboat]
    #26355121 - 12/01/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Lol? Food dehydrators definitely DO decrease potency. Its quite obvious. You are one of the first people I have ran into that would make such a ridiculous claim. Go read Paul Stamets book "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World", it says in there mushies lose potency when using heat to dry them.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Failboat]
    #26355137 - 12/01/19 08:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Unless your dehydrating your mushies on one of lowest setting possible (which is around 90-115 degrees Fahrenheit), you will more than likely lose potency. which at that point you mine as well fan dry them.  Now wether or not its to an extent where you would notice the loss in potency is up for debate. Personally I believe it to be self preference. Dry shrooms are dry shrooms. I would never waste my hard work using a dehydrator though.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Skyz] * 2
    #26355141 - 12/01/19 08:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Dehydrators always seem to get mine way too dry by the time they are dry enough to keep.



You cant make them too dry. You need them to get to 100% dry. They cant get more dry than totally dry

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Using a food dehydrator will most certainly decrease the potency of the shrooms a little bit. I have always fan dried my mushies and placed into a chamber with desiccant and have always had great success. They usually always turn out cracker dry and never had a problem. I usually keep them in front of a fan for around 36 hours give or take.



Dehydrators LOCK IN potency.
Anything that takes longer than a day to dry your shrooms is losing potency.

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Lol? Food dehydrators definitely DO decrease potency. Its quite obvious. You are one of the first people I have ran into that would make such a ridiculous claim. Go read Paul Stamets book "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World", it says in there mushies lose potency when using heat to dry them.




That book is a pile of stamets shit. Do some research on the guy.


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    #26355142 - 12/01/19 08:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Unless your dehydrating your mushies on one of lowest setting possible (which is around 90-115 degrees Fahrenheit), you will more than likely lose potency. which at that point you mine as well fan dry them.  Now wether or not its to an extent where you would notice the loss in potency is up for debate. Personally I believe it to be self preference. Dry shrooms are dry shrooms. I would never waste my hard work using a dehydrator though.



The lowest heat setting is worst for potency preservation. You want it hot and to take less time.

Heat above 160F denatures the enzymes that cause potency degradation. The longer the fruits have moisture in them the longer those enxymes can do damage. And if you don't use heat you won't destroy them. Fan drying is your worst method for potency preservation.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26355143 - 12/01/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe that one bit. I've used food dehydrators in the past. Definitely not worth it. Sure, paul might have a controversial reputation. But when it comes to something as simplistic as drying mushrooms. I will take his word for it.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: Skyz]
    #26355149 - 12/01/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Go for it lol. A guy who hasn't grown magic mushrooms and if he has it was decades ago vs hundreds of people who have and their evidence is experience based.


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    #26355158 - 12/01/19 08:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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    #26355170 - 12/01/19 08:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'll go out on a limb and say that literally every single person on here that's grown more than a few pounds, and had to figure it out and experience it for themselves, will tell you fan drying is shit.



Anyone whos doing tubs or multiple tubs and getting sizeable harvests will tell you. Use a dehydrator to dry to keep the finished product as potent and presentable as possible. Why fuck up your hard work.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26355172 - 12/01/19 08:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That's fine. Lets agree to disagree.


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    #26355176 - 12/01/19 08:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

That part already happened. I'm just putting evidence out there because there's dozens of lurking noobs that never post that see this


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    #26355220 - 12/01/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
    #26355536 - 12/01/19 01:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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http://imgur.com/a/pg5Fb1U

I put all of the whole shrooms on a baking sheet and have a fan blowing above them on low. The air is not directly touching the shrooms and I'm not sure if that's okay. If the air was directly touching the shrooms I think they would blow away.

After they become mostly dry from this, I plan to put them in a Mason jar with a non-toxic desiccant.




How did you grow those?




I hunted them.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: metaphoric]
    #26355537 - 12/01/19 01:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I blow a fan directly on mine for 24 hours then stick them in a storage tote with a desiccant. I use a tub of dry-rite personally, you can find it in the automotive section of Wal-Mart etc.

Fan drying is good because it takes out 70% of the moisture so your desiccant will last longer but fan drying alone will definitely not be enough.



Awesome.  So, do I store them indefinitely with the desiccant?  I keep reading that the desiccant shouldn't touch the shrooms, but I'm not sure why.  The desiccant I'm going to use is non-toxic.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26355541 - 12/01/19 01:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

so how does the oven tek measure between fan drying and dehydrator Bod?
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    #26355561 - 12/01/19 01:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Oven tek is less shitty but still a shitty way to dry.


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: mushboy]
    #26355648 - 12/01/19 02:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Oven tek is less shitty but still a shitty way to dry.




I don't know if oven Tek means this , but what about drying the shrooms in an oven with the door open a crack? I've been calling places for 45 minutes and nobody carries dehydrators in store in my location.

What's the maximum temperature I should use?


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    #26355658 - 12/01/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You can go up to 400+ F

Most dehydrators go to 170ish.

You can deep fry cubes, pressure cook them, boil them an hour or more... Etc...


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    #26355667 - 12/01/19 02:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As far as I can tell a space heater blowing into a box with holes to let the air out would be the same as my dehydrator.

For long term storage do you guys put your bags of dry mushrooms in a fridge? I’ve got ounces now bagged up in shoeboxes and my climate is crazy dry so I think they’ll last a long time but I’m not positive.


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    #26355714 - 12/01/19 02:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

All the TCs say dehydrate them as dry as you can as fast as you can. Now who are you going to believe?


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    #26355728 - 12/01/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I do own an air fryer. Can that be used as a poor man's dehydrator?


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    #26355801 - 12/01/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I’m not familiar with how hot an air fryer gets but anything that blows warm air will work. A food dehydrator is basically a space heater that blows in all directions with shelves on it.

From what I’ve read as long as it won’t blow hot enough to set them on fire you’ll be ok.


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    #26356414 - 12/01/19 10:54 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Amazon has pretty fast shipping. I wonder how much better a convection oven is compared to a basic oven. Seriously unless you live waaay out in the middle of nowhere it shouldn't be more than maybe an hr drive to a store with at least a basic unit. Gotta love Menards, they got all sorts of stuff.


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    #26356441 - 12/01/19 11:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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http://imgur.com/a/pg5Fb1U

I put all of the whole shrooms on a baking sheet and have a fan blowing above them on low. The air is not directly touching the shrooms and I'm not sure if that's okay. If the air was directly touching the shrooms I think they would blow away.

After they become mostly dry from this, I plan to put them in a Mason jar with a non-toxic desiccant.




How did you grow those?




I hunted them.




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    #26356744 - 12/02/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Personally I use vacuum seal bags but mason jars should work great too. Once 100% of the water has been removed they become very durable.

I have an airfryer also, I would imagine it works great for drying shrooms but I've never tried it. I wish I had thought of that a long time ago though 😂


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Re: Am I air drying these the right way? [Re: metaphoric]
    #26356962 - 12/02/19 10:20 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You cant beat a dehydrator. People  acting like they know what there doing but obviously dont if they recommend against a dehydrator:shrug:


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    #26356975 - 12/02/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I also think the dehydrator is the way to go. Only problem is they are expensive, but a nice one will last 10-15 years.


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    #26356983 - 12/02/19 10:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Expensive? 20-30 bucks. Costs less than a bag of mushrooms to make sure all the ones you ever grow are done correctly


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    #26356995 - 12/02/19 10:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid: Amazon that shit


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    #26357029 - 12/02/19 11:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Or go to goodwill and get 3x20bucks like I did:smirk:


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    #26357045 - 12/02/19 11:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Expensive? 20-30 bucks. Costs less than a bag of mushrooms to make sure all the ones you ever grow are done correctly




True, I guess I am just looking at those fancy $200 dehydrators since I make beef jerky sometimes and want a bulky one. I forget there is much cheaper ones :lol:


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    #26357064 - 12/02/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The cheap onesake jerky too. I went for a $60 cuisinart. It's aimilar to the $60 unit i saw at bass pro. The element is on the bottom and the trays connect qell enough that there is like no temp loss on the sides. That said I'm on my 3rd unit, bia warranty. Maybe I got crumbs in it but IDK. I got to keep the dysfunctional units so I will likely use then to build a big ass cabinet. The elements are great, just fan troubles. I have tried a cheaper model from rural king which I returned. TBH I haven't used a nesco.


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    #26357360 - 12/02/19 02:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry if my advice about fan drying caused confusion to anyone. I'm a little rusty on my shrooms and i've always done small batches harvested from hunting. After reading the responses and thinking about the situation more, despite that fan drying has worked for me in the past, it would likely be much less efficient to do to a big haul harvested from cultivation.

Seems a dehydrator is the preferred method. I'd go with that OP.


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