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Reknaw133
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Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved?
#26354558 - 11/30/19 07:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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First off, I'm very sorry for using a grow kit. I'm aware I'm asking a fine chief is it better to use an oven or microwave for my spaghetti Bolognese ready meal. my plan was to grow some funky fruit then clone a couple of the best ones and do it properly from scratch.
Anyway I've had my pre-colonised tub here and it's not pinning at all!! I'm thinking a grow bag isn't the best idea. I've just looked at the plastic tub the cake is in and as the myclium has sat there it's expanded and cracked the tub meaning the surrounded water has gotten in.
So right now I've removed the cake from the box and it's in the bag directly with water on the sides till I wake up. Then roll in vermiculite and sit it inside a clear box. Then I coat the bottom with perlite and keep the cake on it.
Do I drill holes in the side of the box too to allow oxygen flow? And maybe use a fan for 15mins 5 times a day? I think these grow bags suffercate them.
Also it's cold here in winter but indoors it's 16C (60.8F) minimum but usually 18-20 which is like 68F do I need to add heat to it? My temp gauge doesn't read humidity probably my next buy.
Also some of the white mycelium is yellow but there is no smell or anything.
Anyway I'm really hoping I can save these for Christmas time as I wanted to make Christmas more magical. Something about Christmas and the mushroom that connect really well.
They are Psylocbin cubensis B+
First off, I'm very sorry for using a grow kit. I'm aware I'm asking a fine chief is it better to use an oven or microwave for my spaghetti Bolognese ready meal. my plan was to grow some funky fruit then clone a couple of the best ones and do it properly from scratch.
Anyway I've had my pre-colonised tub here and it's not pinning at all!! I'm thinking not enough oxygen or poor temps. I'm thinking a grow bag isn't the best idea. My plan but I want someone to help as my experience is more towards tripping than growing.
Anyway remove the cake from the plastic tub in the grow bag and dunk in water overnight 20C? Then roll in vermiculite and sit it inside a clear box. Then I coat the bottom with perlite and keep the cake ontop and not in a box.
Do I still holes in the side of the box too to allow oxygen flow? I think these grow bags suffercate them. I'll add a fan to the side too.
I'm putting it down to not enough oxygen and maybe the water is wrong (too much)
Also it's cold here in winter but indoors it's 16C (60.8F) minimum but usually 18-20 which is like 68F do I need to add heat to it? My temp gauge doesn't read humidity probably my next buy.
Also some of the white mycelium is yellow but there is no smell or anything.
Anyway I'm really hoping I can these for Christmas time as I wanted to make Christmas more magical. Something about Christmas and the mushroom that connect really well.
They are Psylocbin cubensis B+.

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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: Reknaw133]
#26354599 - 11/30/19 08:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow wall of text, and poorly formatted to boot.
What Iβm gathering from this (and tbh its not an easy read)
You bought a growkit, got impatient and did some wierd shit the growkit didnt say to do (with verm and perlite), that you kinda just made up on the fly, and now youβre surprised it still isnt working, and still feeling impatient?
Lets unpack this a little @ 69-75f Mushrooms take ~10-16 days to fruit. It might have been close before you stressed the shit out of it, but with your cold temps it was taking a little longer Did you take a picture before fucking with it?
Now that you dunked it, if it was starting to fruit all those knots for sure aborted, and if it were to pin now that you have perlite with airspace in the bottom thats where it will pin since the microclimate will be best, tbh those orange dots on the bottom kinda view look like caps starting to form.
IMO your best option for salvaging this is to build a Fruiting chamber, either a humidity chamber or shotgun fruiting chamber, remove the cake from the container its in, place it on a piece of foil and see it still has enough energy left to fruit after all that stress.
Temps below 65 will pretty much halt growth to a standstill, low 70βs is ideal
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: AyePlus]
#26354623 - 11/30/19 08:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ho Ly Shit. Whats going on here. Did you read the grow kit instructions? That perlite is going to fuck you up on the bottom. At this point you can either construct a SGFC, or you can just put some coir in a tub, hydrate it and place your "cake" in it on top of some foil. The coir will keep humidity up and you can flip the lid upside down for fae. Afterwards just mist it when needed. Your temps will slow things down but you're fine. At this point it looks like you're going to get shrooms popping through the perlite on the bottom.
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: SimpleCultivator]
#26354705 - 11/30/19 09:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Okay so the white mycelium changes a yellow and that's caps starting to form??? Ahhh, I hope it is as I've been worrying it's mold or something bad.
I haven't dunked it in water either wanted to see what you guys said but I took the cake out the plastic tub. I'll sort a fruiting chamber tomorrow.
Also I haven't done anything else yet to it, I just followied the grow guide. I only mentioned pearlite as was recommended a LONG time ago when I looked up PF TEK in YouTube. So no perlite?
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: Reknaw133]
#26354713 - 11/30/19 10:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Check this TEK for a way to fruit the cake turned upside down (to expose what looks like pins(?)), as suggested by SimpleCultivator.
The perlite probably didn't help much (it functions differently in a SGFC). Edit: ah, you were just considering it, so yeah, don't put any, unless you are constructing a shotgun fruiting chamber.
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Reknaw133 said: Something about Christmas and the mushroom that connect really well.
Same here, hope you get some fruits by then!
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Edited by curious.psychonaut (11/30/19 10:06 PM)
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: curious.psychonaut]
#26354721 - 11/30/19 10:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Iβm pretty sure he hasnβt used perlite yet, but in that picture of the bottom it sorta looks like thereβs perlite but itβs really the myc all knotted up crazy.
It does look like a few caps on the bottom but hard to see. I would probably go with the humidity chamber too and try to do it like a giant pf tek.
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: A.k.a]
#26354763 - 11/30/19 10:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice and the whole yellow is good and not mold thing. I just had a look and those things on the bottom I don't think are pins just other pieces but there's some yellowy bits that look like they may develop.
Once I'm sorted with the FC I'll be back.
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: Reknaw133]
#26354785 - 11/30/19 11:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Post pics of it in the fruiting chamber. Those white dots actually look a lot like a response to bacteria. My mistake, based on the user above mine I thought you added perlite into it and say the substrate on top of it.
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: SimpleCultivator]
#26355154 - 12/01/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bad news guys could not get a coir local only online. Is there a way I can replicate it without for now? Or perlite work? I've done this for now but it doesn't look great.

I'll probably try either another pre-colonised cake or just buy spores and do my own cake.
I used to remember spores free ring NL. It was a spore site that was free you get a free print but then you have to give back. Anyone remember this?
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: Reknaw133]
#26355164 - 12/01/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yellow is not good.
You dont need coir.
You need a fruiting chamber.
This one uses perlite https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542#20195542
This one uses coir, but would probably work with perlite too
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25339094/fpart/all/vc/1
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: AyePlus]
#26355235 - 12/01/19 09:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pet stores also sell coir as reptile bedding, in case you haven't looked there. Works just as well, though they sometimes brand it coco-something-or-other, with no 'coir' in the name.
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: curious.psychonaut]
#26355321 - 12/01/19 10:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was confused by how that cake looks. I re-reread it and now I see.
Edited by spiritlands (12/01/19 10:47 AM)
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Re: Mushrooms not pinning after 3 weeks, can they be saved? [Re: spiritlands]
#26356712 - 12/02/19 05:57 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Getting perlite now and ordering a proper temp thing. Then I'm gunna drill holes in it.
They get light from the window but what about 4-5pm it's dark should I use a lamp on a timer?
With my cake should I add new verm to the top?
Edited by Reknaw133 (12/02/19 06:01 AM)
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