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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: chibiabos]
    #26352608 - 11/29/19 06:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I do think that if every citizen was guaranteed a UBI we would have a better society.



There would be a UBI in a better society.  I'm not saying that it shouldn't be tried, but it's not a mechanism of any real change in and of itself (nor is it by proxy).  A UBI can fail to make things better and can make them worse if social factors allow it to.  It might not be a big, huge problem in societies where some sense of community and neighborhood is valued (like in Finland), but Americans hate their neighbors and basically live by values of an autarchist cult of markets.




I started wearing my cowboy hat and inadvertently discovered the secret cowboy hat society.  Everywhere I go now, if I'm in my pick-up with my hat, other dudes in pick-ups with hats will wave to me as though we were old chums as they pass by.
No hat? No wave.  Super weird, but kinda cool i guess.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26352665 - 11/29/19 07:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That's a Western hat, ballsalsa.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: dreamachine]
    #26353206 - 11/30/19 06:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Okay bro... Here's the last thing I'll say on this. If you're a drug dealer, and you're trying to make money, and you find out everyone in the hood just got $1k+ a month you're going to slowly increase your price per gram until customers complain they can't afford it, or you notice a dip in sales. guarantee

but maybe i'm wrong; all i know is i got family that use to sell used cars, and i'm almost 100% certain that if they new everyone had an extra $1k in their pockets they would sell their cars for more money cuz they new those people could afford the extra payment each month...



The black market is considered the most stable market in the world because prices are not subject to corrupt rules, regulations but rather supply, demand and the quality of the product. Only weed has gone up in price due to the increase of quality over the last 25 years while other drugs have stayed at the same price point despite what the regulated economy does. :hatsoff:


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: dreamachine]
    #26353296 - 11/30/19 07:39 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Okay bro... Here's the last thing I'll say on this. If you're a drug dealer, and you're trying to make money, and you find out everyone in the hood just got $1k+ a month you're going to slowly increase your price per gram until customers complain they can't afford it, or you notice a dip in sales. guarantee

but maybe i'm wrong; all i know is i got family that use to sell used cars, and i'm almost 100% certain that if they new everyone had an extra $1k in their pockets they would sell their cars for more money cuz they new those people could afford the extra payment each month...




In your example, all it takes is for a rival to not raise prices.  So if someone can make the level of profit they need by selling Product X at $10, and their competitor thinks "Everyone has more cash, I'll sell it for $11", the competitor will find sales are down.

Companies will charge as much as they can, but competition keeps a check on it.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: Guy1980]
    #26353318 - 11/30/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Okay bro... Here's the last thing I'll say on this. If you're a drug dealer, and you're trying to make money, and you find out everyone in the hood just got $1k+ a month you're going to slowly increase your price per gram until customers complain they can't afford it, or you notice a dip in sales. guarantee

but maybe i'm wrong; all i know is i got family that use to sell used cars, and i'm almost 100% certain that if they new everyone had an extra $1k in their pockets they would sell their cars for more money cuz they new those people could afford the extra payment each month...




In your example, all it takes is for a rival to not raise prices.  So if someone can make the level of profit they need by selling Product X at $10, and their competitor thinks "Everyone has more cash, I'll sell it for $11", the competitor will find sales are down.

Companies will charge as much as they can, but competition keeps a check on it.



Exactly same principle applies. I also provided a source that goes into more depth on why UBI wouldn't cause inflation but Dreamachine refused to read it :shrug:


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26353354 - 11/30/19 08:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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See I'm not really talking about inflation though. I'm more referring to capitalistic business practices. I know you like Yang a lot and support his ideas, but you gotta look at it from all sides. If businesses know people have more money, a lot of them will increase the prices of their products simply because they know their customers can afford it.



Yea I get that you think that but it just isn't true.




Got a source for any of that, or is this more "UBI FIXES EVERYTHING" bullshit?

Because ths science says all it does is make people marginally happier.




UBI improves cognitive function by reducing stress.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/976.abstract

Namibian UBI Experiment reduced school drop out rates improved health and reduced crime
https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/publications/archive/policy_innovations/briefings/000163

Canadian UBI Experiment in Manitoba reduced hospitalization rates
https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/full/10.3138/cpp.37.3.283


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26353380 - 11/30/19 08:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a Western hat, ballsalsa.




Hey, whatever it's called, I've infiltrated to organization now.  Pretty soon I'll be doing back alley elk deals.  I'm gonna need a gun rack.



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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26353402 - 11/30/19 08:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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That's a Western hat, ballsalsa.




Hey, whatever it's called, I've infiltrated to organization now.  Pretty soon I'll be doing back alley elk deals.  I'm gonna need a gun rack.





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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
    #26353414 - 11/30/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

do Angora goats.  get that sweet, sweet mohair


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26353418 - 11/30/19 09:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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do Angora goats.  get that sweet, sweet mohair



Nice idea I really want a dairy herd so I can make cheese and kefir


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26353422 - 11/30/19 09:13 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

you have some land?


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26353430 - 11/30/19 09:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No shopping around at the moment I live in Colorado but the climate here is not ideal since I also want to grow some crops. I am looking at the Pacific Northwest and Idaho.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26353434 - 11/30/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

you might be surprised at what can grow in Colorado.
you on the western slope?

Edit: either way, pick a state that subsidizes the construction/installation of biogas digestion systems still.  You know anything about aquaculture?  Ever heard of Keyline planning? 


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26353439 - 11/30/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Front Range in Denver. I know farming and ranching occurs in Colorado the problem is water rights land will cost more and theres less rain its basically a desert. I'd rather get more land and not have to worry about the water.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
    #26353443 - 11/30/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Keyline planning, bro.  Water for every farm and shit.  check it out


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26353454 - 11/30/19 09:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I've got a ranch back home I've been itching to buy, but I don't have the funds yet.
oops, just checked on it and someone bought it for a lousy 300k.  Thats what I get for having no money and no credit, lol.
you snooze, you lose.  Someone is gonna make a killing on that place turning it into houses.



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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26353717 - 11/30/19 11:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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See I'm not really talking about inflation though. I'm more referring to capitalistic business practices. I know you like Yang a lot and support his ideas, but you gotta look at it from all sides. If businesses know people have more money, a lot of them will increase the prices of their products simply because they know their customers can afford it.



Yea I get that you think that but it just isn't true.




Got a source for any of that, or is this more "UBI FIXES EVERYTHING" bullshit?

Because ths science says all it does is make people marginally happier.




UBI improves cognitive function by reducing stress.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/976.abstract

Namibian UBI Experiment reduced school drop out rates improved health and reduced crime
https://www.carnegiecouncil.org/publications/archive/policy_innovations/briefings/000163

Canadian UBI Experiment in Manitoba reduced hospitalization rates
https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/full/10.3138/cpp.37.3.283




Okay, that's 3 out of 14 claims backed up with evidence. Well, evidence of sorts, because they didn't have control groups.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26353810 - 11/30/19 12:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

All of those claims are backed up by studies all over the world. UBI is a resounding success wherever it is tried trying to deny otherwise in the face of evidence is foolish.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26353908 - 11/30/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sure, I just haven't seen any of this so called "evidence", and you don't seem to be able to link anything.

The only evidence I see is less tress and more happy people. Everything else seems to be pulled out of your ass.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: Kryptos]
    #26353943 - 11/30/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Sure, I just haven't seen any of this so called "evidence", and you don't seem to be able to link anything.





I just did its not my fault your to lazy to do the reading. I'm not going to bother linking you more studies since you will disregard them since UBI does not fit your worldview. I have never in my entire life seen so many people fighting to not improve there standard of living its mind boggling.


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