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Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens
    #26353242 - 11/30/19 07:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi,

I'm planning to grow pan cyans on manure (bulk). I have used the search function and looked through the internet for days now, but I'm still confused with the contradicting information.

Some say to pasteurize straw/dung, others say to sterilize it in the PC. Some say to inoculate WBS as you would with cubes, other say to put the straw/dung into bags and inoculate those (pre sterilized??) bags. The grow tek in "Mushroom Info->Growing Mushrooms->Other Species->Pan Cyans" uses powdered manure (bought from shop). Also the followup links in these teks are all most all broken... and so on.

It seems that I'm not able to find a simple friggin Pan Cyan tek.

I have straw, aged horse poo, coir, vermiculite, WBS, Pan Cyan on Agar, spawn bags and enough jars.

It would be really great if someone could tell me how to grow Pan Cyans  with those.

Thanks you in advance!

mal


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Prietenul]
    #26353256 - 11/30/19 07:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Mcmerdin cakes write up
Or JOC’s write ups would be ideal


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Thekd95]
    #26353258 - 11/30/19 07:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, but I'm not into cakes. I want to go bulk. Or do you mean growing cakes and crumbling them into bulk straw/dung?


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Prietenul]
    #26353267 - 11/30/19 07:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

If wanting to do bulk it would be better to stay away from cakes because too many are necessary which is a big contam risk. I’ll get you a link hold up


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Thekd95]
    #26353273 - 11/30/19 07:25 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tbh I would wait until you have a few grows under your belt with regular cubes before trying pans because there is definitely a hands on learning curve
But here’s what I would use
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25925194


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Thekd95]
    #26353279 - 11/30/19 07:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Thekd95 said:
Tbh I would wait until you have a few grows under your belt with regular cubes before trying pans because there is definitely a hands on learning curve
But here’s what I would use
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25925194




Great, thank you for the info. Problem is, I already have two big millet bags inoculated with a spore syringe....

In that link you provided, he builds this fruiting chamber with humidifier and stuff. Do you think I can go without that? I don't want to spend another 100-200 bucks for that.


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Prietenul]
    #26353323 - 11/30/19 07:58 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Spore to grains is a shit show I would get agar started before I even think about a FC tbh you will have greater success. I think it’s possible without a proper FC but I’m honestly not sure post in that thread tho I’m sure he’ll get back with you


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Prietenul]
    #26353330 - 11/30/19 08:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Since i love shilling Asura's tek (he doesn't call it a tek but i mean cmon, ALL the info is right there! :lol:) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25987049/fpart/1 Definitely agree with Thekd, syringe to grain is a complete crapshoot. Definitely want to get started on agar to ensure the culture is clean before committing to grain.

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malloc said:
In that link you provided, he builds this fruiting chamber with humidifier and stuff. Do you think I can go without that? I don't want to spend another 100-200 bucks for that.




The same goes for Asura's tek, and that's what's preventing me from moving forward with Pan Cyans, too. This is a fair shot in the dark, but I think you can go without the GH, it just likely won't produce as full of a flush/as much weight. I would bet the GH is necessary for maximum efficiency, but you could likely do well with creating a humidity chamber over the pyrex dishes to make a mini-GH. That could even be as simple as a shoebox/bootbox flipped upside down over the tray or something. I really want to try Pan Cyans (both cultivating and eating) but i haven't even been able to produce consistent results with cubes yet :shrug:


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26353343 - 11/30/19 08:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Only thing decent for ms is cakes but I don’t think pans will fruit without poo


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
    #26353361 - 11/30/19 08:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, makes sense, what you guys say. I think I'm gonna toss the grain bags and start over with agar. I'll try it without FC, as I don't mind if the flushes are not as abundand as in his pictures.

One more question. I got some horse manure from a horse school around here. The woman said, it has been lying on the field for 2 years, raining and sun drying during that time. It does not smell like poo (no ammonia whatsoever), rather like normal earth/soil, but it is dripping wet. My question: Do you think I could dry that inside the house? Or do I even have to dry it at all or can I just pasteurize it (it will get wet during pasteurization anyway, right?).


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Prietenul]
    #26353370 - 11/30/19 08:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tbh my favorite part of cubes is not using poo so I really can’t answer that someone more knowledgeable will see the thread eventually


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Thekd95]
    #26353436 - 11/30/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

@malloc that horse manure you mentioned sounds exactly like what is needed. It should
look more like soil if it's been aged.

ML is right about not needing a GH. My method is for pulling in large amounts. My goal
is always to get big canopies. You can always use mono's or shoeboxes but the yields
just won't be very good.

As for your OP, you can grow out pan cyans every which way you can think of. Spawn
to pasteurized bulk, LC to sterilized bulk, etc. That part doesn't matter. It's the
fruiting that matters. You need high evaporation and humidity at the same time. The
casing layer needs to stay pretty wet at all times. So, when you think about how to
make these conditions happen it's easy to see why people start using GH's.


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Prietenul]
    #26353444 - 11/30/19 09:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Personally depending on the experience you have, I feel like a good way to build up a good grip on how to cultivate flawlessly first, that's a whole new territory. Me personally I worked my way up from B+, Z "Strain", gt. and pfc > penis envy > whatever would lie in that category. By the time you've cultivated some cubes and PE. You're bound to have your own style of rhythm and
technique.


Edited by Mimik (11/30/19 01:09 PM)


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Asura]
    #26353573 - 11/30/19 10:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Asura said:
@malloc that horse manure you mentioned sounds exactly like what is needed. It should
look more like soil if it's been aged.





Perfect. Good to be sure.

Quote:


As for your OP, you can grow out pan cyans every which way you can think of. Spawn
to pasteurized bulk, LC to sterilized bulk, etc. That part doesn't matter. It's the
fruiting that matters. You need high evaporation and humidity at the same time. The
casing layer needs to stay pretty wet at all times. So, when you think about how to
make these conditions happen it's easy to see why people start using GH's.




I see. I'll try without one and see how far I'll get. Thank you very much for the info!


Edited by Prietenul (11/30/19 10:42 AM)


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Re: Growing Panaeolus Cyanescens [Re: Mimik]
    #26353577 - 11/30/19 10:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Mimik said:
Personally depending on the experience you have, I feel like a good way to build up a good grip on how to cultivate flawlessly first, that's a whole new territory. Me personally I worked my way up from B+, Z "Strain", gt. and pfc > penis envy > whatever would lie in that category. By the time you've cultivated some cubes and PE. You're bound to have your own style of rhythm of technique.




I just had a great success with Golden Teachers on CVG with millet. I followed the "Gordotek" Video on Youtube and it was pretty impressive.

Maybe you're right and I should extend my knowledge by growing some more cubes first. I just read about Pan Cyans and that they would be so much better than cubes... Who does not want the best of the best ;-)

I'll think about it. Thank you for the input!


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