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Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in?
#26353236 - 11/30/19 06:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's been 9 days since I spawned to my shoebox tub, and still no pins on the surface. My surface conditions are good because when I shine a light I still see crystal like beads of water and moisture. I'm suspecting I may get tons of side pins, I am using the unmodified tub tek. I spawned straight to fruiting conditions with the lid allowing FAE with a 12/12 light dark cycle, and no liner. I know I should just leave it alone, but I'm trying to negate the effects of side pinning as much as I can. I don't have any bulk substrate left, but I have a bag of vermiculite. My question is it safe and okay to to sprinkle some dry vermiculite on top at this point 9 days in? Whenever I spawned I added a thin layer of my bulk substrate on top, everything seems colonized now, and I was wondering if I could just lightly sprinkle some dry vermiculite on top? Or should I just leave it be?
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26353301 - 11/30/19 07:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It won't hurt it if you do, I personally never put verm in or on the sub, but some people do. It looks like you have knots starting, so I wouldn't try and fix it if it's not broken. If it were my tub I'd let it do its thing, looks like you will have mushrooms within a few days to a week. And there isn't anything wrong with side pins, they are still mushrooms. Good luck.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: MH5109]
#26353335 - 11/30/19 08:04 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Right, they're still going to be mushrooms, but it's not good just for the sides to be pinning and nothing at the surface correct? Isn't that just going to be a huge problem with nothing but side pins and nothing on the top surface? Tons of side pins can ruin tear your substrate block up correct? I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong myself, so I don't know what to do. I did the unmodified (unBODified) tub tek, spawned straight to fruiting, the lid allowing FAE, and 12/12 light dark cycle. Those knots have been there the last few days on the surface with no change, that's my concern, but yet it looks like I'm about to get side pin city...
Edited by DNA_Trip (11/30/19 08:10 AM)
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26353352 - 11/30/19 08:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Be patient, leave it alone. The only thing you'll do by fucking with it is ruin your surface conditions. 9 days isn't long.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: Grimsweeper]
#26353357 - 11/30/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you're saying don't add a sprinkle of dry verm to the surface? Just leave it be still with all the side pinning I am starting to see?
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26353377 - 11/30/19 08:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Side pins won't hurt anything and there's nothing you can do to change anything at this point.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: Grimsweeper]
#26353394 - 11/30/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah dude, just leave it be. Don’t take the lid off either. It looks good
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: Grimsweeper]
#26353427 - 11/30/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You seriously have got too relax dude, I wasn't even half as worried as you and my tub didn't look like yours until around 15 days. And sure as shit 3 days later I got a TON of pins...if you want those side pins, then keep fucking with your tub...otherwise just put your lid on and leave it alone for a week.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26353448 - 11/30/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So that's the thing, I haven't even been fucking with it dude. I made sure not to do anything at all like you chose to - tearing holes, taking lid off, spraying, misting when not needed, whatever all the messing that you said you did. I've been keep mine in the exact same conditions, and just want to ask questions about certain concerns I am having. I haven't fucked with it, it's been chilling with the lid on, and I'm noticing a couple side pins, and trying to find out how to remedy that. Is that such a bad thing or concern to ask? Because I consider fucking and messing around with it to be tearing it apart by drilling holes, misting when you don't need to, and whatever else you did to yours. If your reply isn't going to be helping me in the help I am seeking about the side pins then please don't answer to just pass judgement. I'm taking your mistakes as a learning experience, but this whole thing is a learning experience for everyone, especially us newbies, so there's nothing wrong with wanting to get advice from more highly experienced cultivators about the side pinning I am seeing.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: DNA_Trip] 1
#26353459 - 11/30/19 09:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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There’s never a need to sprinkle anything onto a colonized mono
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26353502 - 11/30/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DNA_Trip said: So that's the thing, I haven't even been fucking with it dude. I made sure not to do anything at all like you chose to - tearing holes, taking lid off, spraying, misting when not needed, whatever all the messing that you said you did. I've been keep mine in the exact same conditions, and just want to ask questions about certain concerns I am having. I haven't fucked with it, it's been chilling with the lid on, and I'm noticing a couple side pins, and trying to find out how to remedy that. Is that such a bad thing or concern to ask? Because I consider fucking and messing around with it to be tearing it apart by drilling holes, misting when you don't need to, and whatever else you did to yours. If your reply isn't going to be helping me in the help I am seeking about the side pins then please don't answer to just pass judgement. I'm taking your mistakes as a learning experience, but this whole thing is a learning experience for everyone, especially us newbies, so there's nothing wrong with wanting to get advice from more highly experienced cultivators about the side pinning I am seeing.
Relax brotha! I was not trying to "pass judgment " or what ever, I dont know why you think i was attacking you, i was/am not..
This is just like 2nd post you've made where you're really worried about your surface conditions and now you were talking about throwing some dry verm ontop...basically it sounds like you are uber worries about it, to the point where you (granted you have not yet) are considering doing unconventional things to mitigate your "problems "
Sorry if you were offended by me telling you need to chill out, IMHO you do...
I'm just trying to save you some of my recent headaches with the anxiety I had over the exact same issues you think your having...hows that such a bad thing?
Sorry of I wasn't more direct about asdressing your side pin "problem" ...
But My advice for your "problem" is still dont fuck with it...that's not passing judgement either...
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26353503 - 11/30/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had like 15 side pins and I was freaking out just like you...the. 2 days later i had a 100 on the top...not too shabby if u ask me.
Have u even seen side pins yet?
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: feldman114] 1
#26353511 - 11/30/19 10:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could but I doubt it would change much if anything
Looks like the top is about to explode with pins too, bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
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feldman114 said: There’s never a need to sprinkle anything onto a colonized mono
Late casing is definitely a thing. And there are definitely good reasons for it. Specifically to prevent blobbing with swpe
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: AyePlus]
#26353517 - 11/30/19 10:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You will be begging for contams at that point OP
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: AyePlus]
#26353524 - 11/30/19 10:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said: You could but I doubt it would change much if anything
Looks like the top is about to explode with pins too, bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
So in other words, dont fuck with it?...
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: Thekd95]
#26353533 - 11/30/19 10:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thekd95 said: You will be begging for contams at that point OP
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: AyePlus]
#26353546 - 11/30/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ha ha I just saw someone ask the same question in an extension of this community the general answer was the same I’m giving to you post pics when you get fruits
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: Thekd95] 1
#26353563 - 11/30/19 10:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dont care where you read it, it’s 110% bullshit.
The only thing that causes contams in properly prepared bulk is contaminated spawn.
Verm is inert and wont ever cause contams. Its a mineral and doesnt have enough nutrition to allow anything to germinate or grow. I regularly add untreated verm straight from the bag to my coir if I prep a little wet due to inconsistencies in the coir, no issues. Once more for the people in the back The only thing that causes contams in properly prepared bulk is contaminated spawn.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: AyePlus]
#26353605 - 11/30/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: AyePlus]
#26353688 - 11/30/19 11:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said: You could but I doubt it would change much if anything
Looks like the top is about to explode with pins too, bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
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feldman114 said: There’s never a need to sprinkle anything onto a colonized mono
Late casing is definitely a thing. And there are definitely good reasons for it. Specifically to prevent blobbing with swpe
Late casing is not sprinkling DRY verm onto a sub.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: feldman114] 1
#26353698 - 11/30/19 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You said:
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feldman114 said: There’s never a need to sprinkle anything onto a colonized mono
Which is what I’m refuting
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There’s never a need to sprinkle dry verm onto a colonized mono
Which I would generally agree with.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: DNA_Trip] 1
#26353713 - 11/30/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DNA_Trip said: So that's the thing, I haven't even been fucking with it dude. I made sure not to do anything at all like you chose to - tearing holes, taking lid off, spraying, misting when not needed, whatever all the messing that you said you did. I've been keep mine in the exact same conditions, and just want to ask questions about certain concerns I am having. I haven't fucked with it, it's been chilling with the lid on, and I'm noticing a couple side pins, and trying to find out how to remedy that. Is that such a bad thing or concern to ask? Because I consider fucking and messing around with it to be tearing it apart by drilling holes, misting when you don't need to, and whatever else you did to yours. If your reply isn't going to be helping me in the help I am seeking about the side pins then please don't answer to just pass judgement. I'm taking your mistakes as a learning experience, but this whole thing is a learning experience for everyone, especially us newbies, so there's nothing wrong with wanting to get advice from more highly experienced cultivators about the side pinning I am seeing.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: AyePlus]
#26353719 - 11/30/19 11:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said: You said:
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feldman114 said: There’s never a need to sprinkle anything onto a colonized mono
Which is what I’m refuting
Not
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There’s never a need to sprinkle dry verm onto a colonized mono
Which I would generally agree with.
How do you “sprinkle” a proper casing? Why would you “sprinkle” a proper casing?
I think it’s obvious what I meant but, by all means, refute away Captain Semantics.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: feldman114]
#26353761 - 11/30/19 12:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just stopping in to say that my tub did not fruit until day 15 or 16. Even then it hardly fruited for two weeks. You should give it some time.
To answer your question about the late casing layer, all I can say is I added a casing layer of pasteurized coir a full month into spawning and it blew up out of nowhere. So it may help, but it might also hurt. I'd say hold off, there's time to add a casing ,if it really is necessary, later.
I'm a noob though, so take that all with a big ol' grain of salt.
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: feldman114]
#26353796 - 11/30/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Tbh it wasnt clear to me. Dont get your panties in a bunch. That literally where my head went. How else would you describe the act of putting on a casing layer on evenly? Do you pour and spread yours?
I like nice thin casing layers and sprinkling describes how I do it perfectly. Casings just trap humidity to make a microclimate for pinning, when you late case you dont want to damage the myc because it should have fully colonized the sub(if you’re trying to “late case” specifically.) you can lay casings at spawning too but if theyre coir based thats more of a top layer than a casing.
Coir will colonize so if all you have is coir and verm the verm would be a better choice IMO. But late casing should happen after full colonization, before pinning but after knotting starts. And usually the myc wont fully colonize even a coir casing,
Tbh OP your timing isnt that far off if you want to late case you could use a little coir or get some jiffy seed starting mix and get it to Field capacity and pasteurize it. Then sprinkle a thin layer on after it cools off, maybe 1/4” at most
I think even if you dont case you’ll get a good pinset so its totally up to you though, and if its not sporeworks PE (swpe)or another blobbing variety. I think its a waste of time
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26353905 - 11/30/19 01:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: feldman114]
#26353967 - 11/30/19 02:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah so I'm not doing anything, I'm leaving it. So sprinkling dry verm is going to do me more harm than good correct?
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: unibrowscowl]
#26354003 - 11/30/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Does it need to be sunlight directly hitting them for the light dark cycle or ambient room light is also well enough?
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: feldman114]
#26354021 - 11/30/19 02:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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AyePlus said:
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There’s never a need to sprinkle dry verm onto a colonized mono
Which I would generally agree with.
How do you “sprinkle” a proper casing? Why would you “sprinkle” a proper casing?
I think it’s obvious what I meant but, by all means, refute away Captain Semantics.
Why sprinkle? How else would you do it?
I "sprinkled" this casing, it seems to have worked . Dumping it in one huge pile and trying to spread it out after is probably a crapshoot, sprinkle a little bit over the whole thing then I level it out, light pressure. 
Late casing, applied purposefully at about 90% colonization, served it's purpose well. I don't really recommend late casing other than this, and yeah I dunno where the dry verm idea came from?
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Re: Okay to add light dry verm layer to monotub 9 days in? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26354532 - 11/30/19 07:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Indirect sunlight or a white/blue light (6500k) works best. I use led white lights. They work good.
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