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Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case?
    #26353039 - 11/30/19 01:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hello All,

I cased two trays of GTs about a week ago, and though the mycelium looks good, from what I've read so far it shouldn't be colonizing my casing layer like this.

Can someone please take a look at these photos and tell me whether or not these should be re-cased, or if I should just leave them alone? It's popping straight up everywhere almost like blades of grass would.

The substrate consists of colonized rye berries and 50/50 coir/verm with some gypsum added. The casing layer is 50/50 peat moss/verm, gypsum, and enough hydrated lime to get the PH back up between a pinch over 7.

Is this something that might happen if I cased the trays too early? My albino GT's are doing great (cased on the same day with the same casing mix), but that tray incubated for a few more days than these ones did. 





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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: MycoMind]
    #26353042 - 11/30/19 01:38 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

the first casing wasn’t really helping so, i’d guess, no


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: san pedro guy]
    #26353055 - 11/30/19 02:11 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Just Leave it, it will be fine.


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: Unknown error]
    #26353080 - 11/30/19 02:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Just Leave it, it will be fine.




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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: fahtster]
    #26353138 - 11/30/19 04:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Mine look exactly as you described yours, like grass poking out.

I'm not too worried about it.



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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: pppp]
    #26353773 - 11/30/19 12:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you guys for the feedback. I just want to be sure here, since this is my first grow. There's so much conflicting information out there that I can't seem to be sure of anything until I try it out for myself.

I've been digging through forums and youtube videos for the last 4 months trying to make sure I was using proper techniques. I'm not a fan of wasting time, so I just tried it all. Figured at least one of the methods had to work.

I ask about this because my albino GT's are doing great (for my first grow from multi-spore, anyways). They look completely different than the larger GT trays though, despite using the same recipes for the substrates and casing layer on both.

The only real differences between the two trays are as follows:

- The standard GT's were spawned to bulk with colonized rye grains.
- Albino's were spawned with BRF cakes that I ground up with a cheese grater.
        (Both were spawned to a 50/50 coir/verm bulk sub mix.)
- Albino bulk tray was incubated (covered up with foil) for 8 days before casing, then after casing layer was added, covered up again for another 2 days (so 10 days total) before being introduced to the fruiting environment.
- The standard GT trays were cased two days after the albino's (so I could use up the casing mix I made as fast possible after pasteurization) but were only incubated for 6 days prior to that.
- Standard GT trays were introduced to the fruiting environment on the same day as the albino's, right after casing was applied (so they only got 6 total days to incubate/colonize after bulk spawning, and those trays are also larger than the albino tray).

Here's a photo of my albino's today vs my standard GT trays. Notice how my albino's didn't colonize the casing layer at all before producing fruits, but my standard GT's did and have yet to produce even a single pin so far.

Albino GT tray this morning.



Standard GT trays this morning.



All trays have been in their fruiting environments for 7 days now. This is why I'm thinking that I simply just cased the standard GT trays too early.

Another item that might be worth noting is the differences in their fruiting environments.

In the albino fruiting chamber I use an aquarium air pump that pumps filtered air through air stones that are placed in a container of distilled water. Also, the additional fan on top goes off for a few minutes every 3 hours to push CO2 and stale air out of the filter port on the side of the tub.



The standard GT fruiting environment is in a much larger tub. It's fed moisture and filtered air every 3 hours by use of a fan that blows (filtered) cool steamy air from a tank above the tub containing distilled water and an ultrasonic humidifier. This method also pushes out CO2 and stale air from filter ports located on either side of the tub.



I figured that since it was my first grow, I'd try multiple different methods of cultivation to see what worked best for me. Both of these seem to work just fine, except that my standard GT mycelium has managed to consume my "non-nutritive" casing layer.

Do you guys still think I should leave these trays alone, or should I at least patch it up with some fresh casing?


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: MycoMind]
    #26353792 - 11/30/19 12:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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MycoMind said:
Thank you guys for the feedback. I just want to be sure here, since this is my first grow. There's so much conflicting information out there that I can't seem to be sure of anything until I try it out for myself.

I've been digging through forums and youtube videos for the last 4 months trying to make sure I was using proper techniques. I'm not a fan of wasting time, so I just tried it all. Figured at least one of the methods had to work.

I ask about this because my albino GT's are doing great (for my first grow from multi-spore, anyways). They look completely different than the larger GT trays though, despite using the same recipes for the substrates and casing layer on both.

The only real differences between the two trays are as follows:

- The standard GT's were spawned to bulk with colonized rye grains.
- Albino's were spawned with BRF cakes that I ground up with a cheese grater.
        (Both were spawned to a 50/50 coir/verm bulk sub mix.)
- Albino bulk tray was incubated (covered up with foil) for 8 days before casing, then after casing layer was added, covered up again for another 2 days (so 10 days total) before being introduced to the fruiting environment.
- The standard GT trays were cased two days after the albino's (so I could use up the casing mix I made as fast possible after pasteurization) but were only incubated for 6 days prior to that.
- Standard GT trays were introduced to the fruiting environment on the same day as the albino's, right after casing was applied (so they only got 6 total days to incubate/colonize after bulk spawning, and those trays are also larger than the albino tray).

Here's a photo of my albino's today vs my standard GT trays. Notice how my albino's didn't colonize the casing layer at all before producing fruits, but my standard GT's did and have yet to produce even a single pin so far.

Albino GT tray this morning.



Standard GT trays this morning.



All trays have been in their fruiting environments for 7 days now. This is why I'm thinking that I simply just cased the standard GT trays too early.

Another item that might be worth noting is the differences in their fruiting environments.

In the albino fruiting chamber I use an aquarium air pump that pumps filtered air through air stones that are placed in a container of distilled water. Also, the additional fan on top goes off for a few minutes every 3 hours to push CO2 and stale air out of the filter port on the side of the tub.



The standard GT fruiting environment is in a much larger tub. It's fed moisture and filtered air every 3 hours by use of a fan that blows (filtered) cool steamy air from a tank above the tub containing distilled water and an ultrasonic humidifier. This method also pushes out CO2 and stale air from filter ports located on either side of the tub.



I figured that since it was my first grow, I'd try multiple different methods of cultivation to see what worked best for me. Both of these seem to work just fine, except that my standard GT mycelium has managed to consume my "non-nutritive" casing layer.

Do you guys still think I should leave these trays alone, or should I at least patch it up with some fresh casing?




Holy shit dude.  This is your first grow?  That's a badass setup. Is that a pump cycling water to maintain humidity?

And I'm assuming the fans are cycling air?

I'm interested to see how well this works out.


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: unibrowscowl]
    #26353916 - 11/30/19 01:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, and yes again... Thank you for the compliment too.

I'm growing for medical purposes, so I went into this in as serious of fashion as I could afford. I didn't have much cash to through at it, so I had to get creative with a lot of things.

I build/rebuild machines and computers as a hobby, plus my boyfriend used to grow weed, so many of the components I needed were already laying around my home.

I'm still working on a fully automated system that's controlled with a Raspberry Pi and Arduino board, but my jars colonized much faster than I thought they would, so instead of getting to finish and use the (much better & safer) system, I had to improvise and plug all of this stuff up to timer outlets.

Currently, my grow chamber is set up in a closet. It's not done yet, but here's what it looks like now...



So far I've also rebuilt a Peltier style wine fridge and modified it to be used as an incubator on the bottom, and a place to keep agar plates on top. It's got two compartments so I kept the top compartment cold.

I'm working on my own version of a laminar flow hood/positive pressure glove box hybrid right now too. I'm trying to design it so you don't have to use such expensive components (such as a large HEPA and blower).

I haven't had the chance to run tests on it since it's not finished, but I'll have it ready soon. I don't want to put out info on something that doesn't work, but if it does work, I'll post it up on here.

The idea is to create a (nice) sterile work environment without having to either spend hundreds of dollars or settle for using a container with holes cut in it.


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: MycoMind] * 1
    #26354016 - 11/30/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

105.6F???!!


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26354028 - 11/30/19 02:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This a PE shoebox, after casing. The casing still seems to colonize quite a bit of the jiffy mix, however it still serves it's purpose (no blobs)



I wouldn't worry about it OP :thumbup:


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26354030 - 11/30/19 02:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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105.6F???!!




:eek:

Damn dude is that thing accurate?


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26354063 - 11/30/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i tried all that fancy shit when i started also and its all in a pile in the garage cuz for cubes you can not and will not out perform a standard monotub and thats a fact jack.


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26354138 - 11/30/19 03:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not necessarily trying to "outperform" anything. I like building things, and since I don't have an entire room to fully dedicate to this, I'm trying to keep the air going into the tubs as clean as possible.

I've got a cat and a dog who are both quite curious about this little project I've got in the closet too. On top of that, I work 10 hours per day and am a full-time college student. These tubs need (clean) FAE and moisture, so I'm mostly just doing what I can to properly provide that on a consistent basis. 

When I started up with my first jars, I did everything I could think of at the time to keep the environment sterile, but in the end, it didn't work out. All 12 of my jars contaminated after over a month's worth of what I thought was successful colonization.

I got a bit of a complex over having to throw away all of the work I did initially, so I over-engineered a bit on the next go-round to try and play it safer. So far, it would seem like things are going quite a bit better than they were before I added all the "fancy" stuff...


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26354153 - 11/30/19 04:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah, lol... No, the temperature reading on it is not accurate. I don't know what happened to the sensor, but it's only giving me accurate readings for humidity. It's been stuck at that temp for a couple of days now.

The tubs are all kept between 75-78 degrees for fruiting.


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26354156 - 11/30/19 04:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

A.k.a said:
105.6F???!!




:eek:

Damn dude is that thing accurate?




Oh yeah, lol... No, the temperature reading on it is not accurate. I don't know what happened to the sensor, but it's only giving me accurate readings for humidity. It's been stuck at that temp for a couple of days now.

The tubs are all kept between 75-78 degrees for fruiting.


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Re: Mycelium taking over casing layer. Should I re-case? [Re: MycoMind]
    #26356379 - 12/01/19 10:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Nice Myco.

I grow for medicinal purposes as well.  You're gonna have microdoses /  doses for days with those three tubs.  I've got a little closet set up as well with a little temperature regulator but that's as fancy as I have gotten.  Been working so far, but you're right, can't be too careful.


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