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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26496411 - 02/21/20 04:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Is it the habit itself or the interaction of the alks in krat not being safe to use during mao inhibition.  ?
Basically what I’m saying is if I skipped a dose for the day would I be good to go


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26496587 - 02/21/20 08:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What I read was suggesting 3 day break but preferably a week.  That’s what other people were saying that sounded smarter than me, I have no idea what the actual facts is..


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Amanita86]
    #26500527 - 02/23/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Ok cool thanks


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: theRealrollforever] * 3
    #26500825 - 02/24/20 02:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I had ~3.5g of baked and ground rue tonight- Sabnock, you're a prince.

No nausea whatsoever (I drank it with a good quantity of 10:1 Lemon Balm extract in addition to ginger tea). Did have quite a bit of gas that made my belly feel too full, and noticed a weird soreness in my left tricep-- maybe some element of vasoconstriction or something.

Markedly different from my harmala crystal extracts. Very...organic. About 4 hours in i re-upped with 225mg of my harmalas.
I extinguished every penny of the 170mg of DMT I had remaining tonight and it was a peaceful pleasure..

It was a good night.

I think I'll increase to 4.5g next time.


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: coAsTal]
    #26500883 - 02/24/20 03:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What was your bake tek?


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Amanita86] * 3
    #26500999 - 02/24/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Based on Sabnock's advice-- I baked in about 1/8" layer on foil in a tray @350 degrees (pre-heated) for 19 minutes. They really do smell like peanut butter with a hint of woody chocolate while they're cooking :pipesmoke:

Ended up filling 9 size "0" capsules-- I also took some food enzymes and had an avocado just before, wishing to buffer the risk of stomach discomfort. It definitely worked-- though I did ultimately had loose stools before bed, this also happens with my extracts, so no worse than usual.

I am going to get me some Gas-X to take with it too-- it nearly eliminates gas bloating when I take shrooms, but it never occurred to me until last night to take it when I dose rue
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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: coAsTal]
    #26504639 - 02/26/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Are there any characteristics you look for to know they’re done or is it just 350 for 19 minutes and that’s that?

How do ya’ll suppose this affects it’s storage life?  What would store better the seeds as they are or the seeds after being roasted?

Any guessed on why roasting them cancels a little of the nausea etc out?


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26504654 - 02/26/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Are there any characteristics you look for to know they’re done or is it just 350 for 19 minutes and that’s that?

How do ya’ll suppose this affects it’s storage life?  What would store better the seeds as they are or the seeds after being roasted?

Any guessed on why roasting them cancels a little of the nausea etc out?




I'm not sure why roasted seeds seems to be easier on the gut, but it definitely seems to be more tolerable. Yesterday i took 3 grams, and then 5 hours later redosed another 3 grams and while it was strong and i did have to poop, i didn't feel the least bit nauseous and didn't vomit, so whatever it does it seems to really help ime so far.

As for storage, i've had the roasted seed powder in a bag for over a year and is the same powder i've been dosing daily for over a week now and it still seems perfectly fine, so it seems to store well.

As for what to look for when roasting, you can tell by the smell of a peanut butter, chocolate, coffee-like kinda smell ime, as well as the color becoming more of a lighter brown color.


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Sabnock]
    #26504673 - 02/26/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Original thought had me wondering if it was just drying out oils or something like that but I’m wondering if some sort of chemical reaction is taking place, similar to how weed decarboxylation takes place at a certain temp.  I don’t know chemistry or the makings of a rue seed well enough to know if that theory holds any weight.

Any way you could snap a pic of a before and after shot of the seeds just so I could have a visual to go on?  I have a concern of letting them go to long and not realizing they’re getting scorched until it’s too late.


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Amanita86]
    #26504713 - 02/26/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Original thought had me wondering if it was just drying out oils or something like that but I’m wondering if some sort of chemical reaction is taking place, similar to how weed decarboxylation takes place at a certain temp.  I don’t know chemistry or the makings of a rue seed well enough to know if that theory holds any weight.

Any way you could snap a pic of a before and after shot of the seeds just so I could have a visual to go on?  I have a concern of letting them go to long and not realizing they’re getting scorched until it’s too late.




If i remember to get a pic in the next few days i'll roast some more seed and get pics to show before and after. As for them getting scorched, yeah gotta keep an eye on em' to make sure they don't burn, but so far about 17 to 19 minutes seems to do fine ime. Yeah i was thinking the same about the oils or some sort of chemical reaction taking place, it'd be interesting to get an analysis done on roasted seed to see if there's a difference in chemical composition.


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Sabnock]
    #26504718 - 02/26/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

What inspired you to roast them?


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Amanita86]
    #26504759 - 02/26/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What inspired you to roast them?




Well i've had the thought before, but i saw some people mentioning to roast the seeds so i gave it a shot and so far i'm pleased with it, probably won't use raw seed again most likely.


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Sabnock]
    #26505785 - 02/27/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just want to say: Epic thread! Learning so much. Nice one guys :thumbup:


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Sabnock]
    #26512352 - 03/02/20 06:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Roasting some up, these smell pretty good.  Now I can’t decide whether to turn the rest into an extract or just roast them.  Roasting is a whole lot easier.  I can’t try them either because I’m on the krat.

If you could only ever have one which would you take, full spectrum extract or roasted seeds?


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Re: Is there any way to take Syrian rue / harmalas and NOT get nausea/purging [Re: Amanita86] * 1
    #26512471 - 03/02/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Roasting some up, these smell pretty good.  Now I can’t decide whether to turn the rest into an extract or just roast them.  Roasting is a whole lot easier.  I can’t try them either because I’m on the krat.

If you could only ever have one which would you take, full spectrum extract or roasted seeds?




Well, full spectrum extract can be more accurately dosed and is overall lighter than the seed, but personally if i had to stick to one, i'd go for the actual seed. Reason being is that for a couple years i was using extracts, full spectrum mainly, and some with purified Harmalas, and while the full spectrum worked pretty well, i did notice that there were aspects to the experience/medicine that i was missing that i had noticed in my early days when using the seed, and so i started going back to using the seed and realized that i prefer the actual seed over the extracts. Extracts are nice for smoking, compared to the seed, but for oral use, i think roasted seed gets the job done well and it'd be all i'd ever need. In fact, i've been quite surprised lately, i've been taking roasted Rue seed powder in capsules daily at 3 grams for over a week, and even dosed 3 grams twice in one day the other day (5 hours apart), and so far no nausea, no gut discomfort, and no vomiting, last night i had 3 grams and i could definitely tell the reverse tolerance has been built up pretty strongly, i was feeling the bodyload pretty heavily and i felt like i could've thrown up if i wanted to, but i had no nausea or gut discomfort and no real reason to throw up other than it feeling like it was getting to be too strong, but i rode it out and all was well, so, so far i still have yet to purge from it since i've started back taking it again recently. Idk if i'm just getting lucky, or if the roasted seed truly makes that much of a difference vs raw seed, but so far, i gotta say, roasted seed seems to be where it's at.


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