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Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? 1
#26352238 - 11/29/19 03:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I harvested about 20 g of Golden Teacher mushrooms a few months ago, and since then have taken them 10 times at anywhere from .15g to 1 g. About 25 yrs ago, I took a larger dose, not sure how much, when I was 18 yrs old and experienced somewhat of a loss of ego, which I found to be helpful.
Tomorrow would be the perfect time to take a higher dose, so I wanted to ask you all for recommendations on a dose which one could take to experience a loss of self, but at the same time be able to communicate with the public without too much difficulty? Or is it virtually impossible to experience loss of ego and be able to speak with a sales clerk without them knowing you are on anything? Normally, I would just do it at home, but my wife is against it for many reasons, so I will have to do it while walking around downtown. Would 3 g be too much for a 235 lb guy?
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Mushroom11941]
#26352258 - 11/29/19 03:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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For most people, walking around downtown is not the ideal setting for a dose in the 3g range. You might be able to function, but that'd be a lot of energy going towards keeping composure as opposed to exploring the experience.
2g might give you what you're looking for, but there's always that chance it'll be far weaker or far stronger than desired.
Set and setting are stressed by most trippers for a reason. I'd find a comfy and safe spot to test out higher doses.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: feevers]
#26352292 - 11/29/19 03:43 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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i'd find a coffee shop in town, bring my laptop and dose up, wait a while until it kicks in enjoying the interwebs then go exploring. what are your plans for the trip? I sometime get into uncontrollable fits of laughter on a good trip and definitely not the best thing to happen in public. I personally enjoy tripping in public though, just make sure you have a way home, Uber and lyft with your adress pre entered is usually a safe bet. and just remember that you're tripping and people really aren't paying as much attention to you as you think if you start getting sketched. if you can find a friend to go with you, even better!
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: 330ci]
#26352337 - 11/29/19 04:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You two make good points in that I probably should keep the dose on the lower side if going out in public. I like the coffee shop idea. I actually am considering a hotel room in the middle of downtown as sort of a safe haven to start out at and maybe just stay there. I plan on checking in at around 9 am and checking out at around 5 pm, so the hotel might wonder why, but oh well. Thanks!
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Mushroom11941]
#26352378 - 11/29/19 04:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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hotels probably not a bad idea, could just as easily go lay in the middle of a park for half a day though and enjoy nature if the weather isn't too bad. i'm sure whatever you come up with will be a good time. I notice many times I plan on staying in for a night trip, first thing I want to do when they kick in is to start exploring so having a central hotel would be perfect. why would you check out so early out of curiosity?
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: 330ci]
#26352406 - 11/29/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would check out so early because my wife would wonder where I am at. It is 35 degrees and no sun where I am at, but otherwise, I would totally do the park thing.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Mushroom11941]
#26352461 - 11/29/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've had ego death while wandering several times and no I can't interact with people normally during that point, first time I was with my wife, best friend and piece of shit brother in law and began to feel myself slipping away and told everyone I was way too high and needed to be guided home and by the time we'd walked a couple of blocks my wife and friend said that they could literally feel me leave and and just sort of walk wherever my wife was guiding me by my hand and the last time was last weekend on 250mcg of 1p-lsd and 10mg psilacetin where I literally lost the ability to tell my mind from reality and eventually had no concept of who or what I was and just kinda followed my wife because it seemed right even though I had no clue who she was, almost too trusting of a state and I likely would have followed anyone because it seemed right...hell I almost lost my walking stick because I didn't know what it was or why it was in my hand. If you plan to dose higher in public don't do it alone and preferably have benzos if things go to shit I carry sublingual lorazepam.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Lophophora] 1
#26352516 - 11/29/19 05:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’ve often wondered if it’s possible to function in the world in the ego dissolution state mushrooms can precipitate, and, honestly, I think it’s unlikely. The ability to even understand what it is “to move” or even what a “foot” is just completely disintegrates. It’s like sense-making breaks down along ability to discriminate any conceivable boundary. We need these things for the game to hold together.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: CountHTML] 1
#26352555 - 11/29/19 06:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah the only way I'm moving during an ego dissolution state is if I'm being guided even on that last time it happened during a walk there were definitely points where I kinda just stopped and damn near dropped to the ground, if I'm already sitting or laying down I'm not getting up or opening my eyes until I'm back as the ego is dissolving things get weird and the body really stops making sense, best way I can describe the experience I remember best is that I thought my blood sugar was tanking so I reached into my pocket for a candy to suck on and suddenly my fingers felt like alien snakes with a mind of their own, I had no control over them and even vocalizing that I needed to go home took an extraordinary amount of effort to put together something that came out like "too high need go home, get me there"
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Mushroom11941]
#26352576 - 11/29/19 06:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushroom11941 said: Would 3 g be too much for a 235 lb guy?
No.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: mushboy] 1
#26352593 - 11/29/19 06:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hugging the floor is usually the only thing to do in the deeper states. You’re usually unable to make sense of where you begin and the floor ends.
Maybe more can be done with training in those states, but I’ve always seen the periodic complete obliteration of reality kind of the point of big doses.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: CountHTML]
#26352599 - 11/29/19 06:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Definitely don't disagree, functioning is damn near impossible when you don't have a true concept of your physical bounds, when I dose high I just tend to lay down with some headphones and the lights off except for the washroom light and a bag in case I can't make it when everything comes up.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Mushroom11941] 1
#26352604 - 11/29/19 06:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushroom11941 said: Tomorrow would be the perfect time to take a higher dose, so I wanted to ask you all for recommendations on a dose which one could take to experience a loss of self, but at the same time be able to communicate with the public without too much difficulty? Or is it virtually impossible to experience loss of ego and be able to speak with a sales clerk without them knowing you are on anything?
For a dose high enough to bring on a loss of ego/self, you will most certainly appear spacey and "out there"/high in any situation where you have to interact with another person. With such doses/experiences like that, coherent talking probably isn't even going to happen.
With a higher dose while experiencing loss of self, even just trying to function in general in public will become quite a task to damn near impossible with out appearing spacey/slow/high....Even with lower doses with the "self" still intact, doing simple tasks like crossing a street or doing a basic transaction with a clerk can become difficult or at least require a lot of effort in remaining engaged with the moment and task at hand.
As dosage increases, the functions of one's cognition will usually start to dissolve along with one's identity/ego/self...awareness of the moment & time as well...The simplest of things can require a lot more effort.
Having an experience of losing "the self" while retaining most of one's typical cognition & abilities just isn't going to happen in my opinion/experience.
If you're trying to dose high enough to potentially have the experience of losing the self/"ego", I would not suggest wondering around downtown while your mind and entire existence has melted lol.
That's the type of experience where you lay down somewhere you feel safe & secure.
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Normally, I would just do it at home, but my wife is against it for many reasons, so I will have to do it while walking around downtown. Would 3 g be too much for a 235 lb guy?
If you don't mind me asking, I'm curious what are some of the reasons your wife is against you taking mushrooms in the safety of your own home?
Personally...I would not want to walk around a downtown area or be anywhere out in public while on 3g of mushrooms lol.
I think most folks would still remain present/functional enough on 3g to be in public if they really had to, but it would require a lot of effort at times and I'm pretty sure most folks would appear spacey & slow & high as fuck while on 3g and trying to interact with & navigate through public spaces & situations.....With that dosage and with mushrooms in general, most folks would likely rather be laying/sitting down somewhere cozy & secure and not anywhere out in a downtown/public area....And I also feel that 3g would be enough to catalyze a loss of self for some people, which in that case the streets is not the place to be when one is "gone".
I'd say at the very least find a park where you can find a cozy spot to lay down and spend some time, bringing a blanket to lay out or something like that...if not then a motel room...or camping somewhere over night....but eating 3g and roaming a downtown area, or even spending the trip in coffee shop, I'd say for most folks that wouldn't be the most comfortable of times..and certainly not the setting that would be conducive to catalyzing a "loss of self".
Personally...The most I would ever want to be on in a public setting is about 2g of cubensis/"average" mushrooms...and even then I would prefer to be in a park (or at something like a gallery or art show or some sort of show/concert), and not on the streets of a downtown area.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: openmind]
#26352629 - 11/29/19 06:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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This, you can't really think when you're gone. You're no longer around to do any thinking let alone function, make decisions or keep yourself safe. I love to explore when I'm tripping balls however I'm definitely not walking around downtown, I'm either walking through the local parks, around my family's cottage in the woods or through the local forests with another person or having a sober person drive me around for a bit where I'm free to open and close my eyes at will while having philosophical discussions and exploring. Always keep a bottle of sublingual lorazepam on me as a rescue med for seizures but also helps if I need to bail on a trip ie bad situation arises and I need to be slightly more functional though groggy. Most I would do alone outside my house is 125mcg of LSD or 1.5-2 grams of shrooms and even then I'd prefer to wait until it's settled in nicely and I know where I'm going.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Lophophora]
#26352687 - 11/29/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You people need to live more.
Best trip of my life was 6g at ozzfest for iron maiden. Just dont act like a freak
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: mushboy]
#26352706 - 11/29/19 07:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You may be able to handle that, I'm not ashamed to admit that I doubt I could. I took 300mcg of acid at a local blackened doom show until I couldn't handle it and had to go home, different people respond differently.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Lophophora]
#26352778 - 11/29/19 08:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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different drugs
and i didnt mean it that way. but especially with shrooms? the risk is half the fun
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: mushboy]
#26352797 - 11/29/19 08:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find shrooms way harder to handle than LSD, hell ayahuasca is easier to handle for me than shrooms though I'm completely paralyzed for 3 hours when I dose that. To me the risk is ending up is one of the dark trauma ridden realms of my mind and I mean that's not a bad place to go but I definitely want to be in the comfort of my own home when I go there.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Lophophora]
#26353155 - 11/30/19 05:06 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Please allow me to go on a tangent and play devil's advocate. For those of you who were basicaly incoherent and could barely communicate or walk, would you do it again? If so, what would be the reason? Do you find that you see things differently or are changed in some aspect after the trip? To someone who has only taken low doses, taking a heroic dose of 5g+ seems to be similar to getting really drunk-one does not remember it, and oftentimes gets sick. There must be a net gain from taking 5g+ doses, but I was hoping to learn what it may be.
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Re: Possible to experience a loss of self and interact "normally" with the public? If so, # of grams? [Re: Mushroom11941] 1
#26353224 - 11/30/19 06:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushroom11941 said: To someone who has only taken low doses, taking a heroic dose of 5g+ seems to be similar to getting really drunk-one does not remember it, and oftentimes gets sick. There must be a net gain from taking 5g+ doses, but I was hoping to learn what it may be.
There is no comparison to alcohol and psychedelics-- none.
High dosage trips are different things to different people. I've experienced many types of heavy trip-- Aya, shrooms, DMT, Mescalin, Harmalas + DMT-- the "gain" is in the beholder and how you come through it.
I've had nightmare scenarios that locked me in an eternity of panicked paralysis-- unable to process what was happening. Unable to redeem the moment. Dread. I wouldn't wish it on a soul-- but it is a facet of existence, and as with all types of trauma, coming out on the other side (and the honest forfeit of any notion of bravado) has helped shape me into a better person-- even if only to know where the edges of the road are so I can avoid them in normal life more thoughtfully.
I've also had such awe-inspiring epiphanic bliss heaped upon me that I know heaven is on earth-- right here inside me.
One important thing you'll find here is that most of us older people have gone through many stages of our relationship with these plants-- the youthful daring and invincibility, the philosopher, the existential questions, the setting of ones life on a path purposefully using these tools to help gain context and learning, and so on--
Every type of stage can benefit or fall apart under heavy doses-- it's unique to you and your moment, your intention, and your internal honesty to determine how such things go for you.
One thing is certain-- you deal with serious magic when going deep-- it absolutely can be dangerous-- and I'm grateful looking back that I had so many good people here at the Shroomery and other places online to saturate my understanding (as best as you can from the outside) so that I went in truly prepared.
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