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OfflineBuckomcdoogle
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Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009)
    #26351544 - 11/29/19 07:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Feeling restless, here's the story of my "Acid experience"
So i'm just going to start by saying, that "Family L" is no fucking joke.

At the time I was living in Seattle, there was this hippie trap house I was staying in.
The deal was, bring something to share and you get to sleep on the floor.
It was good enough for me, I was 19 and just wanted to get fucked up and enjoy life.

The people in charge were "GDF elders" These guys had been been around. They weren't lying, they had the tattoos and the pictures to prove it.

I had initially met these people just selling dime bags and footballs in the park.
They would jam out at CAL and occasionally I would join them and smoke a bowl or two.

At the time I was just couch surfing.

It was a sunny December day, cold though. We all decided to go hang out at the park and see if we could make some money.

The oldest guy (lets call him dingo)apparently had gotten a couple of fresh sheets of blotter from San-Francisco.
They where beautiful....

Like a work of art, they both had this beautiful psychedelic image of a tree with deep roots.

Dingo was selling them for 8$ each, they were claimed to be 150ug doses, but who really knows.
I had sold a couple of bags of weed and had a few extra dollars.
Dingo offered me 5 for 30, I was curious, at that time I really didn't have much experience with psychedelics other than low dose mushrooms and habitual weed smoking.
How could I refuse...

He busts out a pair of scissors and cuts me 5 squares (Now I dont know why, but I half expected them to be bunk.)
Being 19, I thought I could handle it no problem and STUPIDLY took 3..
I wanted to get really really high >.>

Chewed em up and swallowed em, completely tasteless.
Not 15 minutes after I dropped, There was a consensus that we should all head over to VTr park which was about a mile from where we were.
At that point dingo and his lady started talking about tripping and on the way there, they both dropped.

Maybe 20-30 minutes later we were walking by the QFC, about 15 of us grungy looking motherfuckers and 3 pit bulls waiting outside while a couple of the group grabbed some beers, By this time I was getting impatient, felt nothing. My brain kept telling me, "Dingo screwed you man, shits bunk"

Once we got to VTr park we all gathered at the amphitheater.
I started felling a bit funny... Not really in a way I could describe.
I asked one of my companions for a cigarette......

I lit it..... When I took a puff... The cigarette seemed like it suddenly burned down the nub in a split second.
I looked at it again only to notice.... it was barely burned.....
Huh...

Funny enough everyone else in the group noticed my reaction and knew exactly what was up.
Not 5 minutes after that, I started feeling this very strange sensation of.... Sound waves hitting the back of my head????
I was in trouble and I didn't know it yet...

It started getting cold... It was around 5 in the afternoon.
Now im not exactly sure what compelled me to wander off from the group.... Might have been my sketchy company....

At his point im starting to trip really hard, and what scared me was, every 10-30 seconds in seemed like it was getting incrementally stronger...

At this point the closed eye visuals were crystal clear......
When I would close my eyes I would see these beautiful diamond shaped multi colored geometric patterns.
Not 5 minutes after that my vision started melting....
Now this is when it started to get very scary/dark.

The sun was going down.... I was all alone... and it was getting very cold.
I headed back to where the group was hanging out only to find, they had left...

This is when I started getting really scared.
I had two options, head back to the rippy haphouse and risk there being nobody there and being locked out in the cold.
Or take the bus to the south end and and crash at my bros house.
The visuals at this point were becoming a bit too much.

As I was walking to the bus stop,I closed my eyes..... and saw this crystal clear mirror image of myself.
(I was wearing this zip up bomber coat and a dark hood (Ghetto camo)

It was literally like looking in a mirror, and what really scared me was my face was melting...

I eventually get to the 49 to take me downtown so I could catch a bus to the south end. On my way into downtown Seattle right on 3rd there was some kind of fight or something.

I look out the window and see this little 150 lb kid take a swing at a cop only to be instantly dropped to the ground and..... I didnt hallucinate this, I watched his teeth fall out of his head....

I get off the bus, and now its really getting cold.
I was waiting at the bus stop and I got this sudden overwhelming feeling.... If I didnt get something to drink... I would die. Lol

I get on the bus, it was crowded, it felt like everyone was staring at me.
(Never trip in public without sunglasses, everyone stares at you and assumes you're a tweaker... not pleasant)
I started feeling very anxious I wanted it to be over now..

I THINK WAS I DISLIKE MOST ABOUT ACID IS THAT IT LASTS 10+ HOURS, IF YOU START GETTING UNCOMFORTABLE IN THE SECOND HOUR YOU JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, THERE'S NO SOBERING YOURSELF UP AND THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO IS CALL AN AMBULANCE AND GET SENT TO THE PSYCHE WARD FOR 72 HOURS..

There was this fresh of the boat African guy sitting next to me (Seattle has a huge population of Somalians and Ethiopians) and after the bus got going, he politely asks me if I can dial his friend for him.
I like helping people out...
I try to dial the number and my fingers simply weren't working, After a few minutes of trying, (This guy barely speaks English) puts his hands on my shoulder, looks into my dilated pupils (I look like a fucking cartoon character at this point...)
says to me (Its okay maannn, Its okay maan)

A few minutes after that I got off the bus...
If I don't get something to drink soon.... I'm going to die...

I walk into the rite aid... grab a gatorade only to notice....
There's once register open with about 10 people in line....

The florescent lights started to give me anxiety so I just left.
I was trying to cross the street to go back to the bus stop.
It seemed like I was standing there for hours... only to notice, the crosswalk button was smashed out....
At this point im starting to panic, it was really really cold and I had this creeping sense of impending doom.

There was a mcdonalds across the street... I ran through the traffic, now this is one of those really ghetto trappy mcdonalds where there 3-4 grown men standing around out front selling shard/crack/dope.
I go in... and I just wanted a drink, I was about to die....

There was this twacked out 300+lb lady freaking out at the cashier
I couldnt handle it....

I started having a panic attack, bad, I took one of my footballs then..

I dodged traffic again to go the the subway on the other side of the street...

I go in there, and there's this little mexican guy making the slowest order ive ever seen....

It seemed like I was waiting forever... My panic turned to desperation.
I threw 3 dollars on the counter grabbed a powerade and ran the fuck out of there....

The bus happened to pull up right as I got to the bus stop.

I started having this introspective thought loop about...

"THE WORLD IS SO FULL OF RIDICULOUS STUPIDITY...."

Before I knew it I was at my friends house only to find....
He was not home....
At this point im really scared....
It felt like I couldn't breathe, my heart was beating so fast...
Not two minutes after that.... I get a phone call from dingo, saying they had just gotten back to the house, I told him how scared I was.

"I feel like Im going to die"

20 minutes later a car pulls up, dingo jumps out, runs up to me and gives me one of the most appreciated hugs ive ever had in my life.

At this point im really not feeling good, I had been sitting around out in 30 degree weather for many hours.
The fucked up thing was, I really couldnt tell if it was cold or not anymore.
Dingo lit up a J in the car and for the rest of the night we all just stayed up talking.

Now it might have been the benzos I was taking back then, but for weeks after that I had reoccurring panic attacks, I couldnt take 2 puffs of weed without having a full blown panic attack, which had never happened to me before. Weed had never done that to me.

After that, I got on a train and went back to my aunts house out in the sticks.
took me about a month to feel normal again.

That experience really just made me appreciate being sober and being able to function normally.
It also woke me up to how temporary and fragile everything really is.

I have not touched pills sense.

Ultimately there came some positivity from that negative experience.

"A mind is a terrible thing to lose"


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
the only consistency throughout the world, and the universe is
chaos and decay"
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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26351572 - 11/29/19 07:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like a good trip to me. I was a 20 minute drive home, had just picked up tabs, all I needed to do was grab cigarettes, and go home and enjoy my trip. So I popped 5 tabs expecting them to really take hold after I got home. I made it to the liquor store down the road, forgot why I was there, talked to my buddy for a few minutes, finally told him I had to bail cuz I was about to blast tf off. made it to my driveway and everything just started breathing and shifting trees looked like they were from minecraft they were so pixelated looking. Never underestimate the L lmfao Never played Acid roulette again after that. but yeah, dingo should've never let you out of his sight. would suck being stuck in the cold tripping, although after it really takes hold I rarely ever notice the temperature unless i'm sweating bullets.


Edited by 330ci (11/29/19 07:37 AM)


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26352732 - 11/29/19 07:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would NEVER do it again
I don't enjoy tripping for 10 hours

4-5 on fungus is perfect


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
the only consistency throughout the world, and the universe is
chaos and decay"
"Logic leads to nihilism"



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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle] * 1
    #26352844 - 11/29/19 09:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Man write a book already.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: FungiMaster]
    #26353227 - 11/30/19 06:51 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Im actually working on it, this is about .5% of what I got.
That text could have been 3x longer, I was trying to be concise..


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
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chaos and decay"
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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26353240 - 11/30/19 07:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I can understand that, I put off trying L for years because I "didn't have time to be tripping for 10 hours straight." and after trying DMT I knew psychedelics were more than just something to be used for a good time. I took 1 hit my first time and it was more than enough to rock my world. at this point thoguh I am used to riding trips out into the next morning listening to music and meditating. when I first started tripping and I couldn't fall asleep it would drive me a little crazy, i've come to enjoy it though.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26353333 - 11/30/19 08:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Great read, I'm glad that Dingo came to the rescue. I don't like tripping in public around people... scares me for some reason. I do like tripping in nature but that would have to be away from strangers.

What's GDF?


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: kate148]
    #26353653 - 11/30/19 11:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"Grateful Dead Family"


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: daysbetween] * 2
    #26353746 - 11/30/19 12:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

daysbetween said:
"Grateful Dead Family"




As well as my stopping point when reading a trip report


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: feevers]
    #26353956 - 11/30/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well yeah, should probably be moved to Trip Reports as that's what it is.  I liked it though, lots of detail.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: feevers]
    #26354104 - 11/30/19 03:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)


I get that there are a lot of posers.
But for a long time the Grateful dead was the front for Americas drug culture.
Those people are definitely still around, most of them are addicted to heroin though.


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE (HIPPY) MAFIA


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"Nothing is more dangerous to your creativity than comfort and familiarity"

"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
the only consistency throughout the world, and the universe is
chaos and decay"
"Logic leads to nihilism"



Edited by Buckomcdoogle (11/30/19 03:39 PM)


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: kate148]
    #26354109 - 11/30/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, set and setting are fundamental.

Dropping acid and wandering around Seattle was very very stupid of me.


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
the only consistency throughout the world, and the universe is
chaos and decay"
"Logic leads to nihilism"



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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26354110 - 11/30/19 03:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You have a very strong mind if you can fall asleep on acid.


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
the only consistency throughout the world, and the universe is
chaos and decay"
"Logic leads to nihilism"



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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26354120 - 11/30/19 03:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

lol I can't fall asleep on acid, I can lay down and shut my eyes for a few hours but my mind is very much awake during that time. I was saying when I first started using acid, after I peaked I would generally try to go to sleep and couldn't and it would drive me crazy. now I enjoy riding it out listening to music and reflecting a bit.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26354904 - 12/01/19 02:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Dam i can relate so much with that story i was trying to keep my shit together infront my little brother and older sister after dropping a 300 ug tab after my tolerance went down (one heck of a 21st birthday that was!!) did i mention this was at night¿ i kept looking at my hands i was swearing up and down that those weren’t my freaking hands then when i started peaking ( at this point the only thing i can say about the visuals were they became in every aspect COMPLETELY WONKY(im talking about some dr.suess type shit the doors stretched onto the ceiling the walls started curving hard asf!!!) i looked into the mirror several times and my face was changing shapes and texture shit was borderline terrifying!) I considered calling an ambulance but was like if i made this dumb decision ima ride it out. I was having panic Attacks off weed for days and this happened-at the beginning of November so im still feeling the anxiety sometimes.it feels as if the acid told me “you smoke too dam much and you need a better job but you cant get it because u smoke so ill force you to stop smoking!” At the same time i learned alot from acid it taught me/scared me/reassured me and made me open my eyes to all the opportunities i let fly past me.i am grateful to it but still recovering lol do your weed highs feel different? Could you explain a little more bro please? My high feel borderline psychedelic now its not a problem but i get headaches sometimes when i smoke now make me feel like my heAds about to explode and also how do your mushroom trips feel now?


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Mariochi64]
    #26354918 - 12/01/19 02:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well... they say the brain activity of people who are on psychedelics namely tryptamines closely resembles people with Psychosis.
It really is like temporarily going crazy.

This is one of the reasons that scientists are investigating drugs like Psilocybin or LSD for their ability to help us understand mental illnesses

Psychosis-
"A mental disorder characterized by disconnection from reality which results in strange behavior often accompanied by perception of stimuli (voices, images, sensations) and other hallucinations.."

You need to let your brain heal man

Whenever you alter your cognitive function on a daily basis it will eventually start to change how your brain works.

Lay off the smoke for a while man, thats what I ended up having to do.

That was pretty much the only time in the last 15 years ive stopped smoking for a period of time.

I think the thing that scared me most about my experience was the fear that I had gone crazy/really fucked up my brain.

Anyone who tells you LSD doesnt cause brain damage is full of shit.

I know a man who sees rainbows bleed out of bright lights, apparently ate a 10 strip one time and had never been the same since.

Psychedelics are not physically dangerous.....
But they can be very psychologically dangerous.

If you take too much.... and you are not mentally strong enough to handle it.... you will go crazy.

Theres a guy like that in every town in America....

As for fungus.....
It sounds like there might be some personal shit that you need to deal with before psyches will be enjoyable for you again.

You dont need to trip nuts to have a rewarding experience, I very much enjoy eating a gram or two of cubes and playing guitar for 5 hours.


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"Nothing is more dangerous to your creativity than comfort and familiarity"

"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
the only consistency throughout the world, and the universe is
chaos and decay"
"Logic leads to nihilism"



Edited by Buckomcdoogle (12/01/19 02:40 AM)


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26355197 - 12/01/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hey slow down there buckaroo, as a psych student and as an intern at a psychiatric ward
i have to say that acid is a great tool, and by sayin that it causes brain damage
you are making a unsubstantiated claim on the subject, some trips can be traumatic, and subjects tend to
not want to return to that experience, but ill just leave this here.

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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: zios]
    #26355221 - 12/01/19 09:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

:whathesaid:


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26355233 - 12/01/19 09:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

my guess is that dude didn't eat a 10 strip of acid. only person i've met who was ever permanently psychologically fucked up from a trip used 25i. I have a pretty well documented mental history at this point and use psychedelics regularly plenty of therapeutic benefits. Everyones different obviously, but back your statements up with some scientific evidence when you're going to throw around statements like that.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26355348 - 12/01/19 10:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I've personally taken very large doses of LSD and for a long period of my early adult life, I wasn't OK for a long time. Not completely fucked, but experienced years of PTSD-like symptoms from one very traumatic experience. Bouts of irrational fear. Panic attacks. Paranoia. Time and patience healed it. It ended up being the most important event in my life, as far as personal development.

I didn't touch anything psychoative, save for the occasional drink, for about 20 years. It was only recently that I began experimenting again.

Make no mistake about it - what you're risking is your sanity. Don't take it for granted!

Overall, this was another one of those "bad trip" stories that makes me a little anxious, just reading it. Bad set, bad setting, no serious intention, no safety considerations at all. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT preaching. I've been there. But, one can fairly consistently create a very troubling, out of control experience w/ the wrong conditions.

I no longer take any significant doses in public - even the great outdoors. I also don't take them in the company of others, safe for my SO who is the one I love and trust the most. Even then, I "approach it with knees knocking" as Mr. McKenna used to like to say.

Personally, I feel like LSD is far more unpredictable and far less forgiving than Psilocybin, especially in the high dose ranges. I'm also unable to mix Cannabis with psychs, without experiencing way, way too much sensory input. This very well just might be my psycho-chemical makeup. We're all different.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: superwhitedolemite]
    #26355386 - 12/01/19 11:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

i'm aware this type of stuff happens, but the stories of people thinking they're a glass of orange juice about to tip over or see rainbows from lightbulbs is fearmongering BS, If these things happened as regularly as they're reported noone would be touching psychs including me. There's plenty that can go wrong tripping, psychosis can result from just about any drug. However a very bold statement was made, and I personally think that he should back it up with some scientific studies if it's so absolute.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: zios]
    #26355431 - 12/01/19 11:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

"I've personally taken very large doses of LSD and for a long period of my early adult life, I wasn't OK for a long time. Not completely fucked, but experienced years of PTSD-like symptoms from one very traumatic experience. Bouts of irrational fear. Panic attacks. Paranoia. Time and patience healed it. It ended up being the most important event in my life, as far as personal development."

Remember when i said.....
"If YOU are not mentally strong enough to handle it, YOU will go crazy"

I think it has more to do with the individual than the drug itself.

With that said a bad trip on acid lasting 10 hours can be VERY VERY traumatizing

Psyches might bring some things to the surface that you arent ready to confront.....


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
the only consistency throughout the world, and the universe is
chaos and decay"
"Logic leads to nihilism"



Edited by Buckomcdoogle (12/01/19 01:27 PM)


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26355436 - 12/01/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Think about it though..... Back in the 60s... there were 1000ug doses floating around.....

People ABSOLUTELY WERE freaking out and ending up in the psycheward

Imagine if i was 19 in 1965 and ate 3 1000 ug.....

Im not going to lie, in probably be on a funny farm right now.


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"Nihilism is the most basic truth in existence,
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chaos and decay"
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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: superwhitedolemite]
    #26355438 - 12/01/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thats what happened to me 2 <3


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26355576 - 12/01/19 01:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The vast majority of mentally ill people have never done psychedelics.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26355590 - 12/01/19 01:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I agree.
But you could say that everyone has some kind of mental illness to some degree..
be it depression, anxiety, ocd, substance abuse..... etc etc...

Even people who seem "Normal"


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26355635 - 12/01/19 02:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Buckomcdoogle said:
Think about it though..... Back in the 60s... there were 1000ug doses floating around.....







I highly highly doubt that.






Quote:

Buckomcdoogle said:


Anyone who tells you LSD doesnt cause brain damage is full of shit.







LSD absolutely DOES NOT cause brain damage :rolleyes: .

Why do you believe LSD causes brain damage?...And by what mechanism do you believe it does so?


LSD has actually be found to cause the total opposite of "brain damage"....LSD has been found to promote neurogenesis and neuroplasticity, basically promoting the growth of new cells and creating new connections and helping a brain to restructure itself.






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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: openmind]
    #26355697 - 12/01/19 02:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You dont think so?

Before 65 if you were a chemistry major you could learn how to make it at university....

Thats how most of the LSD gurus learned.

Lord knows how much youd dose yourself with licking those early sugar cubes....


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26355707 - 12/01/19 02:36 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)







    Quote:
    Buckomcdoogle said:


    Anyone who tells you LSD doesnt cause brain damage is full of shit.






"LSD absolutely DOES NOT cause brain damage :rolleyes: .

Why do you believe LSD causes brain damage?...And by what mechanism do you believe it does so?


LSD has actually be found to cause the total opposite of "brain damage"....LSD has been found to promote neurogenesis and neuroplasticity, basically promoting the growth of new cells and creating new connections and helping a brain to restructure itself."




But its like I was saying earlier in the thread, I think it has more to do with the individual that anything else.

Are YOU mentally strong enough to handle it?????

DO you have some kind of predisposed issues that might become really bad if you have an overly intense experience?

I had never had a panic attack until doing LSD


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26355746 - 12/01/19 03:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Man taking a lot of acid is a waste I think, since a little bit does a lot


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: FungiMaster]
    #26356117 - 12/01/19 07:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

yeah but when you can buy $50 worth of acid and meet god, it seems like a bargain lmfao I personally have the most fun on 1-3 tabs, but when I take 500ug+ it really gives me an out of body experience.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26356136 - 12/01/19 07:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hell yeah man, if you have a decent source and use it responsibly.

Its really more of a labor of love than anything else, kind of like with good traditional hashish.

Anyone who makes L could make MDMA or METH considerably easier and make way more money.

I am a believer that if you really want to "meet god" eat some tryptamines in a beautiful natural environment.

I quit a very toxic job at the end of the summer, feeling really depressed and worn down, I spent a week eating mushrooms down by the river and playing guitar.
After that
I felt like a new man <3


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26356142 - 12/01/19 07:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It might be some really hippie dippie shit, but much like
Mr William Pickard

I really do think that when something like that is created, there is a karma with it.

Was this produced with bad/selfish intentions?

Or was it produced to share beautiful experiences with the world..


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26356291 - 12/01/19 09:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Meth and MDMA might be easier to make but it's a completely different market. LSD is definitely a niche, but gaining in popularity again, and it's extremely cheap to make as well as long as you have steady supply to ingredients which ergotamine seems to be in abundance in belgium. there's a handful of people supplying the whole world with LSD, how many meth labs are discovered in the US alone every year? I'd imagine LSD is just as lucrative, and I personally wouldn't feel like a piece of shit dealing it. couldn't say the same for meth and mdma


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26356346 - 12/01/19 09:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I was always of the belief that the precursors for LSD were heavily watched and regulated by the dea.

Im sure the lab equipment alone costs a small fortune.

Not to mention, You might end up like (One of my heroes)
Who is serving consecutive life sentences.......
(I WISH I COULD POST A PICTURE OF HIM HERE)

Cause in the eyes of the government....

"Selling a highly dangerous adulterated substance (NBOMES n shit)
to an 8 year old
Is the same as selling a highly pure very safe substance to a grown man..............................................................."
----x HEAD OF THE DEA.........

Every serious tripper/hippie should know MR. pickard, he was a hero and a martyr for what he believed in <3

If I ever have the ability to do so, I would love to go visit him...
They say Pickards doses are still floating around out there.... and he was busted in 2000...


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26356679 - 12/02/19 05:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

precursurs for any drug are, the difference between LSD and Meth is that you can buy precursors for Meth just about anywhere. Ergotamine, not so much. but DEA is the USA, once you get outside our borders, the world becomes your oyster. people are either smuggling in precursor to avoid detection or just shipping lsd over from europe at this point. Alot of people who study organic chemistry synthesize LSD as a sort of right of passage. Lab equipment can be had cheap as fuck if you know where to look though. I bought $50k retail worth of random pieces of scientific tubing for less than $500 and was stoked as hell when I got roughly $.05-10 cents on the dollar for it and it was all brand new still. even at retail I can't imagine it costing more than a few thousand to build a decent set up, production costs for lab equipment has gone down since the 60's if anything and people were supplying the nation out of labs set up in closets back then


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26356730 - 12/02/19 06:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Damn man. Sounds like a fucking dummy mission to be honest. But we've all made mistakes and I feel like we learn the most from the hardest ones. At least, leave a dent that we can appreciate.

This is the last time I took mushrooms: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26248225

Give it a read if you like. But I too state, the thing I learned most from that trip is how much I enjoy being sane. I feel like we take a normal functioning brain for granted. I agree with this completely. That's where it hit home for me is when I read that last part. Couldn't agree more.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26357280 - 12/02/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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You dont think so?

Before 65 if you were a chemistry major you could learn how to make it at university....

Thats how most of the LSD gurus learned.

Lord knows how much youd dose yourself with licking those early sugar cubes....






OK...But none of that has anything to do with 1000mcg doses :shrug: .

No doubt there were some potent doses going around back then and in general doses were more potent then than they are today, but I highly doubt 1mg doses were going around.

I forget where I saw some of the #s from some of the stuff that was tested and going around back in the 60s/70s....but IIRC, most doses back then were around 150mcg to 250mcg....And IIRC the classic "orange sunshine", which was known for standing out as potent doses back in the day, was around 300mcg.







Quote:

Buckomcdoogle said:


Quote:

"LSD absolutely DOES NOT cause brain damage :rolleyes: .

Why do you believe LSD causes brain damage?...And by what mechanism do you believe it does so?


LSD has actually be found to cause the total opposite of "brain damage"....LSD has been found to promote neurogenesis and neuroplasticity, basically promoting the growth of new cells and creating new connections and helping a brain to restructure itself."






But its like I was saying earlier in the thread, I think it has more to do with the individual that anything else.

Are YOU mentally strong enough to handle it?????

DO you have some kind of predisposed issues that might become really bad if you have an overly intense experience?

I had never had a panic attack until doing LSD





If LSD caused brain damage then it would do it to everyone, it would not "depend on the individual".

Having a panic attack doesn't relate to brain damage in anyway. Just because you had a panic attack while on LSD or after taking LSD that doesn't mean the LSD caused brain damage :rolleyes:  .

Being "mentally strong enough" has nothing to do with whether a drug is causing brain damage or not...

...none of that relates to or has anything to do with LSD causing brain damage. :shrug:








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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: openmind]
    #26357740 - 12/02/19 06:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ive heard of people saying it opens up pathways in your brain that werent there before.

You seem pretty experienced.

In all of you time taking LSD and psyches you never had ANY lasting visuals????

HPPD certainly is not a myth....
Theres been way too many people ive read up on, (HERE AND ON BL)
That have talked about it happening to them

I remember for weeks after that it seemed like I was kind of still seeing visuals when lying in bed at night..


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: superwhitedolemite]
    #26358320 - 12/03/19 03:23 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Excuse me but exactly what were the dosages you took? My highest has been 600 ug but that wasn't the bad trip it was after i left my tolerance go down and i dropped a single tab (300 ug) is when it fucked me over


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Mariochi64]
    #26358328 - 12/03/19 03:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Does anyone really know?

Thats why I favor fungus....
Any time someone tells you their tabs are a certain ug they are really just talking out of their ass.

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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26358341 - 12/03/19 03:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You have a point I’ve left L alone and weed trynna get my shit together but i would like to know who the highest or how many tabs were dropped by you and the guy i asked i was told they were 300 ug but dam tht last one hit so fucking hard mann i thought i had a tumor or PTSD,HPPD( i do see swirling patterns but i have always seen visual snow even before i took psyches but the patterns aren't severe they explode when i get tired and things start to warp “slightly” but this could be my insomnia from
Quitting cannabis I've only been able to get about 5hrs of sleep due to that shit and the HPPD or sleep deprived hallucinations make it annoying asf sometimes not to mention the dam afterimages i think lucy made me forget i saw all these things from the jump ya know?


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Mariochi64]
    #26358350 - 12/03/19 04:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Nobody really knows man, I think the hardest Ive ever tripped was off 2.5 of cyanescens, They were exceptionally strong.....


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Mariochi64]
    #26358488 - 12/03/19 06:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Excuse me but exactly what were the dosages you took? My highest has been 600 ug but that wasn't the bad trip it was after i left my tolerance go down and i dropped a single tab (300 ug) is when it fucked me over



Its always the sneaky ones that really fuck you good. That's the thing with psychedelics.. all it takes is that one.. and its usually the dose you think.. "meh.. have a good little time".


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26358491 - 12/03/19 06:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Does anyone really know?

Thats why I favor fungus....
Any time someone tells you their tabs are a certain ug they are really just talking out of their ass.

How do you measure something that is active in the millionths of a gram range



I just don't trust things regardless. Espically these days. People are so shitty. It's a damn shame.

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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26358498 - 12/03/19 06:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

you take a large ammount of product, Dilute it in a solution and lay it or sell vials. that's why tabs from the source are generally sold with a + or - 10ug range when you buy tabs on the DW. pretty simple. Just because you don't understand doesn't mean people are talking out their ass.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26358701 - 12/03/19 08:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

How do you measure something that is active in the millionths of a gram range




Basic chemistry.  Dissolved in solution it will be equally distributed and you can measure the volume then.

But yeah, the numbers aren't going to be exact and most people on the street are probably just saying made up numbers.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26359483 - 12/03/19 04:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You think the people who are laying these sheets are the same people out there and slinging them>>???


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26359626 - 12/03/19 05:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

when i'm buying pure ass bottles of liquid from europe off the DW? fo sho, off the sexy chick with dreads who trips multiple times a week>? hell naw


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26359641 - 12/03/19 05:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You are one of the privileged few to have a source like that...
I bet most of the people who take LSD on this forum get it from some kind of shady person......

I had a very reliable hook up for a while where I could get a vial 10,000 ug for 400$

What stopped me from doing it was a negative experience I had in the past......

That and the fear of  accidentally dosing myself with wayyyyy too much


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26359653 - 12/03/19 05:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I mean I hit some bitch driving earlier tripping balls, just popped another gel tab to get over the fact the police found me and charged me with fleeing the scene of an accident. if I could get 10mg for $400 I totally would. 500 ug for $50 is enough to get me in trouble though... just cost me a couple grand


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26359657 - 12/03/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Go hang out with older hippies..... you might get lucky


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26359665 - 12/03/19 05:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I took 1 hit of acid and just got myself in more trouble than I care to deal with, i'm probably due for a break.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26360284 - 12/04/19 01:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Has anyone ever broke their roaches down to the last piece of cigar wrapped around it and cut it and lined their blunt with it¿ don’t ask me why this was asked and also i know its off-topic.


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Mariochi64]
    #26360289 - 12/04/19 01:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Stick all those fuckers in a grinder and roll em up......


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26360290 - 12/04/19 01:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Youll get high af, but that gross resin high... lol


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: Buckomcdoogle]
    #26360299 - 12/04/19 01:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

reminds me of highschool xD, waste not want not though, I usually unpack them and snap hit em through my bong


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Re: Stupid 19 yr old took 3 family fluffs (Seattle 2009) [Re: 330ci]
    #26360751 - 12/04/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thought i was one of the few  Jackasses to do that (thank god) this is also off topic asf but what type of fungi you guys tripped off of? Only thing i have under my belt is cubes, and atl stones ( them stones are not to be underestimated:0) My pans started pinning but so did Mr.penicillium >.< shit blew the fudge outta me a whole month down the drain.


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