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Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood
    #26350949 - 11/28/19 05:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Habitat:
Wood chips in Northern California.

Here are images of it: https://imgur.com/a/Wtq6V2J


Here are some more pictures: https://imgur.com/a/xgu3bhO
http://imgur.com/a/1lVh52R

Here is a Spore print of the three caps in the lower right-hand corner: http://imgur.com/a/VPTvZAn

Here are more Spore prints: http://imgur.com/a/Tn2EHUm
http://imgur.com/a/yGTwKmK

I'm pretty terrified I can have a mixture of something psychoactive and gallerina. Should I get an ID on each and everyone?


Edited by shroomaway69 (11/30/19 11:03 AM)


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26350972 - 11/28/19 06:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I hate to bust your bubble....but I think you got your hands on a bunch of gallerina sp. TI should be here soon though and throw in an opinion.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26350989 - 11/28/19 06:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The pics you have that are close up shots of mushrooms 2,3,5 look like psilocybe in my opinion. the other pics are hard to tell. Wait for TI to be sure


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: BearaBeans]
    #26350993 - 11/28/19 06:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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The pics you have that are close up shots of mushrooms 2,3,5 look like psilocybe in my opinion. the other pics are hard to tell. Wait for TI to be sure


do you think they are all edible?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351038 - 11/28/19 07:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Do not eat any of these without taking a spore print and having it confirmed by a TI.

I think you have a mixed collection of Psilocybe and Galerina spp.

Galerina have the potential to be deadly poisonous, so tread with caution.

EDIT: if you can't get a spore print spritz a little water on the inside of a bowl. put the bowl upside down over them and leave them alone overnight (minimum 8 hrs, preferably 12+).


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: leschampignons]
    #26351049 - 11/28/19 07:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Do not eat any of these without taking a spore print and having it confirmed by a TI.

I think you have a mixed collection of Psilocybe and Galerina spp.

Galerina have the potential to be deadly poisonous, so tread with caution.




Good to know. Problem is I can't get any of these to drop spores for some reason. I made Spore prints in the past and I usually have a good print by now. I have a feeling I'll never get any from these.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: leschampignons]
    #26351052 - 11/28/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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EDIT: if you can't get a spore print spritz a little water on the inside of a bowl. put the bowl upside down over them and leave them alone overnight (minimum 8 hrs, preferably 12+).



Since I have like 20, should I make a Spore prints for each?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351056 - 11/28/19 07:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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shroomaway69 said:
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leschampignons said:

EDIT: if you can't get a spore print spritz a little water on the inside of a bowl. put the bowl upside down over them and leave them alone overnight (minimum 8 hrs, preferably 12+).



Since I have like 20, should I make a Spore prints for each?




Wouldnt hurt I guess. How many show signs of bluing?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26351064 - 11/28/19 07:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

None, from what I can see. If there is any visible bruising, seems to be a very subtle silver color. But maybe my Layman eyes are unable to see Bluing?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351208 - 11/28/19 10:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The 2nd photo is of Psilocybe cyanescens


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: Moria841]
    #26351212 - 11/28/19 10:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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The 2nd photo is of Psilocybe cyanescens




Man I have a hard time seeing a psilocybe here, not that I think you're wrong...not what I'm implying, but the lack of ANY blue is alarming. I dont even see the blue ridge around the edge of the cap. It could very well be psilocybe cyanescens, but it very well could also be gallerina. I'd really like to see some bluing on a cap or stipe, or very minimum a spore print.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26351228 - 11/28/19 10:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think they are all p. cyanescens, or at least psilocybe of some kind.
When they are dried out like that, they neither bruise easy nor they drop spore prints easy. On pic 5 tho you can see the blue/green on the cap margin. Maybe you could try to "gently crush" the caps, the gills should bruise blue/green in about an hour.
But I'm a noobling so let's see what a T.I. or two has to say!


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: ZenZone]
    #26351236 - 11/28/19 10:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You could also spray the gills with some water mist, leave them alone for a bit to allow them to rehydrate and try to get spore print again.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: ZenZone]
    #26351267 - 11/28/19 11:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You could also spray the gills with some water mist, leave them alone for a bit to allow them to rehydrate and try to get spore print again.




Can I spray them with mist and then immediately try to take a Spore print? By the way they don't seem dehydrated to me. I picked them all fresh from moist wood chips.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351322 - 11/29/19 12:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I just added some more pictures so, hopefully that helps.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351324 - 11/29/19 12:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I just added some more pictures so, hopefully that helps.



With updated pictures I think all are Psilocybe sp. Cyan or Allenii none look suspect to me. Hopefully TI can come set you at ease soon.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: BearaBeans]
    #26351344 - 11/29/19 01:26 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I just added some more pictures so, hopefully that helps.



With updated pictures I think all are Psilocybe sp. Cyan or Allenii none look suspect to me. Hopefully TI can come set you at ease soon.




What makes you say that if you don't mind me asking? I was reading this article and I think they are galerina based off of the descriptions:

Most of these stems are bruising black near the bottom, and none of the immature ones I found were wavy near the bottom of the caps. They also looked pretty similar to the Galleria immature ones. On the other hand, none of them seem to have rings at the top of the Stipe.

Source: http://fungiflora.com/2016/09/12/psilocybe-cyanescens-lookalikes/

Since I'm struggling to get Spore prints here, is it a huge mistake to try to get prints on foil? Should I migrate these caps to white paper so the spores stand out better? I misted them multiple times on their gills and plan to leave them facedown on the foil for 2 days

Thanks for the help!


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351523 - 11/29/19 06:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Look like the partially freeze dried cyans i find when it is colder out. Im not seeing anything that would make me think galerina but i could be wrong.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: PNWMusicMaker]
    #26351607 - 11/29/19 08:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Well, if you see black bruising and no blue, AND can't get a spore print, you shouldn't eat them. But if you look here:



To me those look like spore deposits and very much reminds me of psilocybe,
rather than galerina.

The addition of new pics made me more doubtful on my original opinion tho.
I'm confused. We definitely need the trusted experts here.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351612 - 11/29/19 08:37 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Since I'm struggling to get Spore prints here, is it a huge mistake to try to get prints on foil? Should I migrate these caps to white paper so the spores stand out better? I misted them multiple times on their gills and plan to leave them facedown on the foil for 2 days





I was thinking the same.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: ZenZone]
    #26351836 - 11/29/19 11:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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To me those look like spore deposits and very much reminds me of psilocybe,
rather than galerina.

The addition of new pics made me more doubtful on my original opinion tho.
I'm confused. We definitely need the trusted experts here.




I think that just might be bruising or the shrooms natural color? I do remember seeing one of them that looks like it was charred all over like the spots you pointed out, but I intentionally avoided picking that one because I thought it could be mold and damage the rest.

I did wake up and get some Spore prints from some of the caps. How do these spores look?  http://imgur.com/a/VPTvZAn  these are from the three at the lower right-hand corner of the latest set of pics.

Also is there a special way to request a TI?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351851 - 11/29/19 11:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Those two prints suggest psilocybe to me, not galerina. :shrug:
Those two.

Maybe you can private message t.i.-s? idk man ...
They should be all excited to debate your findings.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: ZenZone]
    #26351866 - 11/29/19 11:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Those two prints suggest psilocybe to me, not galerina. :shrug:



Haha yeah that's what I thought at first too and then I Googled gallerinas prints and they look exactly the same to me: https://images.app.goo.gl/ncbx5XbHsXEL84JF6


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26351965 - 11/29/19 12:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Can you take a picture of the print so that the white paper comes out white on the picture?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: ZenZone]
    #26352002 - 11/29/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

All are Psilocybe cyanescens.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #26352366 - 11/29/19 04:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you very much!


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26352465 - 11/29/19 05:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I hate to bust your bubble....but I think you got your hands on a bunch of gallerina sp. TI should be here soon though and throw in an opinion.




TI confirmed. :smile: Here are more spore prints. They look purple to me! http://imgur.com/a/Tn2EHUm


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26352538 - 11/29/19 06:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

MentalPariah said:
I hate to bust your bubble....but I think you got your hands on a bunch of gallerina sp. TI should be here soon though and throw in an opinion.




TI confirmed. :smile: Here are more spore prints. They look purple to me! http://imgur.com/a/Tn2EHUm




I'm not gonna argue with Alan hahaha I did that once before early on when I first joined, didnt work out too well Haha.
If Alan says its psilocybe cyanescens then so it shall be.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26352601 - 11/29/19 06:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Look like cyans to me, but spore print and/or blue bruising would confirm... If you know anyone who has picked cyans before, who could look at them in person,, they should be able to give you an answer at a glance. Where in NorCal are you?


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    #26352625 - 11/29/19 06:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure that there are Psilocybe mushrooms in the pictures posted but I need to see better pictures to make an accurate identification.  Take pictures of the cap, gills and stem that are close up and clear. Pretty sure that I see bluing in the 1st picture posted.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: Doc9151]
    #26352781 - 11/29/19 08:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm pretty sure that there are Psilocybe mushrooms in the pictures posted but I need to see better pictures to make an accurate identification.  Take pictures of the cap, gills and stem that are close up and clear. Pretty sure that I see bluing in the 1st picture posted.




I can get you some good pictures of the gills and caps in a few hours , but the stems are shriveled and extremely thin at this point so I don't know how good a picture will do but I'll take some of that too.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26352789 - 11/29/19 08:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Do you see bluing anywhere on the cap and stem or anywhere?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: Doc9151]
    #26352872 - 11/29/19 09:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know if this should be considered apples and oranges cuz it's a different day, but here are some new ones that just sprouted from exactly the same location a day later. Can this help identify?

http://imgur.com/a/GLrv9vs


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: Doc9151]
    #26352874 - 11/29/19 09:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Do you see bluing anywhere on the cap and stem or anywhere?




No, I've never noticed blue, just black.


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26352892 - 11/29/19 10:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

They look like cyans to me, but since you are unsure, its best to be safe. When they are dry like that they sometimes wont readily bruise. I would check the spot in a couple days after this rain and pick and photograph some fresh ones that arent dried out. It will then be obvious if they are cyans because they will show blue.


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    #26352972 - 11/29/19 11:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Here are some more pics that are better: http://imgur.com/a/1lVh52R


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: Doc9151]
    #26353618 - 11/30/19 11:02 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

More Spore prints: http://imgur.com/a/yGTwKmK


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26353638 - 11/30/19 11:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Your most recent pictures look like Psilocybe allenii,  but the pictures are slightly blurred,  an in focus pic of the stem from the fresh ones would help. Remember,  if you can't see the picture clearly,  neither can we.


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    #26353703 - 11/30/19 11:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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the pictures are slightly blurred




These ones? http://imgur.com/a/1lVh52R


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: shroomaway69]
    #26354065 - 11/30/19 03:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm pretty sure that I see bluing in the stems, anyone else see it,  I'm on my phone right now and can't see it good enough when I enlarge it?


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Re: Is this something psychoactive? Northern California growing on wood [Re: Doc9151]
    #26354082 - 11/30/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm pretty sure that I see bluing in the stems, anyone else see it,  I'm on my phone right now and can't see it good enough when I enlarge it?



Yes, I think I can see some blueing on some of the stems too. And a few greenish bruises on one of the caps as well.




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