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Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? 1
#26350916 - 11/28/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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How does this look to you? I spawned to the mini tub exactly one week ago, but I still have no pinning yet. The block appears to be fully colonized, and when I shine a bright light into it I still see tiny little droplets of water all over the surface, I haven't misted or anything yet. I've just been letting it sit and do it's thing, but I thought I definitely would have pinning by now. I'm doing an unmodified tub, so I spawned straight to fruiting conditions with a 12/12 light dark cycle, and I have the lid set up on the latches to allow the gap FAE. My room temperature fluctuates between 70 and 76 degrees through the day and night. How does this look to you? Do I need to do anything else to initiate pinning? Maybe there's not enough FAE? Or something to do with my room temperatures? Or has it stalled for some reason a week in?
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26350926 - 11/28/19 05:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mist it a bit more, that is going to pin within the next 3 days imo.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Rot]
#26350931 - 11/28/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it takes about 9-12 days before I see pins. They look really good btw. Keep it up.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Rot]
#26350934 - 11/28/19 05:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I need to start misting it with water now? I thought if you still see droplets then the surface conditions are still good...? How much more water should I mist? I don't want it to pool any water. Do you mean just spray the walls?
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26350935 - 11/28/19 05:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do I need to start spraying and misting water?
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26350947 - 11/28/19 05:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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From the pics it looks like it has low humidity, it looked dry to me. I'd give it a light misting, snap the lid on and check it in 3 days.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Rot]
#26350956 - 11/28/19 06:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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What makes it look like low humidity and dry? I'm just wondering for myself. I see tiny droplets on the surface, but I can start misting. How can you tell there's not enough humidity? Since I did an umodified tub and have the lid sitting on the latches for FAE, I need to lock it down now all the way instead after spraying?
Edited by DNA_Trip (11/28/19 06:02 PM)
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26350968 - 11/28/19 06:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If there are beads of moisture on the surface and it's first flush I don't think it needs misted. Maybe a mist to make the beads bigger? You want them to evaporate to induce pinning
You have alot of aireal myc so I'm guessing you should increase FAE
Edited by Hobbit GDF (11/28/19 06:15 PM)
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26350978 - 11/28/19 06:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you just keep doing what you’ve been doing it will pin soon also. Increase FAE when mushrooms start growing. Just my opinion. If you want to give it a little more air now just move the lid slightly askew
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26350992 - 11/28/19 06:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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That looks great. Lots of knots there, you'll see mushrooms soon.
One week isn't enough time for pins to form. It doesn't get much faster than what you've got.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Cybin_man]
#26351050 - 11/28/19 07:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whenever I spawned one week ago, I spawned straight to fruiting conditions because I'm doing an unmodified tub tek, so I began FAE from the beginning. My lid isn't latched down, it is sitting on top of the latches, so it already has a gap all around for FAE. Are you saying to actually try fanning it now for more FAE? Should I be increasing my temperatures at all or anything?
Edited by DNA_Trip (11/28/19 07:31 PM)
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip] 1
#26351066 - 11/28/19 07:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You gotta work on your Patience Tek 
The tub is fine and on schedule.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: feldman114]
#26351084 - 11/28/19 08:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I guess I thought I would definitely have pins by a week. Now I'm feeling overwhelmed with all these different things that people are suggesting. Even though I'm grateful for the suggestions, I have a feeling to just still leave it alone still for now. It should be maintaining the proper humidity since it's an unmodified tub tek with the self regulating FAE from the lid correct? The inside of the tub has a little condensation at the sides, not a whole lot dripping down the sides or anything, it's a little fine mist of condensation bubbles just barely on the sides and level of the substrate, and then the surface of my substrate has glistening beads all over, it makes the mycelium look wintery and icekle like. At what point or indicators should I start being concerned changing anything in my routine?
Edited by DNA_Trip (11/28/19 08:03 PM)
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26351085 - 11/28/19 08:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
DNA_Trip said: Whenever I spawned one week ago, I spawned straight to fruiting conditions because I'm doing an unmodified tub tek, so I began FAE from the beginning. My lid isn't latched down, it is sitting on top of the latches, so it already has a gap all around for FAE. Are you saying to actually try fanning it now for more FAE? Should I be increasing my temperatures at all or anything?
Bro I am only a a week ahead of you and I know it's hard but those pins WILL come it took my tub 15 days to see pins. I was worried about the same stuff as you...fae & surface conditions...but if you have both water beads and a inverted lid you got those two departments covered...just dont go doing what I did and mess with the balance too much by cracking the lid and drilling a bunch of holes and missing....
The unmodified tubs work as is! I wish I woulda just listened to everyone telling me that...I wouldn't even mist until after you start seeing those fruits...
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26351095 - 11/28/19 08:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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DNA_Trip said: Yeah, I guess I thought I would definitely have pins by a week. Now I'm feeling overwhelmed with all these different things that people are suggesting. Even though I'm grateful for the suggestions, I have a feeling to just still leave it alone still for now. It should be maintaining the proper humidity since it's an unmodified tub tek with the self regulating FAE from the lid correct? The inside of the tub has a little condensation at the sides, not a whole lot dripping down the sides or anything, it's a little fine mist of condensation bubbles just barely on the sides and level of the substrate, and then the surface of my substrate has glistening beads all over, it makes the mycelium look wintery and icekle like. At what point or indicators should I start being concerned changing anything in my routine?
You are good to go for now, the less you mess with it the better it will be.
Dont stress about any of that until after the first flush...
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26351100 - 11/28/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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My lid isn't inverted though like upside down, I know that's one way to do it. t's sitting on top of the latches to create that little gap. Did you flip your lid upside down?
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26351271 - 11/28/19 11:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DNA_Trip said: My lid isn't inverted though like upside down, I know that's one way to do it. t's sitting on top of the latches to create that little gap. Did you flip your lid upside down?
Dont flip your lid especially now, it may be good for the vegetative myc but not the fruiting myc, and if you end up leaving it off the entire flush it may dry out and stall/abort any pins that were going to reach maturity.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26351329 - 11/29/19 01:05 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yup, you are solid on spawn, mist a little and good to go. I usually go for 3 flushes, the first ones way smaller but it's all good.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: jbgtaa]
#26351427 - 11/29/19 04:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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DNA_Trip said: My lid isn't inverted though like upside down, I know that's one way to do it. t's sitting on top of the latches to create that little gap. Did you flip your lid upside down?
Dont flip your lid especially now, it may be good for the vegetative myc but not the fruiting myc, and if you end up leaving it off the entire flush it may dry out and stall/abort any pins that were going to reach maturity.
What is good for vegetative growth? Flipping a lid? But not for fruiting? That doesn't sound right especially since alot of people give their mushrooms more fresh air when they start to produce...
People clearly have plenty of succes by flipping the lid. Bod wouldn't have wrote up a tek on it if it didnt work...he also reccomends flipping the lid as soon as you spawn them up until you harvest them...
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IME flipping the lid and just leaving it unlatched are pretty much the same. This is with shoeboxes.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: A.k.a]
#26351445 - 11/29/19 04:38 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Proper Surface Conditions link 👍
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
I usually see pins around day 14-18 as a high average. Had some Golden Teacher pin on day 9 before though.
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Should I have lots of condensation or anything on the walls? I don’t have any, but some fine mist bubbles at the level of my substrate and fine beads all over the surface.
Edited by DNA_Trip (11/29/19 08:31 AM)
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: YogiBear]
#26351624 - 11/29/19 08:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should I have lots of condensation or anything on the walls? I don’t have any, only some mist bubbles at the level of my substrate and fine beads all over the surface.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26351645 - 11/29/19 08:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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As long as their on the surface. Since there isn't any condensation on the walls I'd say you have plenty of fae. Just leave it be unless the beads on surface disappear. Then light mist but u should be good until first harvest IME.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26351653 - 11/29/19 09:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Weird. How’s your temps? Some condensation should appear due to the temp difference (myc creates heat as it digests the sub).
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26351688 - 11/29/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I guess it would be different if I noticed something else going on besides pinning like further colonization or other growth, but it’s like nothing has really changed in the last day or so.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: feldman114]
#26351689 - 11/29/19 09:48 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m just leaving it at room temperature, which is 74 degrees and goes down to 72 or so at night. There are little fine beads of condensation at the substrate level you can see in my pictures above, but not pools of it covering the walls.
Edited by DNA_Trip (11/29/19 10:00 AM)
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: A.k.a]
#26352014 - 11/29/19 01:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Am I supposed to be having high levels of humidity right now by spraying if it hasn’t pinned yet? Or is the unmodified bodtek regulating it by the lid and it automatically has the humidity you need? It’s been one week since I spawned and still haven’t pinned yet.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26352024 - 11/29/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It’d be a miracle if you got pins in a week. Once it starts knotting that’s really all it does, I never notice any extra growth anywhere else once knots form. After a few days the knots will start to grow into mushrooms.
Your surface looks fine in the pics. I’d just leave it alone. Count on another three days til pins probably.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26352052 - 11/29/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Best advice I can give in the situation is to be patient. If you give your fungi the conditions it wants and the food it wants, then it will likely fruit but at it's time not yours. We are going through a life cycle to get fruits so maybe your fungi thinks I like it right now, I like the nutrients and I have room to expand with no competition, life is pretty good, even the cO2 levels are high so I must be underground.
If all it's doing is colonizing isn't that something you would want to encourage to have the most surface area available to fruit on? When it fruits it's saying I've expanded to the outer layers where oxygen is more present and there is light so I'm going to grow towards that because I want to spread past this physical barrier that's stopping me from expanding under the soil. So with wind blowing moisture away and the moisture being replaced it's thinking it's time to put energy into fruiting. This might be as a last resort to try to get away from an infection (contamination), this might be putting energy into mushrooms to spread, or even again a last resort because the food source is depleting.
It's all part of the fungi's life cycle and worrying that it's taking too long after a week suggests to me you're looking at this less as a living organism with many stages, and more like a production line complaining that some workers aren't working fast enough.
There are lots of reasons why things take longer. Lack of air exchange can slow growth. Poor genetics can slow growth. Contamination can slow growth. Lots of things can slow growth but a week isn't much time as far as fungi are concerned unless you are talking pins to fruits, because there is a reason the expression grows like a mushroom exists.
Best of luck to you and your setup. I believe it will work out well for you as getting clean culture is the hardest part in my belief.
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I’m not complaining, I’m just asking questions because I want this to be successful, I don’t want to fail. I want to make sure I do the right thing or know what to plan on doing and be prepared. You think it could got contaminated?
Edited by DNA_Trip (11/29/19 01:51 PM)
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#26352557 - 11/29/19 06:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Contamination is unlikely while it is colonized fully until it runs out of nutrients. I suggest just relaxing and follow your tek and not check up on it every 15 mins. I make trays sometimes and leave them to colonize for 10 - 14 days before I start them on fruiting, and even then it can take another week to see pins. But when I see pins things start happening rapidly.
I never thought you were complaining, and I understand we all want our projects to be a success. It's a common joke about new cultivators that they want to see results immediately. Relax, I suspect you'll be fine.
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Re: Spawned one week ago, no pins yet??? [Re: DNA_Trip]
#28127474 - 01/06/23 02:48 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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Patience is key. Sometimes the hardest part of this hobby. A friend of mine is in the exact situation. 12 days is his hope of seeing pins and it's been 11 days. All looks good, so just let mother nature do what she does (in her own time). Don't force anything.
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