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Cubes on manure vs coir
    #26350902 - 11/28/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve had success with cubes grown on coir/verm in shoeboxes and I’m attempting to move on to pan cyans using horse manure. I saw in Let’s Grow Mushrooms that cubes grow well on manure. They seem to grow fine in coir, though. What would be the benefit of growing cubes on manure vs sticking with coir?


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir [Re: BobBee]
    #26351249 - 11/28/19 11:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Over the last few months i have been growing a few shoeboxes with pure manure, pure coir and verm and pure straw and in all honesty i have not seen much difference beetween them, straw seems to colonize fastest and contam fastest but between the rest i have not seen much difference. Now it was a bunch of different isolates used and not ascientific comparison in any way just my impressions. Honestly if i didn't have ready access to lots of aged horse manure i wouldn't bother tracking it down but seeing it is free i will keep it in the mix as i generally like mixed substrates.


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: BobBee]
    #26351620 - 11/29/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26351664 - 11/29/19 09:18 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I grow cubes with 65% straw, 20% horse manure, 15% earthworm hummus. Is going pretty good i think, but i see that are growing much better with a coir casing and with small boxes.... smaller than shoes box. I use lunch box ....


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: Cristianosolo] * 1
    #26351672 - 11/29/19 09:33 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: BigSurMoon] * 1
    #26351682 - 11/29/19 09:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

There's more nutrition in the spawn than you use up in an entire grow. Substrate is largely there to supply water for mushroom growth. With the amount of spawn we use your grow will go 5+ flushes and contaminate before it's actually spent. Changing up your substrate is something people try when they're new to be a magic solution to not having to learn to just grow better is 9/10 times the reason why people being it up. If you want better results practice don't blame ingredients


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26351712 - 11/29/19 10:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: ShamanBoof]
    #26351734 - 11/29/19 10:15 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I use aged manure, sometimes mixed with a little fresh by the horse's. I use the same tek as the coir and get great results. If it's free substrate then why not use it up. If I only have a little coir I'll throw it all together with some straw for filler. When i use straw i bake all in oven bag at 170(oven temp only at 157°) for 2hrs.


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: MycoBrainz]
    #26351778 - 11/29/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Only advantage to manure is it can be cheaper


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26351783 - 11/29/19 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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There's more nutrition in the spawn than you use up in an entire grow. Substrate is largely there to supply water for mushroom growth. With the amount of spawn we use your grow will go 5+ flushes and contaminate before it's actually spent. Changing up your substrate is something people try when they're new to be a magic solution to not having to learn to just grow better is 9/10 times the reason why people being it up. If you want better results practice don't blame ingredients



I do not understand well...
Do you want to say that if instead than using my sub  ( 65% straw, 20% HP , 15% hummus ) , i use 100% straw  i will get exactly the same result and  yeld ?


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: Cristianosolo]
    #26351790 - 11/29/19 10:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

The only people who will note a difference is somebody with serious skill, a solid set of isolates and a low spawn rate ..
This guy might pull a few extra grams from a few qts spawned to "x" bulk sub


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Re: Cubes on manure vs coir (moved) [Re: cronicr]
    #26352008 - 11/29/19 01:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

70% hpoo, 30% straw is pretty much a sub that you could grow most active species on.
The only reason I can see for using it for cubes is because you have access to an
unlimited free supply of it.

I've grown APE several times on it, but honestly just because I had a ton
of it made up already. Everything I've heard seems anecdotal: better yields,
more flushes, etc. I would stick with coir personally.


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