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Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School * 1
    #26350733 - 11/28/19 03:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/474496-court-ban-birmingham-lgbt/

"The court imposed ban on the anti-LGBT demonstrators at a Birmingham primary school, rather than quell the protests, may increase tensions in a community that already struggles to share the values of contemporary Britain."


https://www.rt.com/uk/474349-lgbt-school-protests-banned/

Justice Warby QC, issuing the permanent injunction at the High Court in Birmingham, said the protests had "a very significant adverse impact on the pupils, teachers and local residents.”

He cited claims made by speakers at protests, such as the school had a "pedophile agenda" and that staff were "teaching children how to masturbate.'' The judge remarked that “none of this is true.”

In response to the ruling, the UK Department for Education released a statement, welcoming the decision of the court and insisted that they had long been of the view that they wanted to “end these protests and encourage positive dialogue.”"


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine] * 3
    #26350788 - 11/28/19 03:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Every now and then I find myself siding with Muslims


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine] * 5
    #26350820 - 11/28/19 04:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

if they don't want to learn and adhere to Western values, they should go back where they came from :shrug:

if they want Sharia schools and Sharia law go back to Sharia countries
having them take control of part of the school curriculum would have fostered insular Muslim communities and no-go zones that were unsafe for UK citizens to be openly gay in

tho interesting to see them complain about a so-called "pedophile agenda"
while trials have taken place in the UK regarding child trafficking rings

etc. and so forth


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Eminence] * 3
    #26350894 - 11/28/19 05:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Every now and then I find myself siding with Muslims




Probably more than you realize, there’s a lot of similarities between Christian conservatism and Islam.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #26350915 - 11/28/19 05:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, but I'm not a christian, and I'm not a full on conservative either.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26350925 - 11/28/19 05:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Tantrika said:
if they don't want to learn and adhere to Western values, they should go back where they came from :shrug:

if they want Sharia schools and Sharia law go back to Sharia countries
having them take control of part of the school curriculum would have fostered insular Muslim communities and no-go zones that were unsafe for UK citizens to be openly gay in

tho interesting to see them complain about a so-called "pedophile agenda"
while trials have taken place in the UK regarding child trafficking rings

etc. and so forth




I also agree with this, but at the same time, "western values" has it's own problems. It's not enough to accept gay people or trans people now, you get called a bigot by an increasing amount of people if you don't want to chemically castrate your kid who said one time "I'm a girl", or if you don't want the government teaching your 9 year old about anal sex and orgies.

Glad you brought up the child trafficking though, that's an enormous problem with the Muslims coming to Europe. But you're not supposed to talk about it. People keep trying to use the "well not all of them do that!" argument as if that's supposed to be of any help at all.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Eminence]
    #26350982 - 11/28/19 06:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yay for refugees!!!

Go mass immigration!!!

Especially from countries with horrible values!!!


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26351183 - 11/28/19 09:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ironic


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Eminence]
    #26351232 - 11/28/19 10:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Eminence said:
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Tantrika said:
if they don't want to learn and adhere to Western values, they should go back where they came from :shrug:

if they want Sharia schools and Sharia law go back to Sharia countries
having them take control of part of the school curriculum would have fostered insular Muslim communities and no-go zones that were unsafe for UK citizens to be openly gay in

tho interesting to see them complain about a so-called "pedophile agenda"
while trials have taken place in the UK regarding child trafficking rings

etc. and so forth




I also agree with this, but at the same time, "western values" has it's own problems. It's not enough to accept gay people or trans people now, you get called a bigot by an increasing amount of people if you don't want to chemically castrate your kid who said one time "I'm a girl", or if you don't want the government teaching your 9 year old about anal sex and orgies.
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That would be a lot of why it is important, in my opinion, that these sentiments spread to immigrant communities
Even if there are multi-generation white Canadians who do not agree with my lifestyle or accept and recognize me as human
it is at least feasible for me to be out and open and have the worst fear being someone being a "bigot" towards me

trans or gay individuals coming out in minority communities have far more risk to their lives
transwomen of colour are murdered at a higher rate than white transwomen, and that has to do with the broader communities they are part of

if it is a matter of whether my concern is higher for people afraid of being called a bigot, or for those who face violence due to enforced non-acceptance
then educate the Muslim kids not to hate people for being different, and maybe the next generation of UK Muslims will be more tolerant to LGBTQ2+ communities, and more adherant to Western values

this does not stop rich immigrants from removing their children from the public school system and hiring a private tutor
but, apparently, this issue is among refugee communities rather than (just) wealthy ones

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Glad you brought up the child trafficking though, that's an enormous problem with the Muslims coming to Europe. But you're not supposed to talk about it. People keep trying to use the "well not all of them do that!" argument as if that's supposed to be of any help at all.




it just really interests me that members of the Muslim community could be arguing that a school system is teaching pedophilia
when one of the broader cultural clashes between Islam and modern Western countries is the issue of coerced child marriages

it really makes me wonder what the curriculum had in it
something tells me the real reason a number of the immigrants were upset is because one of the course packs is about how adults (well, no one, but the illustrations were of adults trying to get kids into their car and stuff) don't have the right to touch your bathing suit area
and that you should tell another adult who you trust if someone tries
or, at least, that was among the worksheets still in my memory from grade school


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika]
    #26351247 - 11/28/19 11:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see how muslim religion would be open to values of homosexuality, transsexualism or in acceptance of others in general.
And i don't think is possible in catholicism or for an orthodox.

I don't say it as a neckbeard atheist. But i don't think it is a minority problem, but a cultural one. In order to change a culture so much in so many time you would need a miracle or a catastrophe.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26351307 - 11/29/19 12:19 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know if you understood what I was saying. I was saying there's a lot of middle ground between beating and killing trans or gay people, and being so "open minded" that we have kids almost being encouraged to be gay or identify as a different sex. "Western values" have gone too far in the opposite direction of something like Islam. That's pretty apparent when you have fathers losing custody battles against the mother of a kid who's being forced to dress and be treated like a girl when he doesn't want to.

But why do you see it as a problem if someone takes their kid out of public schools if they don't want them being raised by the government?

Also, can we finally drop the "people of color" thing? I'm so tired of being described as the "other" compared to everyone else, I'm not colorless god damn it. Besides, I thought everyone thought "colored people" was offensive, what's the difference? :lol:

Anyway it's good to see more consistent trans people talking about this. It's so bizarre seeing how many of them are vehemently against christians for their opinions on lgbt but are such supporters of Muslims. A lot of feminists are the same way, many of them wouldn't even shake a woman's hand.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #26351335 - 11/29/19 01:16 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't know if you understood what I was saying. I was saying there's a lot of middle ground between beating and killing trans or gay people, and being so "open minded" that we have kids almost being encouraged to be gay or identify as a different sex. ...




recognizing that gay and trans people exist and should not be hated for it
is not the same as encouraging individuals to pursue those courses of action

so, would argue we are presently at a good middle ground in terms of what is being taught
teaching minority communities the same things that helped to reduce criminality in white communities seems logical
to my comprehension, it is basically only the muslim communities complaining about this curriculum, while white families do not object to it (or, at least, not on any large scale)

if this were several groups of people coming together across cultural lines objecting to a new curriculum being introduced,
would be looking at the situation differently
but it instead seems to be that it is muslims complaining that it does not adhere to muslim values enough


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Eminence said:
... That's pretty apparent when you have fathers losing custody battles against the mother of a kid who's being forced to dress and be treated like a girl when he doesn't want to.
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https://www.hrc.org/resources/a-national-epidemic-fatal-anti-trans-violence-in-the-united-states-in-2019

it's interesting that you provide account of one dysfunctional family being evidence of some shift "too far to the left"
when around 22 families were impacted by murder on the basis of gender identity in the US this year

while the US has the problem largely in black communities, in Europe the majority of murders are in migrant communities
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TMM data shows that the victims whose occupations are known are mostly sex workers (61%). In the United States, the majority of the trans people reported murdered are trans women of colour and/or Native American trans women (90%), and in France, Italy, Portugal, and Spain, which are the countries to which most trans and gender-diverse people from Africa and Central and South America migrate, 65% of the reported murder victims were migrant trans women.



https://transrespect.org/en/tmm-update-trans-day-of-remembrance-2019/

so, in Europe in particular, the violence is largely targetted at people who tried to escape it elsewhere
and, to me, it is atrocious that our Western societies are not forward enough to be doing a better job stamping this violence down

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Eminence said:
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But why do you see it as a problem if someone takes their kid out of public schools if they don't want them being raised by the government?
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did not refer to it as a problem, simply recognized it as a reality
rich muslims get too busy racing high-end cars through neighbourhoods to be be bothered with what is going on at public schools
so they were likely not the ones objecting to the curriculum in the first place
:cookiemonster:

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Eminence said:
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Also, can we finally drop the "people of color" thing? I'm so tired of being described as the "other" compared to everyone else, I'm not colorless god damn it. Besides, I thought everyone thought "colored people" was offensive, what's the difference? :lol:
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Would you prefer "non-white" or "black" to talk about this topic?
speaking of people of colour, specifically transwomen of colour, is the language they have chosen to bring up the distinction within the LGBTQ2+ community
but am fine with adjusting to whatever is more prefered in the given situation

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Eminence said:
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Anyway it's good to see more consistent trans people talking about this. It's so bizarre seeing how many of them are vehemently against christians for their opinions on lgbt but are such supporters of Muslims. A lot of feminists are the same way, many of them wouldn't even shake a woman's hand.




well, for me to treat all Christians or all Muslims as being the same
would not be much different from people expecting me to adhere to some narrow concept of how trans people are supposed to act
and that would go against the very point of my support -- this is not about me wanting Muslims to accept me for being trans
am unlikely to ever be in situations where they will cause me danger for it
but there are gay and trans Muslims who are in danger in their own communities

but yeah, there is a lot of branches in feminism as well
terfs are feminists that don't believe transwomen are women
swerfs are feminists that don't believe women can be empowered by sex work or take part in it by choice, and consequently don't believe sex workers deserve legal protections

interestingly, there is overlap with sex worker and trans deaths

prolly because trans people don't get a lot of options in life -- seem to recall a Joe Rogan episode where he mentioned that pretty much no one gets into professional fighting or sex work if they have any other real options available to them
because while it can be empowering to some women, it is not necessarily empowering to all of them


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika]
    #26351443 - 11/29/19 04:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I am pretty sure 33 poor fellas drawn this year in spain, i can be wrong.

So, statistically speaking is ethically more worth of effort of prevention being drawned in spain that being murdered as trasgender.

Also, the amount of suicides, car accidents, cancer, male to male fights over a woman, suffocating while eating, bdsm related asphyxia mistakes etc kills more people that transexyals are murdered.

Also, my ex was trans and a prostitute, i met her that way. She had other options but opening her butthole was easy money (she earned more than me free of taxes working a few hours per day).
I repeat, she had other options.


A sex worker recieves more violence. Thats why there are madams and pimps. Being preop transexual is why you are atractive to those people. As a prostitute with femenine aspect and a huge cock will earn almost double a better common independent prostitute.  If anything being trans is better for sexual business.



I am also quite sure we can trace proportional values between recieved violent crime and being born with testicles. So the problem might as well be being born with balls between your legs. You also live less years and die more in general...

Tbh o don't think american black culture or muslim one are specially a problem to trans, it is a problem to all.


Also, when will lgtbi collective stop adding more letters and spitting on bdsm collective? It is because bdsm people keep it private?.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26351451 - 11/29/19 04:46 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't see how muslim religion would be open to values of homosexuality, transsexualism or in acceptance of others in general.
And i don't think is possible in catholicism or for an orthodox.

I don't say it as a neckbeard atheist. But i don't think it is a minority problem, but a cultural one. In order to change a culture so much in so many time you would need a miracle or a catastrophe.



Muslims are more accepting of gay people then evangelicals in the US.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26351457 - 11/29/19 04:57 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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koods said:
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living_failure said:
I don't see how muslim religion would be open to values of homosexuality, transsexualism or in acceptance of others in general.
And i don't think is possible in catholicism or for an orthodox.

I don't say it as a neckbeard atheist. But i don't think it is a minority problem, but a cultural one. In order to change a culture so much in so many time you would need a miracle or a catastrophe.



Muslims are more accepting of gay people then evangelicals in the US.





Evangelical are catholics or protestans?

In spain,muslim are insanely square minded, followed by opus dei then catholics then liberals.


Aren't they thought to put the other cheek, to not throw the first stone etc?
Just a remainder National-Catholicism was a serious problem in form of dictatorship in spain for decades, still, nowadays muslims are still worse than franquists


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26351460 - 11/29/19 05:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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living_failure said:
I am pretty sure 33 poor fellas drawn this year in spain, i can be wrong.

So, statistically speaking is ethically more worth of effort of prevention being drawned in spain that being murdered as trasgender.

Also, the amount of suicides, car accidents, cancer, male to male fights over a woman, suffocating while eating, bdsm related asphyxia mistakes etc kills more people that transexyals are murdered.
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Yeah,
statistically speaking trans deaths should be a lot lower than they are
given the % of the global population that is trans

Fortunately, this thread is about education, which has additional benefits for the population

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living_failure said:
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Also, my ex was trans and a prostitute, i met her that way. She had other options but opening her butthole was easy money (she earned more than me free of taxes working a few hours per day).
I repeat, she had other options.
...




Was one of those other options not engaging in sex work in order to afford transitional surgeries?
We used to have a German transwoman who hung around on the boards, who got into cam sex shows to cover breast implants

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living_failure said:
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I am also quite sure we can trace proportional values between recieved violent crime and being born with testicles. So the problem might as well be being born with balls between your legs. You also live less years and die more in general...
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Could you provide statistics to reflect your assurity?
are you using the "born with testicles" designator to classify transwomen alongside men
or are you stating that cis men receive violence at higher relative rates to their proportion of the greater population than transwomen?

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living_failure said:
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Also, when will lgtbi collective stop adding more letters and spitting on bdsm collective? It is because bdsm people keep it private?.




Spitting on the BDSM collective?
That is a new one -- am more accustomed to the complaint being that LGBTQ2+ people wear BDSM gear in public during parades


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika]
    #26351479 - 11/29/19 05:28 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Tantrika said:
Quote:

living_failure said:
I am pretty sure 33 poor fellas drawn this year in spain, i can be wrong.

So, statistically speaking is ethically more worth of effort of prevention being drawned in spain that being murdered as trasgender.

Also, the amount of suicides, car accidents, cancer, male to male fights over a woman, suffocating while eating, bdsm related asphyxia mistakes etc kills more people that transexyals are murdered.
...




Yeah,
statistically speaking trans deaths should be a lot lower than they are
given the % of the global population that is trans

Fortunately, this thread is about education, which has additional benefits for the population

Quote:

living_failure said:
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Also, my ex was trans and a prostitute, i met her that way. She had other options but opening her butthole was easy money (she earned more than me free of taxes working a few hours per day).
I repeat, she had other options.
...




Was one of those other options not engaging in sex work in order to afford transitional surgeries?
We used to have a German transwoman who hung around on the boards, who got into cam sex shows to cover breast implants

Quote:

living_failure said:
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I am also quite sure we can trace proportional values between recieved violent crime and being born with testicles. So the problem might as well be being born with balls between your legs. You also live less years and die more in general...
...




Could you provide statistics to reflect your assurity?
are you using the "born with testicles" designator to classify transwomen alongside men
or are you stating that cis men receive violence at higher relative rates to their proportion of the greater population than transwomen?

Quote:

living_failure said:
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Also, when will lgtbi collective stop adding more letters and spitting on bdsm collective? It is because bdsm people keep it private?.




Spitting on the BDSM collective?
That is a new one -- am more accustomed to the complaint being that LGBTQ2+ people wear BDSM gear in public during parades





I am going to quote in block because my fingers are big and my phone small, sorry.

Even if it is more likely for a transexual to be murdered that a whatever to be drown, there are more drowns so it should be mmore important to society.
Unless you imply that transexuals need special care... in that case ok.


In spain sex change is free (just a few years queue). and even if she wanted a profesional it was only 18k. She could have paid it in one year if she wasnt living in a full rented hous of over 300square meters.
The last year she didn't even paid rent. So she worked less.



Yes, it was an statistical game, im quite sure that even if you change your sex later in life having had testes will make you more likelly to recieve violence.
Numbers about violence recieved and trans (mtf for sure) you provided them, and numbers about men are kinda easy to find i guess? ill try later.


And yes, the lgtbi collective always tried to stay far away for bdsm collective, at least here. Bdsm said keep things legal but in private, lgtbi said bdsm was just perversion and curable and being open about your sexuality in public was fine.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26351483 - 11/29/19 05:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

In spain homicides: 62% male to male, 28% male to female, 7% female to male, 3% female to female. Source INE (spanish national institute of statistics)

I dont't think USA would be much different.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26351485 - 11/29/19 05:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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living_failure said:
Quote:

Tantrika said:
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living_failure said:
I am pretty sure 33 poor fellas drawn this year in spain, i can be wrong.

So, statistically speaking is ethically more worth of effort of prevention being drawned in spain that being murdered as trasgender.

Also, the amount of suicides, car accidents, cancer, male to male fights over a woman, suffocating while eating, bdsm related asphyxia mistakes etc kills more people that transexyals are murdered.
...




Yeah,
statistically speaking trans deaths should be a lot lower than they are
given the % of the global population that is trans

Fortunately, this thread is about education, which has additional benefits for the population

Quote:

living_failure said:
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Also, my ex was trans and a prostitute, i met her that way. She had other options but opening her butthole was easy money (she earned more than me free of taxes working a few hours per day).
I repeat, she had other options.
...




Was one of those other options not engaging in sex work in order to afford transitional surgeries?
We used to have a German transwoman who hung around on the boards, who got into cam sex shows to cover breast implants

Quote:

living_failure said:
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I am also quite sure we can trace proportional values between recieved violent crime and being born with testicles. So the problem might as well be being born with balls between your legs. You also live less years and die more in general...
...




Could you provide statistics to reflect your assurity?
are you using the "born with testicles" designator to classify transwomen alongside men
or are you stating that cis men receive violence at higher relative rates to their proportion of the greater population than transwomen?

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living_failure said:
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Also, when will lgtbi collective stop adding more letters and spitting on bdsm collective? It is because bdsm people keep it private?.




Spitting on the BDSM collective?
That is a new one -- am more accustomed to the complaint being that LGBTQ2+ people wear BDSM gear in public during parades





I am going to quote in block because my fingers are big and my phone small, sorry.

Even if it is more likely for a transexual to be murdered that a whatever to be drown, there are more drowns so it should be mmore important to society.
Unless you imply that transexuals need special care... in that case ok.
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google pegs the population of Spain as just over 46.5 million people
the World Health Organization estimates a population of about 25 million trans people worldwide

and the worldwide murders of trans people this year is clocked at 331 registered deaths

so despite there being a little over half as many trans people in the world as there are Spanish people in the world
10 times more were killed than Spanish citizens were drowned (I think this is what you are referring to -- unless you are referring to people being drawn and quartered)

so do you seek to imply that the Spanish need special care?

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In spain sex change is free (just a few years queue). and even if she wanted a profesional it was only 18k. She could have paid it in one year if she wasnt living in a full rented hous of over 300square meters.
The last year she didn't even paid rent. So she worked less.
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In Canada it is free too -- tho breast implants are not
"only" 18k reminds me of how poor I am QQ

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Yes, it was an statistical game, im quite sure that even if you change your sex later in life having had testes will make you more likelly to recieve violence.
Numbers about violence recieved and trans (mtf for sure) you provided them, and numbers about men are kinda easy to find i guess? ill try later.
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would you please also include the rates of violence of men towards men, violence of women towards men, violence of men towards transgender individuals, and violence of women towards transgender individuals
you can throw in the rates of violence of men towards women, and women towards women if you want to

but yeah, do at least agree that a transwoman is more likely to be a victim of violence than a transman

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And yes, the lgtbi collective always tried to stay far away for bdsm collective, at least here. Bdsm said keep things legal but in private, lgtbi said bdsm was just perversion and curable and being open about your sexuality in public was fine.




Wow, Spain sounds strange
here in Canada, there are prolly more bi and gay individuals in the BDSM community
and we have bondage clubs and "fetish nights" publicly celebrating the BDSM community


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26351487 - 11/29/19 05:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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In spain homicides: 62% male to male, 28% male to female, 7% female to male, 3% female to female. Source INE (spanish national institute of statistics)

I dont't think USA would be much different.




so statistically speaking, in Spain at least,
Men are more likely to commit violence against other men and against women as seperate individual groups
than women are likely to commit violence against both groups combined

was your argument that men are more likely to be violent or be victims of outside violence?


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika]
    #26351511 - 11/29/19 06:30 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I am pretty sure 33 poor fellas drawn this year in spain, i can be wrong.

So, statistically speaking is ethically more worth of effort of prevention being drawned in spain that being murdered as trasgender.

Also, the amount of suicides, car accidents, cancer, male to male fights over a woman, suffocating while eating, bdsm related asphyxia mistakes etc kills more people that transexyals are murdered.
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Yeah,
statistically speaking trans deaths should be a lot lower than they are
given the % of the global population that is trans

Fortunately, this thread is about education, which has additional benefits for the population

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Also, my ex was trans and a prostitute, i met her that way. She had other options but opening her butthole was easy money (she earned more than me free of taxes working a few hours per day).
I repeat, she had other options.
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Was one of those other options not engaging in sex work in order to afford transitional surgeries?
We used to have a German transwoman who hung around on the boards, who got into cam sex shows to cover breast implants

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I am also quite sure we can trace proportional values between recieved violent crime and being born with testicles. So the problem might as well be being born with balls between your legs. You also live less years and die more in general...
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Could you provide statistics to reflect your assurity?
are you using the "born with testicles" designator to classify transwomen alongside men
or are you stating that cis men receive violence at higher relative rates to their proportion of the greater population than transwomen?

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Also, when will lgtbi collective stop adding more letters and spitting on bdsm collective? It is because bdsm people keep it private?.




Spitting on the BDSM collective?
That is a new one -- am more accustomed to the complaint being that LGBTQ2+ people wear BDSM gear in public during parades





I am going to quote in block because my fingers are big and my phone small, sorry.

Even if it is more likely for a transexual to be murdered that a whatever to be drown, there are more drowns so it should be mmore important to society.
Unless you imply that transexuals need special care... in that case ok.
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google pegs the population of Spain as just over 46.5 million people
the World Health Organization estimates a population of about 25 million trans people worldwide

and the worldwide murders of trans people this year is clocked at 331 registered deaths

so despite there being a little over half as many trans people in the world as there are Spanish people in the world
10 times more were killed than Spanish citizens were drowned (I think this is what you are referring to -- unless you are referring to people being drawn and quartered)

so do you seek to imply that the Spanish need special care?

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In spain sex change is free (just a few years queue). and even if she wanted a profesional it was only 18k. She could have paid it in one year if she wasnt living in a full rented hous of over 300square meters.
The last year she didn't even paid rent. So she worked less.
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In Canada it is free too -- tho breast implants are not
"only" 18k reminds me of how poor I am QQ

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Yes, it was an statistical game, im quite sure that even if you change your sex later in life having had testes will make you more likelly to recieve violence.
Numbers about violence recieved and trans (mtf for sure) you provided them, and numbers about men are kinda easy to find i guess? ill try later.
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would you please also include the rates of violence of men towards men, violence of women towards men, violence of men towards transgender individuals, and violence of women towards transgender individuals
you can throw in the rates of violence of men towards women, and women towards women if you want to

but yeah, do at least agree that a transwoman is more likely to be a victim of violence than a transman

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And yes, the lgtbi collective always tried to stay far away for bdsm collective, at least here. Bdsm said keep things legal but in private, lgtbi said bdsm was just perversion and curable and being open about your sexuality in public was fine.




Wow, Spain sounds strange
here in Canada, there are prolly more bi and gay individuals in the BDSM community
and we have bondage clubs and "fetish nights" publicly celebrating the BDSM community






You said it youself, there are 33 drowns just in spain, there are more worldwide drown than trans being murdered. So, drowns in general are statistically worse than trans in general (i just used spain data because that is what i know). And yeah, soanish people need special care, if spanish people stopped being spanish and become whatever, dutch, it would be better.



Have you thought joining the marvellous world of software developing? it pays good and it is honest enough

Here there are like... 80 dominas in Madrid? half of them professional. New generations are more sexually "explorative" but mostly is men who are dominant and half woman who are submissive, half of the amout men submissive and one in a million a woman dominant.
About gays, they are more kinky than bdsm, at least my experience




And yes, statistically men are the criminals and the victims. My point is, trans are not special. Everbody is a potential victim of humanity and a potential victim of testicle  induced crime.
There is no special victimhood in trans collective, poblation is low. so data might get crazy.

Statistics also suck, you need to trust the source and that the guy you show it trust the source too. Then if the guy diagrees, then statistics are not proof enough, and it is a valid argument


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26351539 - 11/29/19 06:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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You said it youself, there are 33 drowns just in spain, there are more worldwide drown than trans being murdered. So, drowns in general are statistically worse than trans in general (i just used spain data because that is what i know). And yeah, soanish people need special care, if spanish people stopped being spanish and become whatever, dutch, it would be better.
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Your logic would make some sense here if the global population exposed to water and the global population that are trans were at all comparable values

or if my position were that drowning should be totally disregarded, rather than teaching proper swimming techniques and water safety

but there is nothing saying that both issues can't have attention paid to them, so not sure why you seem so desperate to downplay one for the other

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Have you thought joining the marvellous world of software developing? it pays good and it is honest enough
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are you offering to employ me?

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Here there are like... 80 dominas in Madrid? half of them professional. New generations are more sexually "explorative" but mostly is men who are dominant and half woman who are submissive, half of the amout men submissive and one in a million a woman dominant.
About gays, they are more kinky than bdsm, at least my experience
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only 80 dominas in a city of 6.55 million

Spain sounds kind of repressed

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And yes, statistically men are the criminals and the victims. My point is, trans are not special. Everbody is a potential victim of humanity and a potential victim of testicle  induced crime.
There is no special victimhood in trans collective, poblation is low. so data might get crazy.
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Your "point" appears to be that larger populations get exposed to more violence because they are larger populations

How many murders were there in Spain this year?
if your logic is consistent, nearly double the amount Spanish citizens would have been murdered this year compared to transpeople, because there are more Spanish citizens on Earth
most recent number that came up for me googling (in English tho) was 307 murders in 2017
that is about half of the number that would meet my expectation, following your presented logic


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Eminence]
    #26351906 - 11/29/19 12:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Eminence said: "Western values" have gone too far in the opposite direction of something like Islam. That's pretty apparent when you have fathers losing custody battles against the mother of a kid who's being forced to dress and be treated like a girl when he doesn't want to.



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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika]
    #26351909 - 11/29/19 12:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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if they don't want to learn and adhere to Western values, they should go back where they came from :shrug:



America says by hating gays they are adhering to western values. 
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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26352013 - 11/29/19 01:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Still, you are speaking about spanish murders,i am not, i just quoted spanish data as a referential point.
My point is, more whatever people die from drowning, bdsm going wrong, diabetes, obesity, accidents in  the workplace... than transexuals die from murder. And society dont give a crap about those issues because they are low numbers.  It doesn't matter if being a transexual makes you more likely to die from murder because there are so many deaths, murders and issues in general than the low amount of transexual deaths is too low to move anyone. I am even sure more transexuals die from suicide than from murder.

If you were the god emperor of earth and had to choose between saving 30000 transexual in murdering progress lives or 100000 whatever lives in murdering progress, choosing transexual lives would be... i don't know, arbitrary or somekind of trans supremacy thought. You can even save more people in the world by making pools an beaches safer than for trying to make intolerant people less intolerant (if that is even possible).

I speak about the world, but im kinda sure about USA is the same.



Muslims or neonazis or whatever killing peoole or giving brutal beatings are a problem for everyone. Hell, neonazis beats more antifas and metalheads and immigrants here than they beat trans or gays, and i am sure they want to do it.

Sorry but no, muslim saria violence is an issue for all not muslims, it is even a problem for them i dare to say.





Also, i cant employ you, i am not in that position anymore and i dont have your CV. But there is a lot of software related works, or engineering or mathematical, you can even try learning languages and teaching them and translate, 18k should be easily obtainable for an american what the fuck


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26352082 - 11/29/19 01:45 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

All I know is I don't think grade-school kids need to be taught about sexuality; especially in schools. Too much opportunity for sickos to take advantage of the situation imo. Kids these days got the internet, they don't need creepy adults at school to brainwash them further.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26352096 - 11/29/19 01:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Still, you are speaking about spanish murders,i am not, i just quoted spanish data as a referential point.
My point is, more whatever people die from drowning, bdsm going wrong, diabetes, obesity, accidents in  the workplace... than transexuals die from murder. And society dont give a crap about those issues because they are low numbers.  It doesn't matter if being a transexual makes you more likely to die from murder because there are so many deaths, murders and issues in general than the low amount of transexual deaths is too low to move anyone. I am even sure more transexuals die from suicide than from murder.
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Man, Spain must suck
Here in Canada, things like diabetes (public health care provides free insulin), obesity, and dangerous workplace environments are considered real issues

but duly noted that you personally find the numbers too low to matter
given that the number of trans murders is seemingly higher than the number of Spanish murders
is your position then also that murdered Spanish citizens don't matter because the deaths are too low to move anyone?

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If you were the god emperor of earth and had to choose between saving 30000 transexual in murdering progress lives or 100000 whatever lives in murdering progress, choosing transexual lives would be... i don't know, arbitrary or somekind of trans supremacy thought. You can even save more people in the world by making pools an beaches safer than for trying to make intolerant people less intolerant (if that is even possible).
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As God Empress of Earth
my choice would be to save all 130000 human individuals
what is arbitrary is your selection of these talking points
am not, in any way, saying that trans rights are the only issue that matters
just that it is an issue as worthy of recognition as others

and, more than that, am simply talking about trans rights in a thread already focused on LGBT affairs
:shrug:

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Muslims or neonazis or whatever killing peoole or giving brutal beatings are a problem for everyone. Hell, neonazis beats more antifas and metalheads and immigrants here than they beat trans or gays, and i am sure they want to do it.
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And while shivas.wisdom gets a lot of dislike around this forum
am personally thankful to know that he's willing to take that stand on my behalf, take a punch so I don't have too, stomp a fash to protect me because I'm scared of violence or messing up my heels

again, not minimizing these realities
just recognizing that other threads exist that are focused on those topics

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Sorry but no, muslim saria violence is an issue for all not muslims, it is even a problem for them i dare to say.
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am not clear on what you are trying to say here
but to reiterate one of my earlier statements in this thread -- am not worried about muslims hating on me for being trans (and a lesbian)
am worried about muslims hating on trans and gay muslims, in insular muslim communities, where traditional beliefs may increase the likelihood of danger to them

similarly, this is neither me saying that being trans in Canada makes me more in danger from Sharia violence than other infidels
just a recognition of my blessing to be able to be openly trans and lez in "white communities," like the Shroomery,
and not have any real fear of lethal violence from other members of my community

at most, someone may call me names they find amusing
my relative level of danger for being trans in a first world Western country is real low
and am thankful for that -- find it a damn shame that comfort is not sufficiently extending to transwomen who have other additional minority status or less safe communities tho


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...18k should be easily obtainable for an american what the fuck




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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26352117 - 11/29/19 02:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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All I know is I don't think grade-school kids need to be taught about sexuality; especially in schools. Too much opportunity for sickos to take advantage of the situation imo. Kids these days got the internet, they don't need creepy adults at school to brainwash them further.




This is an interesting sentiment
what do you feel makes a heavily regimented and supervised situation easily exploitable

do you feel these kids would be better protected meeting strange adults online via places like youtube?

or do you propose stronger devices and rules against children accessing online spaces -- this is my own line of thought
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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika]
    #26352126 - 11/29/19 02:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

All I know is growing up I came into contact with plenty of weirdo teachers; and i've heard plenty of stories as well, and the idea of now having sex ed for kids who haven't even hit puberty is just unnecessary imo.

that said if i ever do have kids their not going to public school; that shit is going down the tubes fast. i'll put them in extra curricular shit so they get to socialize, but fuck having them drown in establishment propaganda among all the prison-like shit that goes on at schools.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26352147 - 11/29/19 02:16 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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All I know is growing up I came into contact with plenty of weirdo teachers; and i've heard plenty of stories as well, and the idea of now having sex ed for kids who haven't even hit puberty is just unnecessary imo.

that said if i ever do have kids their not going to public school; that shit is going down the tubes fast. i'll put them in extra curricular shit so they get to socialize, but fuck having them drown in establishment propaganda among all the prison-like shit that goes on at schools.




remember my own weirdo teachers,
but never experienced any issues -- not aware of any with my grade school teachers either
but one of my high school math teachers used to go to the local bars and try to pick up all the girls from his classes after they graduated

of course, high school teachers are notorious for diddling students


homeschooling with proper socialization on the side does seem a far better option
...went to say something like martial arts for physical and character development,
then remembered one of Canada's politicians a few months ago talking about being sexually abused by his Karate or Tae Kwon Do teacher
-_-

so am really thankful to have opted out of parenthood already, and wish you the best of luck if it is a path you take
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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Tantrika]
    #26352169 - 11/29/19 02:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Word up bro. Yeah so that's why I think if I was a parent, especially a religious one, I wouldn't want sex-ed to be taught to my kids by some stranger I don't even know; I mean for all we know their could be pedophiles in those schools (they've been caught in the past; it's not that far of a stretch)

in general i don't support indoctrination or brainwashing; and in all honesty i don't think the schools should have the right to teach kids much about sex if anything; i think that should be the parents job; i concede that there are a lot of shit parents out there so their kids might not get taught, so at the most i think schools should tell teenagers about safe sex (but lets get real by the time your a teenager these days, with the internet, how do you not already know about condoms and birth control and shit like that?)


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26352187 - 11/29/19 02:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I see, so the smartest thing to do is to hide information from children, that way creepy teachers can more easily trick and manipulate them.

One of the largest advocates against sex education is also the largest world wide child rape ring.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26352196 - 11/29/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

kids got the internet bruh; their aint no hiding shit from them; all sex ed in school is now is not education it's just creepy adults creepin on kids that already know what they're being taught and then some


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26352204 - 11/29/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

And you know this how?


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    #26352278 - 11/29/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

For anyone who cares about studies, I haven't found a single one against sex ed.  Here's one of the MANY I've seen in favor of it:

FiveThirtyEight:  What Does Science Tell Us About Sex Ed?
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Hundreds of studies on sex ed and teen pregnancy prevention programs have been conducted, and what they show is that teaching kids about sex doesn’t make them start breeding like rabbits. Instead, it may prod them to delay having sex. Comprehensive sex education programs that include information about contraception have also been shown to reduce rates of teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases and to increase the use of condoms and other contraceptives.




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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: StygianKnight]
    #26352286 - 11/29/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Word up bro. Yeah so that's why I think if I was a parent, especially a religious one, I wouldn't want sex-ed to be taught to my kids by some stranger I don't even know; I mean for all we know their could be pedophiles in those schools (they've been caught in the past; it's not that far of a stretch)

in general i don't support indoctrination or brainwashing; and in all honesty i don't think the schools should have the right to teach kids much about sex if anything; i think that should be the parents job; i concede that there are a lot of shit parents out there so their kids might not get taught, so at the most i think schools should tell teenagers about safe sex (but lets get real by the time your a teenager these days, with the internet, how do you not already know about condoms and birth control and shit like that?)




Can comprehend religious fears of children learning sciences, but am unclear on how the "especially a religious one" plays into additional fear of pedophilia in the schools
is this sort of leaning into a concept that authority figures tend to be pedophiles because religious authority figures are frequently pedophiles?

Could maybe see the angle of muslim mothers (seemingly the majority of the protestors in the images in OP links) being fearful that secular teachers are inclined towards abuse if they were previously abused by religious teachers

that would contextualize the false claims they were making:
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He cited claims made by speakers at protests, such as the school had a "pedophile agenda" and that staff were "teaching children how to masturbate.'' The judge remarked that “none of this is true.”




Out of interest, how do you feel this relates to teaching of human and non-human biology in sciences
do we approach issues like "trans-lions" that defy typical gender norms
or brush them under the rug and tell kids any lion with a mane is a male, because the males have manes
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Five lionesses in Botswana have grown a mane and are showing male-like behaviours. One is even roaring and mounting other females.

Male lions are distinguished by their mane, which they use to attract females, and they roar to protect their territory or call upon members of their pride. Females lack a mane and are not as vocal.

But sometimes lionesses grow a mane and even behave a bit like males. However, until now, reports of such maned lionesses have been extremely rare and largely anecdotal. We knew they existed, but little about how they behave.

Now, Geoffrey D. Gilfillan at the University of Sussex in Falmer, UK, and colleagues have reported five lionesses sporting a mane at the Moremi Game Reserve in Botswana’s Okavango delta.

Gilfillan started studying these lionesses back in March 2014, and for the next two years he focused on recording the behaviour of one of them, called SaF05. She had an underdeveloped mane and was larger than most females.

“While SaF05 is mostly female in her behaviour – staying with the pride, mating males – she also has some male behaviours, such as increased scent-marking and roaring, as well as mounting other females,” says Gilfillan.

“Although females do roar and scent-mark like males, they usually do so less frequently,” he says. “SaF05, however, was much more male-like in her behaviour, regularly scent-marking and roaring.”

A likely explanation is an increased level of testosterone as these lionesses mature, says Luke Hunter, president and chief conservation officer at the global wild cat conservation organisation Panthera.

In lions, testosterone directly affects the development of manes. Castrated males, for example, lose their ability to produce testosterone and promptly lose their mane, too.

In 2011, a captive lioness called Emma at the National Zoological Gardens of South Africa developed a mane. Tests revealed high levels of testosterone due to a problem in her ovaries, and once they were removed she reverted to a typical lioness.

The idea that testosterone is implicated in the Botswana lionesses is also backed by observations of their reproductive success, says Kathleen Alexander at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg.

“While some of the maned lionesses were observed mating, none of them became pregnant, suggesting they are infertile, a known consequence of high levels of androgens such as testosterone in females,” she says. “The behavioural changes suggest this is likely the case.”

Hunter suspects this explanation applies to the animals studied by Gilfillan and his colleagues. “Given all five known maned females come from the Okavango region, there must be a genetic component in this population underlying the phenomenon,” he says.

“I don’t think this is anything to be concerned about,” says Hunter. “Although the females are apparently infertile, they otherwise appear to live long, healthy lives. And from a conservation perspective, there is nothing to suggest the pattern is increasing or will ever be anything more than a rare, local phenomenon.”

No one seems to be studying the exact genetic and hormonal causes of this phenomenon at the moment. “I guess there are just one or a few genes altered,” says Vincent Savolainen at Imperial College London, who had a student briefly work on the possible causes. “I believe some masculinised genes have been documented in domesticated cats – it would be good to look into this, especially given that the cat genome is available as reference.”

Could the masculinised females in fact be a boon to the pride when it comes to competing with other prides? It’s possible, it seems.

Gilfillan says he once saw SaF05 bring down a zebra. “A neighbouring pride stole the zebra from SaF05, but in return SaF05 killed two of their cubs.”

Cub-killing behaviour is rare in females but common in males.



https://www.newscientist.com/article/2106866-five-wild-lionesses-grow-a-mane-and-start-acting-like-males/

not wanting to argue that animals should be used as a basis to justify LGBT matters, the quoted story does clarify how infrequent such irregularities in sexual dimorphism occur

but biological diversity among fauna is really interesting -- and with the mass extinction of many of Earths species,
animal sciences are likely to put greater focus on studying variations within species and how this does or does not play into new evolutionary adaptations as previous ecological niches vanish or become vacant

do you envision an ideal in public education being teaching of this sort of thing in the animal kingdom
and leaving it as a ball for children to pass to their parents or the internet for exploration of human expressions?

Full disclosure, a lot of my trying to ask this as an actual point of interest
keeps being haunted by the fact that The Bad Touch by The Bloodhound Gang came out around grade 7 for me
and remember a shitty experience of having to try to explain my feelings to the counsellor that censorship of music is an awful course of action that limits freedom of expression
with her grilling me about whether that meant I felt the kindergartners should be listening to the Bloodhound Gang song that was all over the music channel and radio



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    #26352319 - 11/29/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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    #26352768 - 11/29/19 08:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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All I know is growing up I came into contact with plenty of weirdo teachers; and i've heard plenty of stories as well, and the idea of now having sex ed for kids who haven't even hit puberty is just unnecessary imo.

that said if i ever do have kids their not going to public school; that shit is going down the tubes fast. i'll put them in extra curricular shit so they get to socialize, but fuck having them drown in establishment propaganda among all the prison-like shit that goes on at schools.




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    #26352771 - 11/29/19 08:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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A combination of intuition and common sense.



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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26352785 - 11/29/19 08:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ya because when you were 15 the stuff you were researching on the internet was
how to have safe sex and information about std prevention :rolleyes:


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When I was 15 I had known about condoms for years... lmfao


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26353036 - 11/30/19 01:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't see how muslim religion would be open to values of homosexuality, transsexualism or in acceptance of others in general.
And i don't think is possible in catholicism or for an orthodox.

I don't say it as a neckbeard atheist. But i don't think it is a minority problem, but a cultural one. In order to change a culture so much in so many time you would need a miracle or a catastrophe.



Muslims are more accepting of gay people then evangelicals in the US.



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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26353557 - 11/30/19 10:36 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

He's an atheist Jew, they are notorious for shitting on christians at any turn while using other religions they also hate to pin against them too.


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    #26353574 - 11/30/19 10:43 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Atheist Jew 🤦‍♂️


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    #26353595 - 11/30/19 10:53 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tantrika, no, a lot of "white" people do have a problem with it. But "white" people lack balls today, because to us/them, being called a "bigot" is the worst thing that can happen.

And sure, so far there's only one case of that happening, but why the fuck did it happen at all? He's just the only one who had to fight a custody battle, he's not the only one whose child has been pressured into it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate gay or trans people, but like I said this isn't about acceptance anymore. This is getting to be about forcing people to comply. Like George Carlin said, "political correctness is just fascism with manners."

I'd defend a trans or gay person if I saw someone attacking them just for being that way. If I saw one getting attacked by a parent for trying to convince their kid how "cool" or "unique" it is or trying to tell them they're not the sex they actually are like a few teachers have been starting to do now, I ain't stepping in though.


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I don't see how muslim religion would be open to values of homosexuality, transsexualism or in acceptance of others in general.
And i don't think is possible in catholicism or for an orthodox.

I don't say it as a neckbeard atheist. But i don't think it is a minority problem, but a cultural one. In order to change a culture so much in so many time you would need a miracle or a catastrophe.



Muslims are more accepting of gay people then evangelicals in the US.



koods world view continues to be confined to the country he lives in despite not even liking it




Muslims are better people than Christians, but religious people are worse than non religious. I generally do not associate with people who go to church or temple or whatever. Ain’t nobody got time for that bullshit


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    #26353601 - 11/30/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist Jew 🤦‍♂️




Everyone knows you people class yourselves as your own race, and are even protected under the law as a "victim" class. Don't try to play dumb.


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    #26353617 - 11/30/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Muslims are better people than Christians, but religious people are worse than non religious. I generally do not associate with people who go to church or temple or whatever. Ain’t nobody got time for that bullshit




Some are, but you base this off the way gays or trans or women are treated..and everybody knows, Christian countries are better to live in for those people. The only place where Christians are as brutal as Muslims to these demographics are places in Africa. How many times these days has a woman gone to a Christian country to prove how misunderstood they actually are and ended up gang raped and beheaded?


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    #26353625 - 11/30/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist Jew 🤦‍♂️




Everyone knows you people class yourselves as your own race, and are even protected under the law as a "victim" class. Don't try to play dumb.



Not Jewish. Have no Jewish ancestors. No Jewish DNA. No Jewish relatives. I have no idea why you think I’m Jewish 🤦‍♂️


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26353651 - 11/30/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Man, Spain must suck
Here in Canada, things like diabetes (public health care provides free insulin), obesity, and dangerous workplace environments are considered real issues

but duly noted that you personally find the numbers too low to matter
given that the number of trans murders is seemingly higher than the number of Spanish murders
is your position then also that murdered Spanish citizens don't matter because the deaths are too low to move anyone?


As God Empress of Earth
my choice would be to save all 130000 human individuals
what is arbitrary is your selection of these talking points
am not, in any way, saying that trans rights are the only issue that matters
just that it is an issue as worthy of recognition as others

and, more than that, am simply talking about trans rights in a thread already focused on LGBT affairs
:shrug:


And while shivas.wisdom gets a lot of dislike around this forum
am personally thankful to know that he's willing to take that stand on my behalf, take a punch so I don't have too, stomp a fash to protect me because I'm scared of violence or messing up my heels

again, not minimizing these realities
just recognizing that other threads exist that are focused on those topics


am not clear on what you are trying to say here
but to reiterate one of my earlier statements in this thread -- am not worried about muslims hating on me for being trans (and a lesbian)
am worried about muslims hating on trans and gay muslims, in insular muslim communities, where traditional beliefs may increase the likelihood of danger to them

similarly, this is neither me saying that being trans in Canada makes me more in danger from Sharia violence than other infidels
just a recognition of my blessing to be able to be openly trans and lez in "white communities," like the Shroomery,
and not have any real fear of lethal violence from other members of my community

at most, someone may call me names they find amusing
my relative level of danger for being trans in a first world Western country is real low
and am thankful for that -- find it a damn shame that comfort is not sufficiently extending to transwomen who have other additional minority status or less safe communities tho


Ok boomer :heart:





Again, my point is, it is impossible or it should be impossible to convince society of special problems of transexual people on muslim territories because its is an absolute small problem even if it is a relative big problem.
Statistically speaking, big and easily handled issues are more likely being adressed that small and hard handled issues.
And yes, that is why to the world spanish murders doesn't matter, even if it matters to spanish people.
Just in case, i don't give a crap about spain in general. But my argument is that worlwide murders are higher than trans murders (duh), grown people are higher than murdered trans, as are a lot of other issues there. That is why transexual deaths are on low priority.
I am not saying at all i don't give a crap about transexual murders (i don't) i am just saying why society doesn't give a crap, or why it would be a bad symptom if it did.

Again, you tried to save everyone as god emperor, since it was a thing you needed to choose, you killed them all for refusing to choose. That is the point, there are not resources for everything. Or at least, that is the way society works.

Being in a western community is not free of violence. Neonazis and antifas had both sent me into the hospital a few times. Most my teeth are broken or replaced, my right shoulder is rekt, my jaw doesn,t properly shut. And that was just by giving my opinion. I've been robbed, spitted and insulted just for looking too rich or looking too poor. An other times it was because i looked into it for fun.
A few times my live was a risk and i had to run faster. And i am white and blonde.
I would have been killed in a muslim country for my way of life for sure. I am as fucked as you are, and i believe a lot of other people are fucked under muslim law as you and i are. Trying over and over to focus on "my collective is in worse state therefore we need more help" is repulsive to me. Stop finding more boxes and labels to make you different.


Also, i was tought that you americans earned a lot of more money and didn't pay as much taxes as we do. A software developer in USA can earn like 60k a year for a shitty job. That is double what i earn. I was trying to help giving you cheap job advice.
There is a wave in the software world. Easy money for a few decades left.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26353694 - 11/30/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Atheist Jew 🤦‍♂️




Everyone knows you people class yourselves as your own race, and are even protected under the law as a "victim" class. Don't try to play dumb.



Not Jewish. Have no Jewish ancestors. No Jewish DNA. No Jewish relatives. I have no idea why you think I’m Jewish 🤦‍♂️




So if someone asks you what your ethnic/religious/racial heritage is, what do you say?  :popcorn:


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: qman]
    #26353751 - 11/30/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

White. my moms family is catholic French and polish. Dad’s family is atheist British loyalist left the US after the war for Canada. Both sides most recently came from Nova Scotia about 100 years ago, my dad’s side were the British oppressors and my moms side were oppressed French speaking Acadians who came to New England to work in the textile mills. All those French names you see on mailboxes in southern new hampsire and the northern suburbs of Boston are my relatives.

Except for my polish born grandfather, both sides of my family have been in North America since the 1600s


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that explains a lot... lol


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    #26353790 - 11/30/19 12:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Tantrika, no, a lot of "white" people do have a problem with it. But "white" people lack balls today, because to us/them, being called a "bigot" is the worst thing that can happen.
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Well, no offense, but maybe y'all should stop being such snowflakes and speak out

I get called bigot for some of my views, I also get called Truscum which is a unique trans-community insult for trans individuals who are not considered supportive enough of all the variations of trans individuals
then on the other side of things I get called freak, tranny, a pedophile, a sexual predator

but my comment did recognize that there may be a minority of "white" people who were too afraid to protest alongside muslim women in face coverings

but, more relevantly, the idea that there might be a few chickenshit individuals on the side of the muslims in this debate but afraid to speak up
that reinforces that the broader community is fine with it

interestingly, not even Tommy Robinson appeared to come out and say the LGBT values of the course were too extreme or fostering pedophilia
and he's already proved he has the "balls" to go out and get arrested for speaking up against things he believes is wrong

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And sure, so far there's only one case of that happening, but why the fuck did it happen at all? He's just the only one who had to fight a custody battle, he's not the only one whose child has been pressured into it.
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Do you think it happened at all because kids are being educated about trans and gay rights

or do you think it happened because the distorted values of the childcare system always prioritizes the mother while putting the father on the back burner
because fathers are not traditionally considered as the primary care giver

do think the situation you are referring to is atrocious, and that better protections need to be built into the child custody systems
but do not think it is a by-product of the type of LGBT lessons the muslims are complaining about

especially as you highlighted it is the mother and her lover who pressure the kid, not the kid having learned about being trans and ostracizing his own father for not accepting it

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Don't get me wrong, I don't hate gay or trans people, but like I said this isn't about acceptance anymore. This is getting to be about forcing people to comply. Like George Carlin said, "political correctness is just fascism with manners."
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and when George Carlin said that, it was politically incorrect to be a transwoman or even a transvestite

my favourite Shania Twain song is inspired by transvestites, and my favourite line is
"ain't gonna act politically correct, I only want to have a good time"



while respecting and agreeing with your view that you may not want to develop fascist manners
feel it is also relevant to notify you that earlier this year the UK government also cracked down on transwomen, claiming that trying to verbally defend ourselves from transphobes endangers women
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-05-02/zombie-land-saga-lily-becomes-example-in-u.k-parliament-talks-on-twitter-abuse/.146349

so this image:

was misquoted (as "shut the fuck up cunt" to make it seem more anti-woman rather than anti-terf)
as part of a campaign of powerful women trying to shut down minority (read: trans) women

Quote:

Cherry contrasted Twitter’s failure to respond quickly to misogynistic abuse with examples of alacritous intolerance to tweets that raised the issue of male violence — citing examples of users who had had their Twitter accounts temporarily suspended for making factual, gender-based observations with a male flavor — such as that, on aggregate, men kill more than women.

Or tweets citing British law — which states that only a man can commit rape.

“There seem to be a number of mistakes here. And they seem to be mistakes that are failing to protect women. Do you accept that?” asked Cherry.



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The abusive tweets discussed during this portion of the session appeared to have been targeted at cisgender women, i.e. at women whose gender identity matches their birth sex.

To be clear, the term ‘cisgender’ was not used during the questioning session. But ‘terf’ — a term that stands for ‘trans-exclusionary radical feminist’ and is used to refer to people who reject the rights of trans women — was directly referred to during the hearing, featuring in several of the tweets that Cherry raised with Twitter. The MP suggested the term “tends” to be applied to women.




https://techcrunch.com/2019/05/01/twitter-grilled-on-policy-approach-that-reinforces-misogyny/

but, hey, maybe fascism isn't scary until you feel like you are the one who risks being "silenced" by it

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I'd defend a trans or gay person if I saw someone attacking them just for being that way. If I saw one getting attacked by a parent for trying to convince their kid how "cool" or "unique" it is or trying to tell them they're not the sex they actually are like a few teachers have been starting to do now, I ain't stepping in though.




it interests me that you state a position of defense for trans people
but in the same paragraph make a point of referencing trans individuals as "not the sex they actually are"

while more of a trans-adjacent issue, what do you feel is the best course of action for intersex inviduals or those with genetic abnormalities that tend them towards secondary sex expressions that do not match their assigned birth sex?


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    #26353799 - 11/30/19 12:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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    #26353809 - 11/30/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Man, Spain must suck
Here in Canada, things like diabetes (public health care provides free insulin), obesity, and dangerous workplace environments are considered real issues

but duly noted that you personally find the numbers too low to matter
given that the number of trans murders is seemingly higher than the number of Spanish murders
is your position then also that murdered Spanish citizens don't matter because the deaths are too low to move anyone?


As God Empress of Earth
my choice would be to save all 130000 human individuals
what is arbitrary is your selection of these talking points
am not, in any way, saying that trans rights are the only issue that matters
just that it is an issue as worthy of recognition as others

and, more than that, am simply talking about trans rights in a thread already focused on LGBT affairs
:shrug:


And while shivas.wisdom gets a lot of dislike around this forum
am personally thankful to know that he's willing to take that stand on my behalf, take a punch so I don't have too, stomp a fash to protect me because I'm scared of violence or messing up my heels

again, not minimizing these realities
just recognizing that other threads exist that are focused on those topics


am not clear on what you are trying to say here
but to reiterate one of my earlier statements in this thread -- am not worried about muslims hating on me for being trans (and a lesbian)
am worried about muslims hating on trans and gay muslims, in insular muslim communities, where traditional beliefs may increase the likelihood of danger to them

similarly, this is neither me saying that being trans in Canada makes me more in danger from Sharia violence than other infidels
just a recognition of my blessing to be able to be openly trans and lez in "white communities," like the Shroomery,
and not have any real fear of lethal violence from other members of my community

at most, someone may call me names they find amusing
my relative level of danger for being trans in a first world Western country is real low
and am thankful for that -- find it a damn shame that comfort is not sufficiently extending to transwomen who have other additional minority status or less safe communities tho


Ok boomer :heart:





Again, my point is, it is impossible or it should be impossible to convince society of special problems of transexual people on muslim territories because its is an absolute small problem even if it is a relative big problem.
Statistically speaking, big and easily handled issues are more likely being adressed that small and hard handled issues.
And yes, that is why to the world spanish murders doesn't matter, even if it matters to spanish people.
Just in case, i don't give a crap about spain in general. But my argument is that worlwide murders are higher than trans murders (duh), grown people are higher than murdered trans, as are a lot of other issues there. That is why transexual deaths are on low priority.
I am not saying at all i don't give a crap about transexual murders (i don't) i am just saying why society doesn't give a crap, or why it would be a bad symptom if it did.
...




Society does give a crap tho
there are political movements all over the world finally engaging to protect transwomen

you keep talking about how unimportant the matter is to you then trying to tell me that means it is unimportant to the rest of the world
but you are not providing anything that backs that up

but acknowledge and recognize that you at least care enough to keep posting about it in this thread
so there is that

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Again, you tried to save everyone as god emperor, since it was a thing you needed to choose, you killed them all for refusing to choose. That is the point, there are not resources for everything. Or at least, that is the way society works.
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You gave me a hypothetical situation where my power was beyond limits (God Empress)
then tried to claim that my acceptance and utilization of that power means I fucked up your hypothetical situation and killed them all

you also ignore the fact that I would willingly sacrifice my all-powerful self to save all of them, if the "law of equivalent exchange" had to be monitored

but by making up a cartoonish example of nothingness, you have not made any point about actual society that you seem to believe you have

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Being in a western community is not free of violence. Neonazis and antifas had both sent me into the hospital a few times. Most my teeth are broken or replaced, my right shoulder is rekt, my jaw doesn,t properly shut. And that was just by giving my opinion. I've been robbed, spitted and insulted just for looking too rich or looking too poor. An other times it was because i looked into it for fun.
A few times my live was a risk and i had to run faster. And i am white and blonde.
I would have been killed in a muslim country for my way of life for sure. I am as fucked as you are, and i believe a lot of other people are fucked under muslim law as you and i are. Trying over and over to focus on "my collective is in worse state therefore we need more help" is repulsive to me. Stop finding more boxes and labels to make you different.
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My statement was never that being in a Western Community is free from violence
just that my risk of violence is significantly lower
because white communities are less likely to enact fatal violence against white transwomen than minority communities are likely to enact fatal violence against minority transwomen

given that this is a thread about LGBT treatment by minority communities, it makes perfect sense for me to focus on the topics at hand

meanwhile, you are coming in here and offering up a bunch of completely unrelated affairs, and trying to use them to denigrate the value of the topic of the thread

maybe rather than trying to show me all the boxes that make you different from the on-topic matters in this thread
you could engage with the actual thread topic for a change
instead of acting like your identity is so important it has to be considered first
before trans and minority matters can be discussed, in a space opened for discussing trans an minority matters

You won't, but you could

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Also, i was tought that you americans earned a lot of more money and didn't pay as much taxes as we do. A software developer in USA can earn like 60k a year for a shitty job. That is double what i earn. I was trying to help giving you cheap job advice.
There is a wave in the software world. Easy money for a few decades left.




the content you quoted references me as not being an American multiple times
that is only really the start of the issues with you not paying attention to the matters being discussed in my posts tho

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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26353820 - 11/30/19 12:51 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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that explains a lot... lol




How so?



I'm 30% Pakistani, and have ancestry that participated in the revolution and had ties with the Masons. Ancestry can tell a lot about a person.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26353834 - 11/30/19 01:00 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My first boyfriend was Pakistani.

How can someone be 30% anything though? I thought ancestry came in powers of 2


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26353878 - 11/30/19 01:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Point taken. It's not really an accurate number. The dna test I took was kind of weird and I just took the numbers it gave me that didn't necessarily represent percentage and totaled them up to make a rough estimate. I can post that shit. It's kind of cool to think about, I got legit over a dozen different nationalities according to the one test. That said the way the test works is based on percent of the population of said country that has the same genetic markers or whatever. I think. lol


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26354368 - 11/30/19 05:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm white and my first real girlfriend was black, does that mean anything?  Nope.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: meltdowner]
    #26354455 - 11/30/19 06:48 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

My point was, and still is. Muslim and close minded people(muslims, opus dei, neonazis,antifas etc) are a threat to anyone who doesn't fit their rules. Trans are a group that doesn't, but in western society almost nobody does.

Then i put examples of why your statistics meant nothing and then argument that even if they did it could not prove anything because statistics need the be obscenely large to become a proof.

Then i also spoke about why trans aren't forced to become whores and how it is mainly easy money, not a form of slavery and spoke about my personal experience on the matter.


You can keep separating in tiny boxes of similar people putting labels to differentiate one to another or you can try to find another another alies with the same objectives without focusing on your differences.


Still, when i read info here from america software developers earn more than software developers here, and you have a lot of less employement than we do, at least for young people. Getting money with smaller taxes, no healthcare payments and cheaper houses and food should be easier for you than it is for us. If i had followed another career onstead of engineering i wouldn't earn what i do now, that is why i choose this career and study a few hours per day in my free time to improve the cv
Also, far as i know, i am a millenial but whatever fits your meme. But if we want to take the meme. you just sound like a zoomer.
Do you honestly believe it was a bad advice? you could just said you didn't want to work as a developer.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26354464 - 11/30/19 06:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26354498 - 11/30/19 07:13 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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My point was, and still is. Muslim and close minded people(muslims, opus dei, neonazis,antifas etc) are a threat to anyone who doesn't fit their rules. Trans are a group that doesn't, but in western society almost nobody does.
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And if you lived in an insular muslim community in the UK pushing for Sharia law
my concern for would be as high as it is for trans muslims living in those circumstances
or possibly higher, as a blonde haired white guy may have a harder time blending in than someone hiding their gender identity or sexuality

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Then i put examples of why your statistics meant nothing and then argument that even if they did it could not prove anything because statistics need the be obscenely large to become a proof.
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Is that how you refer to you telling me about 33 drowning in Spain?

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Then i also spoke about why trans aren't forced to become whores and how it is mainly easy money, not a form of slavery and spoke about my personal experience on the matter.
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You referenced your girlfriend in a well-off community
and tried to utilize that to explain away the fact that people who are trans and in less fortunate circumstances
are more likely to turn to prostitution

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You can keep separating in tiny boxes of similar people putting labels to differentiate one to another or you can try to find another another alies with the same objectives without focusing on your differences.
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the trans community is already building allies
:shrug:

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Still, when i read info here from america software developers earn more than software developers here, and you have a lot of less employement than we do, at least for young people. Getting money with smaller taxes, no healthcare payments and cheaper houses and food should be easier for you than it is for us. If i had followed another career onstead of engineering i wouldn't earn what i do now, that is why i choose this career and study a few hours per day in my free time to improve the cv
...




This would all be real insightful if my being an American
or even still living in Montréal where Ubisoft has an office
instead of in an area of small fishing and mining communities in rural Canada

but, believe me, if a company like Bethesda Game Studios hired me on as a writer or quest designer for their games
would jump at the opportunity
tho there would also need to be some way for me to work out moving to Maryland

this is not to say my course is not in the right direction
am studying 3D modelling and design in my personal time
opportunities in my area are not vast, but some pop up
and, at the very least, it will allow me to sell digital artwork on the side and while job hunting

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Also, far as i know, i am a millenial but whatever fits your meme. But if we want to take the meme. you just sound like a zoomer.
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Do you honestly believe it was a bad advice? you could just said you didn't want to work as a developer.




Think it was prolly great advice to you from you, and respect that you meant it well
like how my father used to give me advice in the form of telling me I should give up on university and everything and follow his footsteps by learning welding or electrician work
but at least your suggestion is adjacent to an area of my interests and existing pursuits


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: living_failure]
    #26354645 - 11/30/19 09:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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My point was, and still is. Muslim and close minded people(muslims, opus dei, neonazis,antifas etc) are a threat to anyone who doesn't fit their rules. Trans are a group that doesn't, but in western society almost nobody does.

Then i put examples of why your statistics meant nothing and then argument that even if they did it could not prove anything because statistics need the be obscenely large to become a proof.

Then i also spoke about why trans aren't forced to become whores and how it is mainly easy money, not a form of slavery and spoke about my personal experience on the matter.


You can keep separating in tiny boxes of similar people putting labels to differentiate one to another or you can try to find another another alies with the same objectives without focusing on your differences.


Still, when i read info here from america software developers earn more than software developers here, and you have a lot of less employement than we do, at least for young people. Getting money with smaller taxes, no healthcare payments and cheaper houses and food should be easier for you than it is for us. If i had followed another career onstead of engineering i wouldn't earn what i do now, that is why i choose this career and study a few hours per day in my free time to improve the cv
Also, far as i know, i am a millenial but whatever fits your meme. But if we want to take the meme. you just sound like a zoomer.
Do you honestly believe it was a bad advice? you could just said you didn't want to work as a developer.




People will always segregate based on something.  Maybe next year it's not color but ideology.  Maybe it's sexuality.  Maybe it's eye color.

It's human nature and it is natural.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26354676 - 11/30/19 09:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Tribalism may be part of human nature, but that doesn’t mean we don’t make subjective decisions about who is in the tribe and who is not. It’s doesn’t mean it is an instinct that should be indulged. Society itself of an exercise in tempering the more destructive elements of human nature.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26354960 - 12/01/19 04:24 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I would argue that society was what allowed the destructive parts of human nature to thrive with more frequency and on a much larger scale.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26354971 - 12/01/19 04:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Pretty damn sure things were a lot more brutal in the past


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: koods]
    #26354978 - 12/01/19 04:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Before society and civilization? Nah. We were just animals doin animal shit, dawg. Killin shit, yeah. But in an animal way. It was civilization that brought warfare, brutality, corruption, all that 'destructive human nature' stuff. If we were hunter gatherers still, the most brutality we'll have ever heard of would've been a dude beatin another dude with a rock cuz he killed the antelope first. Not all the crazy shit that's been going on for the past ~10,000 years.

Society was not some experiment to see if we could be more moral and ethical with our tribe. It was just easier to chill out and wait for food to grow then it was to chase it.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: dreamachine]
    #26355113 - 12/01/19 08:00 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

You know how pro Muslim and pro refugee I am?

Muslim refugees must be prevented from taking away LGBTQI+ rights just like Nazis must be prevented from doing the same.

We must all prevent from democratically bringing the new Hitler in power.

Zyklon B smelled of bitter almonds and was a byproduct of the sugar industry.

We need a SWEET solution for our problems, not a BITTER one.

Even if bitter almonds smell surprisingly nice when you expect the worst.

NO MORE WAR.

NOT ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.






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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: meltdowner] * 1
    #26355339 - 12/01/19 10:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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People will always segregate based on something.  Maybe next year it's not color but ideology.  Maybe it's sexuality.  Maybe it's eye color.
It's human nature and it is natural.



That sounds like justification for your own beliefs, since humans defy ‘nature’ all the time.
Did you have to shit but didn’t in your pants in the middle of the store?  Congrats, you’ve defied nature!
I guess you should have just crapped on the floor as nature intended.


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Near Dylan]
    #26355508 - 12/01/19 12:42 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Before society and civilization? Nah. We were just animals doin animal shit, dawg. Killin shit, yeah. But in an animal way. It was civilization that brought warfare, brutality, corruption, all that 'destructive human nature' stuff. If we were hunter gatherers still, the most brutality we'll have ever heard of would've been a dude beatin another dude with a rock cuz he killed the antelope first. Not all the crazy shit that's been going on for the past ~10,000 years.

Society was not some experiment to see if we could be more moral and ethical with our tribe. It was just easier to chill out and wait for food to grow then it was to chase it.




Where does the animal kingdom separate and become human civilization?

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In war, they've done the horrific. They've looted food from enemy homes – maybe even killing the women and children. They've employed suicide bombings. They've launched toxic attacks. They've even engaged in cannibalism.

Ants, that is.

Ant colonies bear similarities to human communities: That's been fleshed out and personified before, from sharply delineated social order to death rituals to strict punishment for illicit behavior and treachery.

They've got complex societies with a rigid division of labor and ingrained conventions that let them eat, reproduce and wage war as a single unit. Given their massive populations and, as the famed entomologist E.O. Wilson writes, their "unity of purpose [and] social machinery," it's no surprise that ants are also bonafide masters of war.

"When it comes to war-fighting, ant species are more similar to humans than most other animals, even primates," ecologist and photojournalist Mark Moffett tells Danger Room. "Societies with population explosions, that extend into the millions, are prone to large-scale, intense, tactical warfare. It's a nature of battle only possible among communities with plenty of excess labor force."



ants go to war because they are animals in colonies large enough to do so

cats torture and play with their prey in some pretty brutal manners

corruption at least does not have a match in the animal kingdom to my immediate knowledge tho
the Lion King and Scar betraying Mufasa to take over the pride of course does not count


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Re: Court Bans Muslim Refugees Protesting 'LGBT' Lessons at Primary/Grade School [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #26356214 - 12/01/19 08:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Every now and then I find myself siding with Muslims




Probably more than you realize, there’s a lot of similarities between Christian conservatism and Islam.




The difference is that a Christian will refuse to bake you a wedding cake the Muslim will not only bake you one but it will be the "bomb"


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