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Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives?
#26350628 - 11/28/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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im in peru on holidays and san pedro cactus is growing everywhere here and dirt cheap.
mescaline extractions for a couple grams are planned.
the problem is chemicals are restricted here. can not get xylene or toluene
I can get -d-limonene -sodium carbonate -iso alcohol 99% -sulfuric acid -ammonia solution -little amounts of Naoh (maybe not) -maybe a little HCL low concentration ~4% -potassium hydroxide
how can I combine these to get relatively pure mescaline acetate or HCL?
could not find anything specific online
I drank pure cactus poweder recently ~30g and was nauseous for 1-2 hours...
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: SunFlare]
#26350639 - 11/28/19 01:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever done a STB dmt extraction? If you have its the same process for mimosa root bark as San pedro. Sodium hydroxide and vm&p naphtha are the only chemicals and solvents you need. Maybe ronsonol to clean up your extraction
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: sk8fast] 1
#26350675 - 11/28/19 02:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look up the food safe/d limonene tek (:
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: sk8fast]
#26350676 - 11/28/19 02:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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sk8fast said: Have you ever done a STB dmt extraction? If you have its the same process for mimosa root bark as San pedro. Sodium hydroxide and vm&p naphtha are the only chemicals and solvents you need. Maybe ronsonol to clean up your extraction
Have you done a mescaline extraction before? I found the freebased cactus alkaloids to be almost non soluble in naphtha. That's why every tek suggests xylene as the NP solvent.
D-limonene should also work, but I haven't done it this way. Only tried the xylene route with good results so far. Sodium carbonate should work as base. d-limonene to pull the alkaloids. But then I don't know how to salt them out. With xylene you just mix diluted HCl with the solvent, freeze, pour out NP solvent and then dry the aqueous solution down to crystals. Wash with acetone or IPA to clean up.
You can boil cactus down to tar within a day, though. Might be faster than a pure alkaloid extraction. Leads to ~15g of brown sticky globules per dose, but is at least as effective as pure alkaloids, if not more because of full spectrum extraction.
This is like 8 to 10 doses as tar:

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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26350831 - 11/28/19 04:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pandemoon said:
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sk8fast said: Have you ever done a STB dmt extraction? If you have its the same process for mimosa root bark as San pedro. Sodium hydroxide and vm&p naphtha are the only chemicals and solvents you need. Maybe ronsonol to clean up your extraction
Have you done a mescaline extraction before? I found the freebased cactus alkaloids to be almost non soluble in naphtha. That's why every tek suggests xylene as the NP solvent.
D-limonene should also work, but I haven't done it this way. Only tried the xylene route with good results so far. Sodium carbonate should work as base. d-limonene to pull the alkaloids. But then I don't know how to salt them out. With xylene you just mix diluted HCl with the solvent, freeze, pour out NP solvent and then dry the aqueous solution down to crystals. Wash with acetone or IPA to clean up.
You can boil cactus down to tar within a day, though. Might be faster than a pure alkaloid extraction. Leads to ~15g of brown sticky globules per dose, but is at least as effective as pure alkaloids, if not more because of full spectrum extraction.
This is like 8 to 10 doses as tar:

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thanks you seem to be educated about mesc extractions
the default limonene extraction TEK is described here. https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/69ron%27s_D-Limonene_Mescaline_Extraction
1.alternative for calcium hydroxide ?
can I use sodium carbonate?
2.alternative for acetone for washing? there is acetone here sold in stores but its for nail polish removing, contains 6 additives and is probably not anhydrous.
3.alternative for HCL ?
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: SunFlare]
#26350880 - 11/28/19 05:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've used canola oil, it's messy but works. Make sure you wash your product well with acetone or MEK respectively based on your salt of choice but if time and money is limited acetate is probably easiest.
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: Lophophora]
#26350885 - 11/28/19 05:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would add sodium carbonate to the dried cactus and water soup to excess until you begin smelling ammonia slightly and let it set for a day, pull with canola oil or d-limonene and salt out with vinegar and a few extra times from the oil with water then decant and evap under a fan. Clean with cold dry MEK if you can get it or if not go with the dilute hcl and maybe salt the oil twice I mean if it clouds up there's alkaloids in it so just play around a bit and use acetone to wash.
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: SunFlare]
#26350950 - 11/28/19 05:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok... but they only acetone I can get is the nail polish remover with 5 additives that is not anhydrous
it has 'fragrance,...' ingredients like that.
will they be harmful when used for washing the product or is there a simple method to get pure acetone from it?
i could build a distillation setup with jars and a cooled pvc tube...
and use oven dried epsom salt to dry it
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: SunFlare]
#26350959 - 11/28/19 06:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can always just eat the crude extract if stuff is that limited, be a lot close to san pedro tea than pure mescaline but probably safer. Just pull with d-limonene and salt with vinegar and eat the full spectrum after evaping the water.
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: Lophophora]
#26351160 - 11/28/19 09:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Lophophora said: You can always just eat the crude extract if stuff is that limited, be a lot close to san pedro tea than pure mescaline but probably safer. Just pull with d-limonene and salt with vinegar and eat the full spectrum after evaping the water.
to summarize:
To 100g dried cactus powder, add 25g of sodium carbonate, add tap water till 'soup' consistency is reached.
let it sit for a day and add 300ml D-Limonene Mix well. Let sit a few hours. Pour off the d-limonene through a vacuum filter setup.
add undilluted white vinegar to the D-limonene, watch crystals percipitate into the bottom. stop adding vinegar after it all snowed down to the bottom.
add a couple ml of tap water.
pour off D-limonene top layer and reuse. bottom water layer with crystals are poured into a pyrex dish and let evaporate.
wash with acetone.
correct?
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: SunFlare] 1
#26351172 - 11/28/19 09:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you can get some everclear and koh or naoh this tek could be a promosing route https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23775827/fpart/1/vc/1
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: Marmie]
#26351216 - 11/28/19 10:15 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Marmie said: If you can get some everclear and koh or naoh this tek could be a promosing route https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23775827/fpart/1/vc/1
thats it ! thanks amazing
i can get all of these chemicals
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: SunFlare]
#26351402 - 11/29/19 03:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Acetone won't work for acetate as far as I know, think you need MEK for that.
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: Lophophora]
#26351528 - 11/29/19 06:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26351656 - 11/29/19 09:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Might give this d-limonene - sulphuric acid - everclear freeze precipitation route a try. The results look fantastic, it's unbelievable! 
It's mescaline sulphate then btw. But if the yield looks as white as in the linked thread, then there is absolutely no need to clean it up more.
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26353830 - 11/30/19 12:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pandemoon said: Might give this d-limonene - sulphuric acid - everclear freeze precipitation route a try. The results look fantastic, it's unbelievable! 
It's mescaline sulphate then btw. But if the yield looks as white as in the linked thread, then there is absolutely no need to clean it up more.
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Yeah buddy!
Could one do it with the tar "extract"?
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26353851 - 11/30/19 01:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sure, just redissolve the tar in water. Might take some time and heat to propperly dissolve. Then treat this solution like cactus tea /blended cactus.
Then just base and go ahead with the d-limonene pulls.
I just ordered d-limonene, 96% ethanol and sulphuric acid. Took me some time to find all of this. Pure, not-denatured ethanol is "almost" illegal here in germany. D-limonene is expensive, like 40 euros per liter. Should arrive within the next week. Then I'll give this tek a try with some dehydrated cuttings I have laying here for quite some months.
Those are weak cuttings in bad condition. Too variable to ingest raw, I don't know how much to take. Just know that a single cutting is mild. Have 11 of them, even if one is weak, all of them combined should give some decent results.  If the results are goodn I'll repeat it with some cuttings of known good potency. I just don't want to waste good cuttings in the first try where many things can possibly go wrong. 
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Re: Mescaline Extraction from San Pedro Cactus - Alternatives? [Re: Pandemoon]
#26354853 - 12/01/19 12:34 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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We just dehydrated the green layer and chewed up the horrible tasting stuff with beer. If you can manage to choke down a good 2-3oz minimum, you'll go to cartoon land. But be ready for a hell of a purge. I just drank lots of beer so it wasn't so bad. You can as also just boil it down in a crockpot, still gotta drink lots. Good luck
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