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InvisibleYangSupporter
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    #26350445 - 11/28/19 11:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

"The history of private-sector employment in the U.S. over the past three decades is one of overall degradation in the ability of many American jobs to support households — even those with multiple jobholders," they wrote.

The group wants to popularize a new economic metric, called the*Job Quality Index, that goes beyond the usual labor market barometers, which tend to focus on the quantity of employment. To be sure, there has always been plenty of jobs that don't pay well. But, as the index's creators found when crafting their measurement, there is now a growing number of low-paying jobs relative to employment with above-average pay.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-jobs-are-getting-worse-according-to-a-new-economic-measure/


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
    #26350487 - 11/28/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So many terrible jobs out there. Too much for too little. As big businesses become relentlessly more efficient and employ more and more technology - the gap between the laborers and the cheese grows wider and wider.

Unfortunate for those of us caught in the middle of it all. I have hopes that having access to the internet and open minds that more and more people will wake up and realize that you don't have to 'get a job'. You can make a job. No glass ceiling when you are building your own ladder as you go as opposed to climbing one offered to you.

IMO, be a farmer.

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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: susurrador] * 2
    #26350501 - 11/28/19 12:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Finally something we can all agree on. American jobs are getting worse.

On a related topic, I trained on robotic sorters at Amazon for a couple days recently and wasn't too impressed. It seemed the level of human support required negated the expected productivity gains.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26350507 - 11/28/19 12:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Once the bugs get worked out automation is really going to screw the working class.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter] * 4
    #26350510 - 11/28/19 12:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

"We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living."  --Buckminster Fuller




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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26350512 - 11/28/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Excellent quote and I agree


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26350516 - 11/28/19 12:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Brian Jones said:
Finally something we can all agree on. American jobs are getting worse.

On a related topic, I trained on robotic sorters at Amazon for a couple days recently and wasn't too impressed. It seemed the level of human support required negated the expected productivity gains.




Initially, most technologies are pretty meh. As they incrementally improve over time though, the human labor hours required to maintain those technologies will decrease making jobs suck just a little more while paying a little less.

What if all the citizens of the world cried out to be plugged into the Matrix in the first place because jobs just sucked that bad.

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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
    #26350631 - 11/28/19 01:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

YangSupporter said:
"The history of private-sector employment in the U.S. over the past three decades is one of overall degradation in the ability of many American jobs to support households — even those with multiple jobholders".

There has always been plenty of jobs that don't pay well. But, there is now a growing number of low-paying jobs relative to employment with above-average pay.



Since there are still plenty of jobs, I say it's time to raise the real minimum wage at least to where it used to be in 1968:



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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #26350645 - 11/28/19 02:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think UBI would be superior to a minimum wage increase however I wouldn't oppose it.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26350707 - 11/28/19 02:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I am for a negative income tax as well. When the robot hives hit real productivity, I hope they are taxed as much, or more than us humans.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26350742 - 11/28/19 03:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

While I do support UBI, and I do like the idea of workers having increased wages, I'm afraid UBI might just lead to inflation, which in the end will result in rising prices on almost everything which in a sense will almost neutralize the positive effects of UBI (though perhaps not, there still more money in the poors' pockets is better than no money) And increasing minimum wage may very likely result in increased speed of automation replacing workers as well as having non-corporate businesses being force to close down and or reducing the hours/employees that can have....

Sadly I think the only thing that will solve our problems is a spiritual revolution. If the rich and elite don't change their evil ways it wont matter much whatever we do to help the poor... That said I still 100% UBI as an experiment, who knows I think it could help a lot of people; including myself.


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: dreamachine]
    #26350745 - 11/28/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

dreamachine said:
While I do support UBI, and I do like the idea of workers having increased wages, I'm afraid UBI might just lead to inflation, which in the end will result in rising prices on almost everything which in a sense will almost neutralize the positive effects of UBI (though perhaps not, there still more money in the poors' pockets is better than no money) And increasing minimum wage may very likely result in increased speed of automation replacing workers as well as having non-corporate businesses being force to close down and or reducing the hours/employees that can have....

Sadly I think the only thing that will solve our problems is a spiritual revolution. If the rich and elite don't change their evil ways it wont matter much whatever we do to help the poor... That said I still 100% UBI as an experiment, who knows I think it could help a lot of people; including myself.



UBI won't lead to inflation https://medium.com/basic-income/wouldnt-unconditional-basic-income-just-cause-massive-inflation-fe71d69f15e7


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26350748 - 11/28/19 03:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I hope you're right, but if I was McDonald's and I was evil and just cared about money and I found out everyone got +$1K/mo I would change the price of the mcdouble from $2 to $3 or maybe even $4. And that's just one example...


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: dreamachine] * 1
    #26350749 - 11/28/19 03:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

dreamachine said:
I hope you're right, but if I was McDonald's and I was evil and just cared about money and I found out everyone got +$1K/mo I would change the price of the mcdouble from $2 to $3 or maybe even $4. And that's just one example...



Read the article i posted


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26350752 - 11/28/19 03:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's too much, wanna give me a summary? But what do you think about what I said when it comes to McDonalds? You don't think businesses would raise prices cuz they knew they could and that people would be able to afford the increase?


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: dreamachine]
    #26350757 - 11/28/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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dreamachine said:
It's too much



I mean it answers your question...


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26350767 - 11/28/19 03:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure it gives a lot of technical information about how it might not effect inflation (technically) but from a strictly business perspective, if corporations know people have more money, naturally they raise their prices no?


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: YangSupporter]
    #26350769 - 11/28/19 03:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Its possible that UBI could cause inflation(cost-push), but it would be negligible compared to others, that do.....like reducing interest rates (demand pull). Funny, you never hear pundits bitching about inflation when rates get cut.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26350773 - 11/28/19 03:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I hear you. I doubt it would be as insane of a hyper-inflation as some might claim, but bet money if UBI is passed mcdonalds is gonna add $1 to all their menu items. :lol:


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Re: American jobs are getting worse [Re: dreamachine]
    #26350779 - 11/28/19 03:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

dreamachine said:
I'm sure it gives a lot of technical information about how it might not effect inflation (technically) but from a strictly business perspective, if corporations know people have more money, naturally they raise their prices no?



When  Christmas comes around companies put on sales. A modest UBI would do little to influence price decisions.


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