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OfflineHappinessfeeling
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DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth?
    #26348763 - 11/27/19 02:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hi, the question is in the subject title.
I was wondering which molecule, DMT or 5-meo-dmt, is better for spiritual growth and exploration.
I think that most people that I have talked to have said DMT is better suited for this, whereas a small minority of users claim that 5-meo-dmt has far greater value than N,N-DMT.
The proponents of 5-meo-dmt say that it "leaves DMT in the dust," and that 5 takes people straight into ego-death and the heart of God, whereas DMT is only all about having a visionary experience and cannot bring people past duality.
I would love to hear others' opinions on this fascinating subject matter.
Thanks.


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26348912 - 11/27/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I've had both, but never broke through on dmt. Couldn't take that last hit. Still amazing though.

5meodmt was aight. Real colorful, but felt fake.... Not the drug, but the exp it brings.


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: hot damn creek]
    #26348956 - 11/27/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for your input.
I've only tried one hit of 5-meo-dmt one time, so I did not break through, so I can't comment on it any further than it seemed conductive towards meditation.
Dmt I've done a handful of times but sadly I also have never broken through on it.
I hope to have a DMT breakthrough soon here.
Thanks for your help.


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26350241 - 11/28/19 09:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Most people would say that 5-meo-DMT is the better tool for spiritual work, because it will bring you into non-duality every time if you do it right.
And I read from experienced 5-meo users that the best methode of administration is the plug it :laugh: ..

I couldn't get my hands on 5-meo yet so I cannot say anything from personal experience. But I broke trough 2 times with n-n DMT and I did't have ego-death. Anyway it was a wonderful experience from which I learned and grew alot.

Also I heard from a few n-n DMT users they have ego-death every time the use it.

So you can't really pin down which one is the better imo because you need to find out which one works best for you :smile:


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: acidgoofy] * 1
    #26350244 - 11/28/19 09:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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acidgoofy said:
But I broke trough 2 times with n-n DMT and I did't have ego-death.




i dont think you broke through.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
    #26350313 - 11/28/19 09:57 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's plenty possible not to have ego dissolution with a breakthrough. Even McKenna talks about many of his trips in the first person, checking his heartrate/breathing, having entities come at him etc. If you really try to focus you can stay fairly 'with it' mentally in my experience at least. If you choose to fully let go though, it's a different thing all together.

I don't think any substance is better than another for personal growth. Many of the psychedelic evangelists on youtube who claim to have extensively used 5-meo, nn-dmt etc are painful to watch. Their egos are so swollen, as they preach about their 'enlightening' experiences.

I think if you work on yourself first, once you get a taste of a molecule you'll be able to understand how beneficial it will be to you.


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26350381 - 11/28/19 10:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think every DMT breakthrough comes with some sort of ego dissolution or else it wouldn't be enough DMT to breakthrough but that's just my opinion


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26350476 - 11/28/19 11:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

5-meo-dmt has a reputation for being shitty, low quality, and unenlightening.

DMT on the other hand is one of the classics. It sometimes causes people to believe weird shit, but it's definitely a very high quality psychedelic.


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26350616 - 11/28/19 01:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
i dont think you broke through.




I smoked with an oil pipe and trained like a month or two to smoke enough. I failed many times and when I finally managed to smoke enough it was very very different to the times before lol. And it definitely felt like breaking trough to another "place", surrounded by entities.

But I still knew how I am and I could think. When I have ego-death on lsd it's very different. Its like I dont even know that something like "I" ever existed.


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: acidgoofy]
    #26350719 - 11/28/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So are you saying LSD takes you further than DMT?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26350731 - 11/28/19 03:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

in terms of getting into a non-duality state yes but I have a lot more experience with lsd then with dmt


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: acidgoofy]
    #26351098 - 11/28/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I almost broke through...


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: acidgoofy]
    #26351349 - 11/29/19 01:39 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

acidgoofy said:
in terms of getting into a non-duality state yes but I have a lot more experience with lsd then with dmt





IME theres nothing about lsd thats more intense than DMT. the reason why i say you probably didnt breakthrough was because of how little experience you have with dmt. how can you know you brokethrough?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26351526 - 11/29/19 06:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

5-meo-DMT for spiritual exploration
DMT for a trip to the mental circus

Like said before 5-meo-DMT will reliably take you to the point of non dual existence with everything and nothing.  It is very reliable that if a certain dose is taken this point will be reached.  I feel as if I take way more away from having everything I know and love dissolve into the abyss...only to flow back into me but with a heighten sense of gratitude for it all.


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So by innocence you mean not an absence of experience, but an absence of illusions."
An absence of need for illusions," he said. "A love of and respect for what is right before your eyes.”― Anne Rice, The Vampire Lestat


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26351788 - 11/29/19 10:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

well I am not talking about intensity. I said that I have full ego-dissolution with lsd and I didnt have that with dmt yet.

like I said, before I broke trough I tried to it and had like 10 failed attempts over 2 months and I know how it feels to almost breakthrough.

And when I broke trough I was like in another reality which felt way more real then this reality I am in right now. Around me where all these sphinx like creatures and they waved and talked to me in some weird language. I felt like I finally arrived home. I can't really explain how I know that I broke trough, I just know it. The Experience had a huge impact on me. I wasn't interested in dmt for almost a year after that because it took me so long to kind of understand what was going on and go back in.

And I remember I could not physically smoke more, because my vision shattered, almost dropped the pipe and fell backwards.
idk if I "officially" broke trough or not lol xD I am just saying what it feels like for me.

But I would be very surprised if this was not the full experience because it blew my mind for months.


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Re: DMT vs. 5-meo-dmt: Which one is better for spiritual exploration/growth? [Re: acidgoofy]
    #26351925 - 11/29/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I couldn't take my 3rd hit because I couldn't hold on to the pipe.


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