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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: doc34]
    #2635306 - 05/04/04 02:28 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hopefully i will have a lot of prints from these...BlueMonkee sent me the wild print and it is pretty good coloniser...with any Cope they can contamm very easily..I`ll know in a couple of days


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: OldSpice]
    #2635311 - 05/04/04 02:29 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Post pics,we want to see!


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: doc34]
    #2635341 - 05/04/04 02:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

All i have now is these EQ`s...I didnt patch very well so its not a nice pinset...Nobody has ever complained about the potency of these bad boys but these have allways been great...sorry ass pic  :confused:


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: Zwieback0]
    #2635350 - 05/04/04 02:39 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey man,

I just wanted to thank you for the contributions you've made by coming up with evidence to further enforce your argument. Most people don't think twice about what they say and it's aggrevating because this is when bashing, flame fests, and just down right irratating things are said to each other.

A round of applause to Zwieback0 for going out on a limb!

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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: 0xYg3n]
    #2635373 - 05/04/04 02:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Hey man,

I just wanted to thank you for the contributions you've made by coming up with evidence to further enforce your argument. Most people don't think twice about what they say and it's aggrevating because this is when bashing, flame fests, and just down right irratating things are said to each other.

A round of applause to Zwieback0 for going out on a limb! "
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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: 0xYg3n]
    #2635380 - 05/04/04 02:48 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Zwieb knows what he is doing... :smirk:


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: OldSpice]
    #2635488 - 05/04/04 03:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Was that in any way a form of mockery?  If so, I'm too dumb to notice.  haha :smile:

Anyways, thanks, just wanted to spread the information and MAYBE settle this dispute once and for all...although it is quite unlikely.

*pats self on the back*


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: Zwieback0]
    #2635501 - 05/04/04 03:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

No mockery...not at all.. 5 shrooms for starting the thread because it was good/informative :smile: :thumbup:


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: OldSpice]
    #2635503 - 05/04/04 03:19 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Muhahahhaha! thanks!

Never underestimate the mind, its a very powerful instrument!


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: doc34]
    #2635552 - 05/04/04 03:37 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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doc34 said:
I know this has a somewhat of an effect I'm sure ,but is there any documentation stateing that one strain of "Psilocybe Cubensis" is stronger in potency than another strain of the same?




Here is a post that shows research into the potency variation between different cultures and different flushes. There is also another paper that shows potency variation between different strains (although I cannot find it now).

Potency variation is not all in your mind. It is real, it has been tested.


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: ATWAR]
    #2635618 - 05/04/04 04:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

very informative!Thank you.

Now then,
"Analysis of Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer) grown in controlled culture showed that the level of psilocin was generally zero in the first (or sometimes even the second) fruiting of the mushroom from a given culture and that the level reached a maximum by the fourth flush. The level of psilocybin, which was nearly always at least twice the level of psilocin, showed no upward or downward trend as fruiting progressed, but was variable over a factor of four. Samples obtained from outside sources had psilocybin levels varying by over a factor of ten form one collection to the next. "



This leads me to believe two things.
1> Outdoor grown cubes are more potent than indoor cubes
2> Potency varies from batch to batch not strain to strain

maybe I read that wrong?


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: Zwieback0]
    #2637404 - 05/04/04 05:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Zwieback0 said:In conclusion, potency is largely a mental game.



Hmmmm dunno.. I think about five people have had various batches of PRs off me (without knowing what strain they were) and all commented on how high the potency seemed. They were grown the same as I grow other strains so it wasn't due to substrate/enviromental differences. PRs are pretty much always the ones that people ask for first now :wink:


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: doc34]
    #2637873 - 05/04/04 07:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

All you have to do is read any information on chemical analysis of cubensis and THERE IS THE PROOF that not all cubensis are the same.

There is variability from mushroom to mushroom, flush to flush, strain to strain, species to species. It has been shown quantitatively. There are differences in the ratio of Psilocin and Psilocybin. The proof is out there, all you have to do is READ.

A simple glance at the cubensis section of Stametes book PMOTW will show that there was variability between collections from different geographical locations(STRAINS).

Those that continue to argue that a cubensis is a cubensis REALLY don't take the time to actually READ what has already been shown scientifically, or they are choosing to ignore the FACTS that contradict there experience or opinion.

Everyone reacts to any chemical differently. DOSAGE is extremely variable from person to person, so EXPERIENCE would be variable as well. When a group of ten people eat a set amount of Mushrooms each, they will all have different experiences of intensity. Some people get off Extremely hard on very small quantities, others don't get off at all at Extremely high doses.

So argueing against quantitative proof with Experience is NOT A VERY SOUND ARGUMENT.

Just my teo cents, supported by quantitative analysis.


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    #2637909 - 05/04/04 07:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Yes there are differences, but usually it isn't very significant. Saying creeper are more potent than ecuadors is not a valid assumption and I bet most people can't tell the difference. Like people said, substrate and the way you grow them may influence the potency, but the change is not dramatic.

I bet other factors play a role too. I.E. body weight, stress, mental stability, metabolism, etc etc.

What I am trying to say is...the mind is extremely powerful, if you take mushrooms with the mentality that you will have a good trip, you most likely will. I'm not saying it's all about the mind, but it plays a role.

Try the experiment. Give a friend/test subject two strains to try, cultivated in identical ways. Let the subject try the first strain, tell him to record his results and observations. Wait a month or 3 later and then give him another strain, repeating the process. Wait one or 3 months more and give them a strain previously used in their trips and let them guess which strain it is. They have a 50% chance to guess correctly, but I'm kinda doubtful.

I'm just telling you what I observed.


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    #2637933 - 05/04/04 07:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Teonan said:
There is variability from mushroom to mushroom, flush to flush, strain to strain, species to species. It has been shown quantitatively. There are differences in the ratio of Psilocin and Psilocybin...




No one is disputing that mushrooms grown in different parts of the world, under different conditions are going to vary in potency. When people say a cube is a cube, I believe they're mainly saying that two different strains of mushrooms grown under similar conditions, will be more or less the same.

No need to have such a condescending tone.

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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: Zwieback0]
    #2638041 - 05/04/04 07:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I think that guy totally missed the point you were trying to make  :rolleyes:


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    #2638070 - 05/04/04 08:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Everyone reacts to any chemical differently. DOSAGE is extremely variable from person to person, so EXPERIENCE would be variable as well. When a group of ten people eat a set amount of Mushrooms each, they will all have different experiences of intensity. Some people get off Extremely hard on very small quantities, others don't get off at all at Extremely high doses."


SET and SETTING my friend ,from your post!


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    #2638071 - 05/04/04 08:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I agree with you Z! :thumbup: :cool:


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    #2638075 - 05/04/04 08:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yup.I have a hard time explaining myself at times and you did a better job than me.Thanks


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Re: Potency is largely a factor of the mind...Proof inside: [Re: Zwieback0]
    #2638116 - 05/04/04 08:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

A mushroom that produces 0.2 percent psilocin and 0.6 percent psilocybin is going to be very different from a mushroom that produces 0.6 percent psilocin and 0.2 percent psilocybin. Even though the total content is the same. You will be able to tell the difference within 1 hour of ingesting, or within a half hour of doing a tea or extraction.

Personally I prefer strains that produce a greater number of mushrooms per dry weight, then those that produce fewer mushrooms per dry weight, but that is my personal prefrence.
GT is my personal favorite. I like every strain I have tried for consumption, just don't like cultivating some of the strains.

IT has been proven quantitatively that they are different, and it is my opinion as well that they are different. You will notice the difference most at lower doses.

Try 1.75 grams of five different strains, and do it five times each. Write down when you ate them, when you felt them, when you felt like it was over. Give them a rating from 1-5. Decide which one you LIKE the most. Then eat 5 grams dry of each strain tested and make a decision.

Determing which Strain is BEST for YOU is up to you. The numbers only tell us which ones have the most activity, and at what ratio.


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