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Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok?
    #26346389 - 11/26/19 09:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I can't find OAK locally but i found this in the internet.



They are pellets. What would be the difference of using pellets instead of sawdust? Would this work for shiitake?

The price is 28.16$ per 19.8416 lbs. price is ok? Can i use this in mycobags mixed with verm?


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26346759 - 11/26/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You want a hardwood fuel pellet It will turn into sawdust once you wet it. Any hardwood fuel pellet will work. I get my fuel pellets for under $5 for 40 lbs.


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26346779 - 11/26/19 01:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If you are in the USA here is where to get the bags at the best price...

https://myersmushrooms.com/shop?olsPage=products

You will need to use hardwood fuel pellets supplemented with bran for shiitake. Do a search for shiitake tek I am sure there are a lot out there.


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26347039 - 11/26/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Damn then its very expensive here. Mission abort. I don't live in the US.

Hmmm i guess i will only be able to grow oysters without wood.


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: Mr. Alien]
    #26347270 - 11/26/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Those pellets that you listed are for BBQ grilling They cost close to the same in the USA. You want to look for heating fuel pellets. Just so you have a cost comparison. I get 33 five lb sub bags from a 40 lb bag of fuel pellets I get at least 1.5 lbs from each sub bag. 33 x 1.5 = 50lbs at $10 an lb. I make $500. Shiitake goes for more about $14 an lb in the USA. With those numbers, you will be able to figure out if it will be worth it for you. You will definitely not make as much but that does not mean it is not worth it.


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: SHROOMSISAY01]
    #26351456 - 11/29/19 04:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't live in the US but it's still an interesting substrate for me. I am trying oak fuel pellets right now.

Fuel pellets vs sawdust have the benefit of being heat and pressure treated already which should be great for sterilization issues... whether it is better than sawdust from being compressed depends very much on your sawdust particle size but a lot of sawdust can be pretty fluffy.

I actually suspect some softwood conifers in the pellets may be fine because no antifungal resin compounds are present anymore? I would love to have this confirmed but i don't know what it means for the average woodlover to be able to use partial softwood and maybe even be happy at the lower density??


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: Solipsis]
    #26352060 - 11/29/19 01:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve grown a bunch of species on softwood pellets before with no issues. All the shelf oysters and reishi I’ve tried dont seem to notice much of a difference at 70:30 swfp+alfalfa pellets, maybe adds a couple days of colonization depending on the culture. With King oysters, piopinno and Lions Mane I was mixing 40:40:20 hwfp+swfp+ alfalfa pellets and didnt notice a difference between those and straight hwfp.


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: AyePlus] * 1
    #26354912 - 12/01/19 02:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Oysters will eat damn near anything with cellulose and lignin.

Wood Chips
Sawdust
Pellets
Newspaper
Paper towels
Cardboard
Straw
Cotton
Dried weeds
Manure
Books
A house
Youre drapes
Used napkins...

The list goes on...

Oysters are one of the easiest and most forgiving species to grow.


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
    #26359099 - 12/03/19 01:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Haha i mean Oysters and various Ganoderma seem pretty insanely well adapted and evolved.. :laugh:

But that also means i dont know if they have defensive compounds or other answers against potential antifungals in conifer/pine softwoods, so they would not be a good example if we wanna know if that stuff remains significantly in softwood pellets.

If the Lion's Mane of Aye was erinaceus, and bearing in mind the pioppino (and kings)... it does seem that the compounds don't remain tho and that its not a problem.
No idea how this compares to the sawdust from typical softwood in a wood workshop, or the bits you can buy for your bunny rabbit.

Anyway as for the OP:

yeah does make sense: shiitake loves oak, and i believe it also benefits from high nitrogen ratio.

But it would be great to use both hardwood and softwood appropriately depending on the species..


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: Solipsis]
    #26359513 - 12/03/19 04:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

40:40:20 hwfp swfp alfalfa pellets



They seem pretty happy, Theyre a wild clone I bought so I’m Not 100% theyre erinaceus but they definitely arent abietes. (The conifer associate.)

The H. abietes strain from out-grow is probably erinaceus too based on how it forms.
Here it is on 80:20 swfp: rice bran



For clarity the swfp I use is 100% doug fir based, never played with str8 fir sawdust or with pine in any form


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: AyePlus]
    #26360797 - 12/04/19 10:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I have been really curious about the difference between using Oak vs conifer/pine wood. I am also having trouble getting Oak where I live up in the PNW, but pine trees are damn near everywhere and if I tried hard enough I could probably get the stuff for free. But I keep reading that Oak hardwood pellets are just the best of the best so I ordered a small quantity to try for my first growing experiments. Is the difference between Oak and Conifer wood really that negligible?


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: JimbosChoice]
    #26360905 - 12/04/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Theres definitely a difference in yield in swfp vs hwfp and it adds a little bit to colonization. But it will definitely work. Wouldnt call it negligible,  it makes a big enough difference in the budget to at least mix the two. For oysters I wouldnt use hwfp at all. Tbh theyre barely worth the filter bags IMO. 

i also live in pnw. Use the fir pellets, theyre like 1/4 the cost or less, If your spawns clean then the longer colonization doesnt matter much IMO.


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Re: Oak pellets vs Sawdust? Price is ok? [Re: AyePlus]
    #26361699 - 12/04/19 07:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Full Paper -> http://agro.icm.edu.pl/agro/element/bwmeta1.element.agro-e323aa3c-8766-46e3-acba-86b653e9d95f/c/15.pdf

"Specialist literature sources present numerous recommendations concerning the composition of substrate for lion’s mane mushroom culture [5,43,47]. Lion’s mane mushroom may be grown, e.g., on wood coming from coniferous tree species, e.g., Pinus taeda and Pinus ponderosa. To obtain satisfactory yields chips produced from these trees have to be first spawned with mycelium of fungal species Aureobasidium pullulans var. pullulans, Ceratocystis coerulescens, C. pilifera and Ophiostoma piliferum. These species, by degrading tar in wood of the above-mentioned species, make it suitable for lion’s mane mushroom growing [48]."

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Full Paper -> Conversion  of conifer wastes into edible and medicinal  mushrooms

Abstract
Mushroom-producing white-rot fungi can be used to convert woodwaste into gour-met and medicinal mushrooms. White-rot fungi do not always readily colonize on coni-fer wood because  of its extractives content.  This  study evaluated the resinous  extractive content  of  loblolly  pine  (  Pinustaeda),ponderosa pine  ( Pinus ponderosa ),and an un-known  species  of  southern  yellow  pine  before  and  after  treatment  with  the  extrac-tive-degrading  fungi  Aureobasidiumspp.,Ceratocystisspp.,  and  Ophiostomaspp.Fungal treatment removed 70 to 99.9 percent of extractives. Scanning electron micros-copy showed heavy mycelial growth ofthe colorless isolate Ophiostomapiliferum,withgood sporulation, on the surface of loblolly and southern yellow pine chips, in the resin canals, and in the parenchyma cells within 4 to 5 days. The treated wood chips were used to  cultivate  lignolytic  mushroom-producing,  white-rot  basidiomycetes  of  various  Pleurotusspecies and two other fungi, Grifola frondosa andHericium  erinaceus.  Theresults  show  that  lignolytic  white-rot basidiomycetes can easily colonize and produce mushrooms  on  treated  conifer  wood  chips.   

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Full Paper -> Comparison of mycelium growth and yielding of selected strains of Hericium erinaceus on sawdust substrates with the glucose addition

Summary
The aim of the studies was to determine the effect of sawdust substrates and their enrich-ment with glucose on the mycelium growth and yield of three Hericium erinaceus (Bull. Fr.) Pers.strains.The subject of the studies was strains of H. erinaceus designated as ‘H1’, ‘D5’ and ‘D9’. Pine and beech sawdust supplemented with glucose in the amount of 1%, 2% and 3% were used as cultivated substrates. It was found that the tested strains differed in mycelium growth rate. The ‘D9’ strain was characterized by the fastest mycelium growth. The mycelium grew more rapidly on substrate with glucose addition, regardless from its amount, in comparison with substrate without glucose addition. The ‘H1’ and ‘D5’ strains gave the bigger yield than ‘D9’ one. The biggest yield was recorded on beech sawdust substrate with 3% addition of glucose
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Full Paper -> Effects of wood-decay fungi on the population of the pinewood nematode in wood of pine

Wood-decay fungi, Pleurotus ostreatus, Lentinula edodes, Neolentinus  lepideus,Trichaptum  abietinum  and  Cryptoporus  volvatus, were  tested  for their  ability  to  affect thepinewood  nematode  population in wood by inoculation experiments.


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