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    #26346970 - 11/26/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So I have only tripped twice in my entire life both being on mushrooms. I'm wondering what's different about each trip? I know these last two trips have had the same effects and this male being energy that is very demanding in respect. When my thoughts race I always think of this energy it's like Satan has me tied up in his chains very dark feeling. I'm not sure if it's just a dark place in my mind or what. I know that my CEV and OEV has changed each trip. But I will never forget that negative energy that comes though. Very scary! Reminds me of the words brain rot.

When this energy comes around I get some very disturbing images in my mind. For example, I had this woman come through with a very scary looking face and all she did was laugh and it spooked me. Then when these mass tangle of thoughts come through I see pictures of devil worship symbolism and very unrealistic pictures. This may seem nasty, put I saw this women having birth but whatever she was having wasn't human. But it was very detailed. Like what the fuck is up with my brain or is this even normal?

My first trip really focused on me and all the wrong things I did and how were all roting away. This 2nd trip didn't focus on me at all. This shit blows my mind but it's so interesting that I wanna go back despite the massive anxiety.


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Re: Dark place [Re: StuckInTheLoop]
    #26346987 - 11/26/19 03:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

How young are you? Early 20s?

Honestly, those types of hallucinations don't really sound like what me and my peers have experienced, and are on the paranoid side of things.

Does your family have a history of mental illness, specifically bipolar or schizophrenia?

Mushrooms do not cause mental illness, but they are powerful substances that can be stressful, and that can be enough to trigger latent conditions. It is also very common for people with these latent predispositions to experiment with psychedelics, a form of self-medication.


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Re: Dark place [Re: Huskies]
    #26347004 - 11/26/19 03:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Huskies said:
How young are you? Early 20s?

Honestly, those types of hallucinations don't really sound like what me and my peers have experienced, and are on the paranoid side of things.

Does your family have a history of mental illness, specifically bipolar or schizophrenia?

Mushrooms do not cause mental illness, but they are powerful substances that can be stressful, and that can be enough to trigger latent conditions. It is also very common for people with these latent predispositions to experiment with psychedelics, a form of self-medication.



I'm 24 and my family doesn't have any history of any mental illness. These images only come when my eyes are closed. I at one time did make myself believe that this was what it's like to have schizophrenia. I'm starting to believe what I'm seeing is the other side. Before I even started with mushrooms I could close my eyes and seen images of people, places, objects. When I do mushrooms these visions become 10x more clear.

I'm clear headed while sober and don't show any signs of mental illness. But these visions I have are wild and they are not all bad


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Re: Dark place [Re: StuckInTheLoop]
    #26347017 - 11/26/19 03:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't see they were closed eyed stuff, which is way less worrisome. Glad to hear my fears were misguided.

My recommendation then is change your time, place, company and setting.

Dark trips are "interesting", but if you are having dark trips, seems like you are putting yourself in a lot of stress and discomfort.

Are you tripping alone at night?

If so, try in the woods, at a lower dose, with a friend instead.


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Re: Dark place [Re: Huskies]
    #26347031 - 11/26/19 03:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't see they were closed eyed stuff, which is way less worrisome. Glad to hear my fears were misguided.

My recommendation then is change your time, place, company and setting.

Dark trips are "interesting", but if you are having dark trips, seems like you are putting yourself in a lot of stress and discomfort.

Are you tripping alone at night?

If so, try in the woods, at a lower dose, with a friend instead.



I would like to bring up something I just now remembered. I had a pentagram (Devil worship symbol I saw in my trip.) in my tablet because I made a post on a website talking religion.) well the first vision was of my tablet and the next was of the exact pentagram. After the trip I erased it. As for that male energy he guided me through or was with me my entire first trip and I don't think it's sinister.

I do trip alone and change locations throughout the trip because I feel that changes the energy. My first trip was very stressful because I took more then recommend and the entire trip was bad. The trip last night I wasn't stressed or in any discomfort. There was more enjoyable parts that I enjoyed. I'm stilll learning how to trip by the way I only tripped twice.


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Re: Dark place [Re: Huskies]
    #26347065 - 11/26/19 04:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Best place to  learn is in a nice forested area on a sunny day, let nature do the teaching


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Re: Dark place [Re: StuckInTheLoop] * 1
    #26347507 - 11/26/19 08:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like you are working through all the indoctrination that was bestowed upon you over the years. The Mushrooms are bringing out your fears via wierd hallucinations.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Dark place [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26347901 - 11/27/19 05:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

^^^What Bill said. That’s your subconscious mind/imagination getting carried away. You stated yourself it wasn’t all bad... I wouldn’t worry about it :wink:


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Re: Dark place [Re: civil twilight]
    #26347921 - 11/27/19 05:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I'd say the mushrooms are just showing you your fears, your shadow self, or subconscious. I sometimes experience that on strong doses of weed, my subconscious will just come to the forefront and take over and start projecting all my underlying fear and paranoia into my focused reality but doesn't usually teach me anything like a mushroom trip.


The worse fear and anxiety I get is on Cannabis, I can easily produce anxiety and panic by taking too large of a hit that overwhelms my system, it actually has 100% success rate at doing that, I'm almost highly certain it's just a direct effect of the drug itself and sends me into sensory overload mushrooms never really produce that same type of fear and paranoia for me rather they ease it by guiding me through why and how it happens, maybe pay attention and listen to the teachings next time, use a smaller dose if it's too overwhelming.

But maybe it's time to start looking deeper into what came up, there's nothing wrong with devil worship, and satanists. If you're scared of that stuff should probably do some more research, the devil is actually a good guy. I know a few Satanists that are some of the most kind hearted people I know, good friends of mine.


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
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Different ways in which The
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/27/19 05:46 AM)


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Re: Dark place [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26348206 - 11/27/19 09:41 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah eclipse, weed gives me so much more anxiety than psychedelics. I've always said that weed in a way is more powerful than psychs. That's what I mean by that. Weed can have you curled up in a ball trying to go to sleep if you smoke too much with no tolerance. Psychs do not do that


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Dark place [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26348220 - 11/27/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I just made a post about it because it's got me thinking! And hey some people do curl up in balls on psychs! :lol: but it's nothing like the sheer terror of a heavy dose of cannabis and low tolerance, it's as if the buttons that control these sensations of anxiety and fear are literally just stuck ON. I feel like it's so much easier to let go on psychs, with cannabis you can't really because the buttons are stuck on, so even when you do, you'll still feel the same


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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
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Re: Dark place [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #26348223 - 11/27/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah true psychs can make you hit the fetal position, but I know for me, psychs have only done it to me once and it was from a bad batch of 4-aco-dmt. Weed has done it more than a few times.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Dark place [Re: StuckInTheLoop]
    #26348605 - 11/27/19 01:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I had a pentagram (Devil worship symbol I saw in my trip.) in my tablet because I made a post on a website talking religion.) well the first vision was of my tablet and the next was of the exact pentagram.




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I'm wondering what's different about each trip? ... I will never forget that negative energy that comes though. Very scary! Reminds me of the words brain rot. When this energy comes around I get some very disturbing images in my mind... Like what the fuck is up with my brain or is this even normal?




:patlal:


I find that trips are often subtly influenced by things you've seen, heard, read or thought about recently - like the pentagram symbol appearing in your closed-eye-visuals. Your experiences vary from day to day and so do your trips.

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I'm starting to believe what I'm seeing is the other side




I think the 'dark place' that all the weird stuff comes from is ultimately your unconscious and the way it interacts with your memories during a trip. It can dredge up all kinds of things you've seen at one time or another and combine them into the trip in unusual ways. There's something very weird and primal about the things that a trip can show you.

You can become aware of issues or emotions that may not surface during your normal life - guilt, anxieties and so on. Also there is a certain amount of random 'mindfuck' where you can expect your emotions and visuals to fluctuate without necessarily always having a deeper meaning.

I would try to think of this kind of weird / disturbing imagery as though it was a kind of 'ghost train' ride in your head - it's weird and sometimes spooky but it's all part of the carnival taking place in your mind!

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Re: Dark place [Re: Aldebaran]
    #26352658 - 11/29/19 07:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm happy that it's nothing anything bad because I enjoy the real cluster fuck that mushrooms give me. The only word I could explain the experience as is strange. I'm not really worried about the pentagram stuff I do however get a feeling of a curse of the land and water around me. I get native American vibes every trip and I am wondering if I'm just picking up on the energy that was left here. Cause out house is surrounded by 4 Shawnee burial mounds.


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Re: Dark place [Re: StuckInTheLoop]
    #26353440 - 11/30/19 09:21 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I also think its fear that you have inside you, maybe something from the past, childhood ? Or you have done something wrong in the past that you aren't proud of and this is showing as form of guilt hmm..

Sometimes when I trip and have very strong CEVs I can see some "evil" like this weird creature with very long fingers and nails, he's looking at me like his planning something and calling me to come over. It usually happens at the beginning of trip and not always.  If it does then I remind myself I'm just tripping,  I'm in safe place and I'm not afraid of what they want to show me.:wink: I will open my eyes to look around and then close them again.
When I was a child I was afraid of dark, my vivid imagination would play tricks with my mind, like looking in the corner of room at night and seeing "something " etc

Some people are more impressionable, so maybe try avoiding watching horrors, reading bad news etc before tripping
Instead surround yourself with good energy,  happy people, calmer music.  I like to burn some sage before tripping and meditate,  try this. Also I drink lemon balm tea before and while tripping,  that's a part of my "ritual " lol

Are you religious person?


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Re: Dark place [Re: kate148]
    #26354087 - 11/30/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not religious but I do believe there is something bigger then us. Not exactly sure what it is though. Something probably did happen to me when I was younger and that's how it's manifesting itself like that. I do have guilt from things I did and hopefully I can work through them.


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Re: Dark place [Re: kate148]
    #26354101 - 11/30/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

On another note these visuals would make pretty good art.


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Re: Dark place [Re: StuckInTheLoop]
    #26355163 - 12/01/19 08:44 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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I get native American vibes every trip and I am wondering if I'm just picking up on the energy that was left here. Cause out house is surrounded by 4 Shawnee burial mounds.




Quote:

On another note these visuals would make pretty good art.




I don't know about 'picking up the energy' in a literal way, but your awareness of these mounds could influence the visuals or vibe in a trip, certainly.

I had a very striking vision / closed eye visual in a trip last week of a circle of strange creatures stood in a forest clearing at night. They had a bird-headed appearance and resembled something between a totem pole and an Egyptian deity. The closest resemblance I could find with a bit of googling was the images that came up by doing an image search for "totem pole thunderbird".

:owl:

There was something very eerie about the image but it was also very beautiful - like you say, these kind of visuals would make a good inspiration for artwork (if I didn't draw like a five-year-old, that is).

I find the images from trips can be sinister and beautiful at the same time, and often very weird and alien. I think the best approach to anything you see like this while you are tripping is to recognize it as being part of your own mind, and for this reason there is no need to fear what you see during your trip, even if it seems sinister. The mixture of beauty and fear sometimes combines into a feeling of awe, which I think is a worthwhile thing to experience.

Ultimately I think mushroom trips have a positive energy, but they do present things to you which are sometimes frightening and very weird. Over time I've become used to the idea that anything which seems frightening in the trip is actually OK. If you took too much and the trip feels like an alien apocalypse inside your mind, you can just let the apocalypse happen, safe in the knowledge that everything will work out fine.

If you see any native american weirdness in your trips, try to think of it as a positive energy which is there to help you. The totem pole creatures were scary but didn't seem 'evil', if that's any help :smile:

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Re: Dark place [Re: StuckInTheLoop]
    #26355834 - 12/01/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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StuckInTheLoop said:
I do have guilt from things I did and hopefully I can work through them.




You are growing and changing,  do not hold onto the past, self forgiveness :heart:


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