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Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus?
    #26344221 - 11/25/19 09:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Are these fimicola (browns)? And papilionaceus (whites)?
Some whites have less darker gills...
Actives or not?
Found today under oak trees on dung, at 600m height.



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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Gargamelicious]
    #26344250 - 11/25/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You appear to have a mixed collection of P. papilionaceus and P. acuminatus.


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26344272 - 11/25/19 09:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Is anything poisonus? Like the whites with the less darker gills?


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Gargamelicious]
    #26344280 - 11/25/19 10:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

There are no toxic species of Panaeolus. The light colored ones are just a paler variety of P. papilionaceus.


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26344304 - 11/25/19 10:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

wikipedia says "edibility:uknown", for panaeolus accuminatus.
Also "not active", so why the blueing?

Some guys on the net saying that some varieties of papilionaceus are active, like "Panaeolus Papilionaceus var. Bisporus".


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Gargamelicious]
    #26344336 - 11/25/19 10:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Kinda looks like they are bruising same color as caps to me on the paps


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: zerokool]
    #26344368 - 11/25/19 10:49 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So u think they are actives or no?


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Gargamelicious]
    #26344371 - 11/25/19 10:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don’t see any blue bruising? Perhaps the black of the gills is showing through the caps. This has confused me before. Generally the lesser potent Pans bruise on the base of the stem. The more potent ones bruise readily all over.


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Gargamelicious]
    #26344380 - 11/25/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Gargamelicious said:
wikipedia says "edibility:uknown", for panaeolus accuminatus.
Also "not active", so why the blueing?




These are not bruising blue.

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Some guys on the net saying that some varieties of papilionaceus are active, like "Panaeolus Papilionaceus var. Bisporus".




You are most likely referring to P. papilionaceus var. parvisporus. Panaeolus bisporus is a completely different species
and belongs in the subgenus Copelandia.

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So u think they are actives or no?




None of your finds are active.


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26344408 - 11/25/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

U R right ! My wrong. Panaeolus Papilionaceus var. Parvisporus is the name of the strain. So they are not Parvisporus because they are bruising mostly red than blue?


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Gargamelicious]
    #26344420 - 11/25/19 11:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

None of the P. papilionaceus variants are psychoactive.


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26344641 - 11/25/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What is the difference between fimicola & accuminatus?
I was looking pictures on the net & found both species very similar.


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Gargamelicious]
    #26344717 - 11/25/19 01:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What I find that is supposedly P. fimicola are generally smaller and have paler, more brittle stems than P. acuminatus.

They are similar in that they both grow in grassy areas and may occur year round if the conditions are right. They are also
both hygrophanous, but I find P. fimicola to be more pale in their dried state, while P. acuminatus seem to retain
a browner shade. Also, P. fimicola seems to open their caps more, but this is variable and occurs in many species of Panaeolus.

It is also worth noting that while P. fimicola is apparently common, it is more difficult to pin down to species without either
a microscope or DNA analysis. Add that it is very low in active compounds, it is a species that is most tedious to gather if you are
looking for a psychedelic experience. I wouldn't say it's worth the effort, since there are several much more potent species that
are easier to identify.


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Re: Panaeolus Fimicola? Panaeolus Papilionaceus? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26345939 - 11/26/19 01:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

On another post u said this:

is Panaeolus Accuminatus.

This is the same mushroom after 5 days:


This is todays picture of the mushrooms I picked yesterday:

Caps getting a bit paler, as u said.

I don't think they are the same strain or variety.

I'm on an island in central Greece and the highest forest altitude around here is about 650 meters. Hope to find some bohemicas, but i think the altitude is not enough.

Thanx for the info man.


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