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A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste
    #26345424 - 11/25/19 07:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me out with this.
Does anyone know how much dried ayahuasca vine one gram of this 30x resin paste would equate to?
If not, can someone please tell me how much of this 30x Ayahuasca vine extract paste I should consume in one sitting for a strong Ayahuasca journey?
I will not be mixing any psychotria viridis (chacruna) with the brew, only the Aya vine extract.
I assumed that one gram of this resin paste would equal approximately 30g of dried vine.
Is it safe to make this assumption?
I would like to get started working with this right away, so if anyone has any more information regarding this Ayahuasca vine 30x dried paste extract it would benefit me greatly and would be very much appreciated.
Also, since it is an extract, I do not need to brew it, correct?
Can I simply dissolve it in hot water and drink it for full effects?
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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26345481 - 11/25/19 08:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Where’d you get it?  I would ask them questions about it.

Or, just take the smallest of amounts and work up to desired effects. Do keep close eye on consumption, or weigh it, and go from there.

Take a pinch.

Has me thinking, they took 30g of vine and made one gram resin. If that’s how done, then, .1g resin be three grams vine.

I would try tiniest of pieces over half hour - hour intervals 

What do you think?


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26345743 - 11/25/19 10:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i've learned it's never safe to assume with psychedelics. your logic seems sound though!


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: 330ci]
    #26346377 - 11/26/19 09:26 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

B.caapi is the plant you are talking about.

Caapi contains harmala alkaloids. It's called ayahuasca vine because it's used to make ayahuasca. But Caapi alone has nothing to do with what most people think ayahuasca is. Ayahuasca is a mix of harmalas and dmt..
The harmalas are needed to activate the dmt. Without harmalas, the dmt would not work. Without dmt, it's only a maoi-trip.

Western researchers have analysed quite a few different ayahuasca brews from native amazonas tribes. They all made different brews.
Almost all were made with harmalas and dmt, in different ratios. The average ammount of dmt was 30mg per cup. I don't know how much harmalas they used, though.

Very few contained no dmt at all, only harmalas. The effects of harmalas alone can be slightly psychedelic, yes. But they are in no way comparable to the effects of dmt.
Harmalas are a purgative, so you will puke, might shit yourself and feel overall very ill if you dose high enough that you feel strong effects from the harmalas alone. It's really not a comfortable experience.


Also, I would not trust any "30:1" extract.. what is this? How is it made?
Caapi is very variable in it's potency. You can use the stems or the leaves. There is red or yellow caapi. All are differing in potency and hard to meassure.
With some you need like 40g for full mao inhibition, with others you need more than 100g for the same effects. Impossible to say how much of this extract you have to use..:shrug:

There are better options, like pure isolated harmalas (which are legal and easy to obtain btw). Take 200mg of these and you can be sure that mao is fully inhibited. Usually there i no nausea with a dose around 200mg.
To get noticable psychedelic like effects from harmalas alone you need to take at least 250 to 350mg, which is a really high dose that usually induce negative side effects (puking and such like mentioned above).

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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26346618 - 11/26/19 11:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm familiar with what B. caapi is, thank you.
Ayahuasca is the name of the vine, not the drink made with dmt.
I only wanted to initially drink the ayahuasca vine for healing purposes, I don't need dmt in my brews.
There are tribes in the amazon which drink exclusively vine-only brews.
The ayahuasca vine is where the healing power comes from, not from the dmt.
it's 30x resin paste because it takes 30g of vine to make one gram of extract.
In their own words: "Together with local indigenous people we slow boil the Caapi  for many hours (3 times 8 hours). After each 8 hour increment, we filter the liquid and then boil down the clear liquid until a thick paste remains. This is the pure gold of this plant."
Why would you not trust this product?
It seems pretty good to me.
I was just wondering how much of this I would need to drink for a powerful entheogenic experience.
But now that you mention it I do want to add dmt-containing plants to the brew.
They also have a Chacruna resin paste 30x extract, as well as a Chaliponga extract.
Thanks for your help.


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26346676 - 11/26/19 12:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's hard to give dosage advice for these kind of exracts. As I said, caapi is highly variable in potency.
If it's potent, then one gram of this extract could give you mild effects already. If it's average then you might need 2 to 3 grams, or more to feel "it".

Best thing is to start low and work your way up untill you are satisfied with the results.
Each person is affected differently. A dose that fits one person could be too much or too little for the next person.

There are some folks that don't use dmt in their medicine, right, but DMT is what makes you trip, not caapi. :shrug:
Ayahuasca is the name of the plant and the name of the brew. When western people like us talk about ayahuasca, they mean dmt. That's all I'm saying.
Dmt is a psychedelic, caapi is harmalas. Harmalas do alter your perception and are a healing tool on it's own in high doses, but it's by far not as visionary or colorful as dmt.
It's simply not a serotoneric psychedelic, totally different feeling compared to dmt, shrooms, lsd or all other psychedelics.

Please report back! I'm interested in how this turns our for you. :thumbup:

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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26349557 - 11/27/19 09:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

DMT is a pretty important ingredient, but the teachings/wisdom/knowledge and such comes from the Harmalas. With Harmalas, it's Ayahuasca, whereas with MAO-A inhibition in general like with Moclobemide, it's just oral DMT, which too can be interesting no doubt, but Aya is a different beat, it's psychoactivity and Entheogenic effects may not be as noticeable or detectable to newcomers, but it definitely comes from the Harmalas and not the DMT, the DMT adds to it and brings it's effects and stuff with it, but it works through the Harmalas, with the Harmalas coloring/altering the experience/effects that the DMT causes, making it Ayahuasca, not just DMT. A lot of people think the Harmalas are merely there to orally activate DMT and that DMT is the main active, it's partially true, it's there to orally activate it and DMT is A main active, but without the Harmalas it's nowhere near the same and a totally different kind of substance. That also applies to using low to moderate dosages of Harmalas compared to high to heavy dosages of Harmalas, the more Harmalas the more Aya-like it is, the less Harmalas the more DMT-like it is, which is why people can confuse DMT as being the main active because they focus on the DMT and take just enough Harmalas to get the job done, but not enough to bring out the full fledged Harmala properties.

I have a lot of experience with Aya and with oral DMT using Moclobemide, i much prefer the Harmalas because they just add sooooooo much more to the experience that you don't get from DMT alone. Oral DMT is cool and all, but it's not Ayahuasca.


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Sabnock]
    #26349565 - 11/27/19 09:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

is oral dmt with a capsule of syrian rue extract the same as ayahuasca, would you say?

i have never tried real liquid ayahuasca, but i have tried oral capped dmt and capped syrian rue extract. People say aya is about nature. Well, my experience was nothing like that of nature. no jaguar motifs. nothing. just pure fucking alien.


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #26349655 - 11/27/19 10:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
is oral dmt with a capsule of syrian rue extract the same as ayahuasca, would you say?

i have never tried real liquid ayahuasca, but i have tried oral capped dmt and capped syrian rue extract. People say aya is about nature. Well, my experience was nothing like that of nature. no jaguar motifs. nothing. just pure fucking alien.




It depends entirely on the Harmalas, purified/isolated Harmala extract feels like Pharmahuasca, full spectrum Rue or Caapi extract or Rue seed/Caapi vine/leaf feels a lot more natural and mind/body/soul/spirit related. So compared to full spectrum, Harmala extract would probably make it feel more alien. For me, Rue has been all about the body/mind, Human nature, and the soul/spirit, some to do with the natural world but mostly about the body and what it is to be Human.


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Sabnock]
    #26357665 - 12/02/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for all your help sabnock.
Does this mean that I could simply dissolve a gram or two of the ayahuasca vine 30x resin paste in some hot water, drink it, then wait 20 minutes, and then dissolve a gram or two of the chacruna 30x resin paste in hot water and drink it for a full-on ayahuasca experience?
I would prefer to mix them together and drink them in one sitting.
The natives boil both plants together as you know and drink it as one concoction.
couldn't I do the same thing with the extracts?
Mix a few grams of each Aya vine extract and chacruna extract in a cup of hot water and drink it down for a strong ayahuasca experience?


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26357698 - 12/02/19 06:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

30x is probably at least a quarter pound of leaves


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26357750 - 12/02/19 06:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Happinessfeeling said:
Thanks for all your help sabnock.
Does this mean that I could simply dissolve a gram or two of the ayahuasca vine 30x resin paste in some hot water, drink it, then wait 20 minutes, and then dissolve a gram or two of the chacruna 30x resin paste in hot water and drink it for a full-on ayahuasca experience?
I would prefer to mix them together and drink them in one sitting.
The natives boil both plants together as you know and drink it as one concoction.
couldn't I do the same thing with the extracts?
Mix a few grams of each Aya vine extract and chacruna extract in a cup of hot water and drink it down for a strong ayahuasca experience?




Yeah you can do that, you can separate the plants or combine them, combining them into one tea is inconsistent, dosing them separately is more consistent so long as you get the timing between the two plants right.

The best thing you can do, is get some Rue seed as well, powder up some seed, encapsulate like 2 to 3 grams, take the Rue seed powder capsules, wait 30 minutes to an hour, and then drink the Caapi and Chacruna paste tea, it'll work like a charm. Rue is pretty consistent when it comes to orally activating the DMT, so you'll have a lot less guesswork to undergo.


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Sabnock]
    #26364421 - 12/06/19 07:13 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

somebody I lent my digital scale to recently lost it, and then died a week later.
So I am without a scale and so I cannot accurately weigh out doses of Syrian rue.
But this is why I thought I should just take small chunks of the 30x Aya extract and the 30x chacruna extract and dissolve them in hot water and drink it as a tea.
I've only to date had one memorable powerful experience with ayahuasca tea which was made from red caapi vine and chacruna leaves, and it was the first time I ever ingested ayahuasca.
It lasted a full six hours and I had intricate visions of the jungle and it's inhabitants, including animals and creatures, and visions of alien places, it was fuck*ng incredible!
I don't think that I could get this type of experience with rue seeds, but I may be wrong.
Sabnock the natives combine the dmt and the maoi together and drink it as one brew, so why can't I?
Why do you feel the need to separate them into two different teas and drink them separately?


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Re: A question about Ayahuasca 30x resin paste [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #26365114 - 12/06/19 01:44 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Happinessfeeling said:
somebody I lent my digital scale to recently lost it, and then died a week later.
So I am without a scale and so I cannot accurately weigh out doses of Syrian rue.
But this is why I thought I should just take small chunks of the 30x Aya extract and the 30x chacruna extract and dissolve them in hot water and drink it as a tea.
I've only to date had one memorable powerful experience with ayahuasca tea which was made from red caapi vine and chacruna leaves, and it was the first time I ever ingested ayahuasca.
It lasted a full six hours and I had intricate visions of the jungle and it's inhabitants, including animals and creatures, and visions of alien places, it was fuck*ng incredible!
I don't think that I could get this type of experience with rue seeds, but I may be wrong.
Sabnock the natives combine the dmt and the maoi together and drink it as one brew, so why can't I?
Why do you feel the need to separate them into two different teas and drink them separately?




As has been mentioned before, all in one teas is usually how it's done, but it's inconsistent in that the DMT may not be orally activated, so you're more likely to have dud experiences. If you browse around in Ayahuasca forums and groups you will see countless people who've said Aya didn't work for them their first few times but that after a few tries it started picking up. I recommend some Rue 30 minutes to an hour beforehand so to ensure DMT gets properly orally activated. You don't really need a scale for the Rue, just powder up some Rue seed, encapsulate like 3 to 4 capsules of Rue seed powder, consume. Make sure you pack the Rue seed powder in the capsules though, i use a drill bit thing to pack the powder in the capsules but you can use whatever works. All you need is 2 to 3 grams of the Rue to ensure gut MAO-A inhibition.

And yes, you can have the same kinds of experiences using Rue as you can get using Caapi, i know i have. They are different plants and hence different "flavors" with a different ratio of Harmalas, lack of THH and different background alkaloids, but the magic in Aya comes from the Harmalas and THH isn't necessary, Caapi and Rue, while different, are essentially the exact same technology. So i would recommend Rue seed powder capsules 30 minutes to an hour before consuming Caapi and Chacruna tea, trust me, it'll work a lot better than the guesstimation that comes with an all in one tea.


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