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Set/Setting bs
    #26344706 - 11/25/19 01:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I have a curious idea about set and setting, I’m posting too see others opinions on this/if it really makes sense..

So for me and it seems like a lot of people, the sort of “mainstream” idea seems to be if we’re going too take psychedelics as some tool for personal growth or something like that we like too get into this sort of gentle state of mind, be alone or have someone we trust with us, clean the surrounding areas, and get everything ready for the experience..

Well..I feel like this is where one of my problems lie with how I use psychedelics..personally, I haven’t fully done the thing, or continued to do the thing I’ve realized was possible with my life/conscious state on these substances which is where I feel a lot of their value lays. I haven’t been doing them for as long as a lot of people and started off quite early age wise but that’s not a real excuse..I really just struggle with my own egoic/addictive/hiding from self problems which I’m sure many of you do as well.

My idea was instead of changing what my usual state of mind and surrounding areas are, which is usually quite a messy surrounding area, some addictive problems, and overall just not being anywhere near as present or productive as I could be, I should take these substances (usually mushrooms for me alone) without changing my set or setting at all, so I can really dive into the “thought stream(s)” I deal with on a daily basis

I kinda feel like changing the set and setting of normal life cleaning everything up is a way of sugar coating things, not fully facing/dealing with yourself..and I feel I’ve done that for quite enough time now and I feel like i’m ready too get in there a little more.

So, does this sound like the worst idea you’ve ever heard or a semi logical one? I’d love too hear from people that have maybe had a similar idea and went with it, but anyone’s opinions are greatly encouraged too be shared.


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: The lurker]
    #26344722 - 11/25/19 01:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think that sounds like a bad idea at all and I imagine many of us who are well-seasoned probably started off doing that.

I question myself a little bit when I tell people what I've found to be the most safe/sacred/pleasant way to take these substances.
Am I being a hypocrite? Am I limiting someone's discovery by showing them what refinements I've found?

I do make sure, always, to tell people to ultimately go with their instincts. What is it you want to do? Okay, do it. Your experience will not be mine.

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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: footpath]
    #26344734 - 11/25/19 01:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Shrooms are a wild experience. Why make it harder with a bad set and setting.

I recommend in your bed in a dark room.


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: footpath]
    #26344750 - 11/25/19 01:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I took shrooms immediately after a nasty breakup, and after the trip I stopped caring about her and moved on with my life :shrug: I'd say do it, you might benefit like I did


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: The lurker]
    #26344751 - 11/25/19 01:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If you take a hefty enough dose in a setting without distractions, whatever message needs to get through likely will. For me, theres always the "cut the bullshit, get things together, this life is all you got, take it seriously" segment of the trip, where I rethink pretty much every 'negative' habit in my life.

Regardless of the dose/setting, whether or not you integrate what you get out of it is what's important. Much easier said than done. I'd argue low but gradually increasing doses while functioning in whatever settings you have in mind might help. The frequency will kind of hammer in the "be mindful of what you're doing" message.

I've dosed during a heroin withdrawal before. To this day it's the most powerful and deepest experience of my life, but can't say that what I got out of it helped me at all practically in my daily life. If anything I found more solace in heroin afterwards, as an escape from the enormity and importance of what the trip showed me.


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: feevers]
    #26344788 - 11/25/19 02:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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The Mycologist said:
Shrooms are a wild experience. Why make it harder with a bad set and setting.

I recommend in your bed in a dark room.



Haha you’re tellin me.. I’m not trying too make it harder, I’m trying to get a more honest look at myself. Really Facing myself/being honest versus hiding away from myself/telling myself lies is a big theme in my life at the moment, and I feel as though prepping a nice little comfortable setting and getting yourself in a gentle mindset isn’t facing yourself and being honest with yourself but rather creating a fake version of doing so and sugarcoats things Quite a bit, when I feel I should be getting a solid look at myself of how I usually am, rather than this fake thing I create to feel better about myself (prepping a light hearted setting)
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feevers said:

If you take a hefty enough dose in a setting without distractions, whatever message needs to get through likely will. For me, theres always the "cut the bullshit, get things together, this life is all you got, take it seriously" segment of the trip, where I rethink pretty much every 'negative' habit in my life.

Regardless of the dose/setting, whether or not you integrate what you get out of it is what's important. Much easier said than done. I'd argue low but gradually increasing doses while functioning in whatever settings you have in mind might help. The frequency will kind of hammer in the "be mindful of what you're doing" message.

I've dosed during a heroin withdrawal before. To this day it's the most powerful and deepest experience of my life, but can't say that what I got out of it helped me at all practically in my daily life. If anything I found more solace in heroin afterwards, as an escape from the enormity and importance of what the trip showed me.



That’s very true this is a great reply thanks for this.. I’ve been doing exactly what you suggested, low but increasing doses with a solid frequency (but making a point to not make it habitual) and I’ve been having a hard time making the decision too cross a certain point dosage/intensity wise. It’s like I’ll make the decision but end up lowering my dose before consumption too a place I’ve worked with enough to be generally comfortable and know what intensity too expect.

I’ve been doing it like this already because early on I went for it way too hard at a point where I was absolutely not ready too integrate or deal with what I could be shown, so I’m basically working past a good bit of self inflicted trauma. It’s helping and has helped a lot but I’m kinda stuck at this point, I guess I’ve really just gotta do it

Really like your point for the last paragraph as well.


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: The lurker]
    #26344854 - 11/25/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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The lurker said:
I kinda feel like changing the set and setting of normal life cleaning everything up is a way of sugar coating things, not fully facing/dealing with yourself..and I feel I’ve done that for quite enough time now and I feel like i’m ready too get in there a little more.




Once you go deep enough the cleanliness or lack doesn't make any difference.  You just see the underlying patterns in any mess.  But it's easier to avoid negative thought patterns if you have things clean around you, and focus on what you want to.

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Well..I feel like this is where one of my problems lie with how I use psychedelics..personally, I haven’t fully done the thing, or continued to do the thing I’ve realized was possible with my life/conscious state on these substances which is where I feel a lot of their value lays.




What does that mean - you haven't done what they showed you or you haven't gone as deep as you think you should yet?


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26344921 - 11/25/19 03:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I mean that I haven’t done what they’ve showed me or continued too and have fallen back into “unconsciousness” quite a lot. But really both, I really fucked myself in terms of going as deep as I think I should, when I was younger I went into it way too deep way too quickly when I wasn’t ready for any of it, so I guess a lot of this is working past the literal trauma I’ve inflicted upon myself and hid from, that holds me back from going as deep as I can. It kinda really fucking sucks but it’s an interesting process..all part of the drama we call life I guess :facepalm:

Important edit: so that is a good point but I can’t get myself too get that deep because of what I mentioned above..the negative thought streams/patterns are what I’m trying not too avoid, I’m trying too really look at those things and come up with better ways too deal with them. If I don’t do that on the psychedelics I never really will..it’s so much easier not too..


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: The lurker]
    #26344964 - 11/25/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I'm "addicted" to clean and orderly, so, I need my environment to be that way since psychedelics can magnify one's own idiosyncratic needs and desires.  Clean house, clean room, clean sheets, clean body (shaved and showered), wholesome food available, such as fruits, vegetables, nuts, water, juice...you get the idea.

If you find that neat and orderly offends during the trip, allowing things to get messy is a whole lot easier than the effort involved in having to make your surroundings and self clean, which can take a couple of hours.

To me, it's a ritual wherein I earn the right to a few leisurely hours in self-exploration.


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26344986 - 11/25/19 04:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe I don’t understand your reply, but It’s not so much that it offends, it’s more that I’m not usually that way, so it feels like I’m building up this fake character of this version of myself that wishes it was actually like this fake character, that knows it’s not at all and that it’s about to face its true, ugly character and ultimately doesn’t want too and sugarcoats it...so it doesn’t really work.

For sure I just haven’t earned the right for it too be a leisurely few hours of self exploration. I have a lot of self inflicted psychedelic trauma and unconsciousness that this is all a part of working past


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: The lurker]
    #26345040 - 11/25/19 04:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I appreciate everyone’s replies btw even if I don’t directly respond, making this thread and typing all of this out and really getting into it helps me more than anything else..I infinitely appreciate this wonderful place that allows me too do such a thing and not be harshly judged for it. Much love ya’ll :heart: :mushroom2:


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Re: Set/Setting bs [Re: Nature Boy]
    #26345176 - 11/25/19 05:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Well, I'm "addicted" to clean and orderly, so, I need my environment to be that way since psychedelics can magnify one's own idiosyncratic needs and desires.  Clean house, clean room, clean sheets, clean body (shaved and showered), wholesome food available, such as fruits, vegetables, nuts, water, juice...you get the idea.

If you find that neat and orderly offends during the trip, allowing things to get messy is a whole lot easier than the effort involved in having to make your surroundings and self clean, which can take a couple of hours.

To me, it's a ritual wherein I earn the right to a few leisurely hours in self-exploration.




I agree with this 100%


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