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Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from?
    #26344402 - 11/25/19 11:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, guys! First time grower here, would truly appreciate any input.

So, I got these bad boys sitting here at around day 8 of colonization. This is B+ on rye berry and manure mix. From what it looks like to me, they are doing quite fine with no contams of any sort. Sorry for blurry pics, but I just didn't want to risk opening the bags yet.

I want to fruit them in the bags directly; but, I think I'm just big time confused about pinning and fruiting in general, so I am not sure about how to go about that. I am going to make tubs in the future, but for now I am interested to fruit them successfully in the bag, and I am looking for input from people who have done so successfully in the past.

From what I understand the key issue for pinning and fruiting is FAE (CO2 out/O2 in) without drying out the substrate and losing humidity. That, to me, would indicate that those 1.5"x1.5" 0.5 micron patches up top the bag would not be able to provide enough FAE, especially considering that CO2 tends to accumulate at the bottom of the bag. Bags look pretty "sweaty" and there is no standing water on the inside, so I'm assuming the humidity is ok.

Having said that, I have seen an all-in-one-bag tek post on some other forum where this dude magicman fruited in the bag without any adjustments to the bag, besides opening it up one time only - when it started to pin - and doing a thorough air exchange. Then he closed it back up until it's time to harvest the first flush.

I guess I'm just really confused about how that works, and how he could get such excellent results in the bag (not in terms of the yield, which is not going to be gigantic in the bag, but in terms of good pins and fruits), when it seems like FAE is absolutely critical for success with pins and fruits in a tub.

Am I correct to assume that if I just leave these bad boys (see below) the way they are right now, without any FAE, they will actually pin? Or is FAE required for pinning? Should I cut open holes/slits right above the substrate level and cover them with micropore to allow for some CO2 escape?

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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: Azoth]
    #26344415 - 11/25/19 11:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

They don't get FAE in those bags they just get gas exchange and that's why performance and appearance suffer growing like that.

Most people cut slits or holes in the bags for fruiting to fix the issue


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26344425 - 11/25/19 11:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

those look like they r already mixed so did u inoculate and colonize  in jars or bags first then mix or did u just shoot spores into mixed bags cuz thats gnna make or break ya most likely lil more info would help


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26344493 - 11/25/19 11:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

inoculated rye first, then mixed it into manure sub. How does that make a difference though? :confused: sorry, I'm new to this


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26344495 - 11/25/19 12:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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They don't get FAE in those bags they just get gas exchange and that's why performance and appearance suffer growing like that.

Most people cut slits or holes in the bags for fruiting to fix the issue




When would be the best time to cut the bag? Will they pin without the holes, just as they are right now?


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: Azoth]
    #26344501 - 11/25/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Wait for full colonization, then cut. Maybe just a couple slits first to avoid losing too much moisture, more when you see pins.


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: feldman114]
    #26344642 - 11/25/19 01:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Wait for full colonization, then cut. Maybe just a couple slits first to avoid losing too much moisture, more when you see pins.




do you think that cutting large slit but then applying micropore tape over them, the way some people do with their tubs, could be something i should at least explore with some of them?


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: Azoth]
    #26344811 - 11/25/19 02:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i thought u might have bought those all in 1 pre made crap bags mixed it up n just shot spores in it cuz that usually dont work out too well but u should b good just give em air


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: jcm4620]
    #26344829 - 11/25/19 02:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Well if you have micropore tape than don’t be afraid of making more holes. If the sub starts drying up too quick, tape some up, and so on and on until you dial in the perfect configuration.


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Re: Fruiting in the bag - where does FAE come from? [Re: feldman114]
    #26345548 - 11/25/19 08:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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i thought u might have bought those all in 1 pre made crap bags mixed it up n just shot spores in it cuz that usually dont work out too well but u should b good just give em air




Yeah, I'm trying to figure that part out. My next jars are definitely going to go into tubs, but I just figured I might as well try to grow these out in the bags since I already put them in the bags.

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Well if you have micropore tape than don’t be afraid of making more holes. If the sub starts drying up too quick, tape some up, and so on and on until you dial in the perfect configuration.




I think I get it. Cut holes and layer the micropore as needed, watching the humidity. I think what I'm going to do with 2-4 of them is wait till full colonization and then cut long thick slits just above substrate to leak CO2 out and cut holes on top to get fresh air in (micropore all the cuts/holes).

And then for the other 4-6 I'm going to make a SGFC, cut the bag off just above substrate and f-f-f-F-F-FRUIT them in that thing.

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Maybe I should even keep 2 without holes at all and do what that magicman dude did, just air them out once. Then I'll be able to compare and post many different results


Edited by Azoth (11/25/19 08:35 PM)


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