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Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca?
    #26343987 - 11/25/19 06:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Looking into ibogaine retreats and ayahuasca retreats in Costa Rica / Peru for a week-long ceremony/retreat including all acccomadations, medical staff and the medicine itself, the ayahuasca retreat costs about $600 USD, whereas the ibogaine  retreats average $6000 USD.

Any idea why ibogaine is so much more expensive than ayahuasca? What factors would justify ibogaine costing nearly 10 times as much as ayahuasca?

Has anyone here gone through one of these? Did you go into it trying to fix a problem with yourself such as substance abuse/addiction or mental disorders? Or did you just want to explore/discover something new about yourself?

Anyone here who hasn't done either interested in attending at some point in your life?


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Envix]
    #26343988 - 11/25/19 06:41 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'd personally love to try ayahuasca at some point, not sure about ibogaine though.

No idea why the price discrepancy, either. Is it a fake scarcity thing like diamonds, or is there an actual manufacturing process involved?


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #26343996 - 11/25/19 06:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

They're both the same sort of thing in terms of a medicinal concoction. It's just a tea full of root bark and some herbs and plants. It grows all over the place in those areas. So it cant just be based on the medicine itself

I'm wondering if it's because of the nature of what ibogaine treatment is specifically used for. Ayahuasca is described as exploring the spirit realm and entering a dream like state where you feel a deep connection with nature.

Ibogaine is deliberately used to treat substance abuse problems and mental disorders, showing you the truth and giving you all the answers you need to hear for all of your problems. Ibogaine experience is described as being an extremely uncomfortable experience but teaches you all the lessons you need to learn in the span of one day, basically giving you the equivalent of 10 years worth of therapy in a single day.

Ayahuasca is said to make you feel really good and happy, and make you see lots of trippy things. Ibogaine is like taking a sucker punch to the face by your higher self and telling you to get your fucking shit together and stop being a jackass


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Envix] * 1
    #26344001 - 11/25/19 06:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

For the reasons you've just explained, I lean toward ayahuasca out of these two.

AWESOME avatar btw; Tetra! :cool:


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26344453 - 11/25/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Time.

I just read it takes the vine of ayahuasca a minimum of 5 years before harvest, while ibogaine root bark takes minimum of 10 years for a single 500g dose.

This is why I'm an advocate for psilocybin mushrooms as they are sustainable. Anyone can grow pounds of mushrooms within a few months.


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: HamHead]
    #26344628 - 11/25/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Anyone can grow pounds of mushrooms within a few months.






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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Envix]
    #26344650 - 11/25/19 01:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ibogaine's legal in Canada. Not sure about treatment center prices but I know one site that has been around for quite a while and sells total alkaloid extracts (~C$ 70/g) and ibogaine HCl (~220/g).


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: psi] * 1
    #26345080 - 11/25/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Ibogaine's legal in Canada. Not sure about treatment center prices but I know one site that has been around for quite a while and sells total alkaloid extracts (~C$ 70/g) and ibogaine HCl (~220/g).




Yeah I think this is the biggest cause of the price difference. People eat 1g or more of Ibogaine as a single dose in some cases, and if you are going to a week long retreat with multiple doses that could be hundreds of dollars worth of alkaloids alone.

And with retreats you have to tack on room and board, staff who need to get paid, etc. The price can add up fast. Plenty of Aya retreats cost thousands as well, and they are using much cheaper and accessible alkaloids.

So most of the price of retreats comes from the retreat aspect rather then the substance itself usually, but Ibogaine is a fairly unique substance and people need pretty damn large doses.


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Envix]
    #26345275 - 11/25/19 06:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, don't.  I looked deep into it but if you have money to waste then great!  Not worth it to me but to each their own.  Tricky obtaining it and I can't.  But if a root ever is legal that will be great1


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Barnaby]
    #26345301 - 11/25/19 06:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

$600 to take some drugs. What a jack move. Those fools get rich off you since $600 in south america is like a downpayment to a mansion.


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: FungiMaster]
    #26345816 - 11/25/19 11:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, just get your drugs off the internet like normal people. If you need a sitter/guide I would be happy to help you for $50 a day plus travel costs and you need to have your fridge and pantry stocked. I can even dress Shaman-like and bring some cool trip toys and my hammock for you to lay in. For $75 a day I will pick up a couple kittens from the shelter to help you have a good vibes type of trip.

For $100 a day I will take you deep into the woods of Yosemite for a nice natural camping type ceremony.


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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #26346095 - 11/26/19 06:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Why is ibogaine treatment so much more expensive than ayahuasca? [Re: Salomon]
    #26346104 - 11/26/19 06:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)



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