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Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir
#26343598 - 11/24/19 11:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I recently cased about 8 qrts of fully colonized rye grain with hydrated coco coir in a medium sized black tub. First, I applied a generously thick layer of coco coir at the bottom and around the sides, then I filled with crumbled cakes of rye grain, inoculated with golden teacher sub-strain, I then cover with a generous half inch layer of coco coir. I then covered with a sheet of plastic wrap then heavy duty aluminum foil to protect the interior contents from having abundant contact with the exterior environment.
This was 2 days ago, so my question is, how much time before I should unveil it and place it in the fruiting chamber and is there anything problematic in my method so far?
Everything looks and feels right but I’m no expert. I’ll post some pics when it starts pinning if anyone is interested.
Thanks for the help.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26343611 - 11/24/19 11:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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That’s a lot of spawn for 1 tray. Most mix there’s spawn throughout the substrate then put a layer on top but you will probably still have some luck. I would take the foil off because mycelium loves light. If your going to let it colonize before you put it in the fruiting chamber then I’d just put clear plastic wrap with a few small holes so the mycelium can still breath. Or cut a slit in the plastic wrap and cover with micropore tape. What kind of fruiting chamber do you plan to use?
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: SFS96]
#26344285 - 11/25/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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My fruiting chamber is going to be a plastic storage tub with many small holes drilled in the sides with wet perlite at the bottom to keep humidity up. Thats the plan anyways, i’m still thinking it through.
Thanks for the insight, Ill remove the foil today.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26356865 - 12/02/19 08:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So, mycelium is growing strong, but tiny patches of coco coir casing is drying out just a touch, will that negatively effect the growing/fruiting ?
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26356912 - 12/02/19 09:42 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26357453 - 12/02/19 03:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Would appreciate some helpful/reassuring comments, if anyone can share some insight.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26357462 - 12/02/19 03:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’d give it a light mist and get ready for some pins. Don’t over mist it though, it will get all matted and not produce as well.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: SFS96]
#26357549 - 12/02/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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It looks good so far
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: A.k.a]
#26357556 - 12/02/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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No need to make an SGFC if you can find a tote about the same size as the tray. Just slide it in and you got yourself a monotub.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: A.k.a]
#26357567 - 12/02/19 05:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks good. I agree with others on misting it. A nice indirect spray or two to will do. Nice to see some high quality pictures for once too.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: attednev]
#26358777 - 12/03/19 09:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the comments. This morning a small area looks to be turning green/blue. I suspect it's either trich mold or psilocybin bluing.
I have pictures showing 2 of the same set of images, one set has saturation turned up to dramatize the coloring, the other is how it really looks. Any suggestions on what I should do about it, if it is problematic.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26358789 - 12/03/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That looks like bruising. It looks good except it needs a mist so there’s little beads of water stuck to the all the myc poking through.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai] 1
#26358803 - 12/03/19 09:59 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Trich will first appear as a blotch of blindingly white, solid-looking mold. Then it releases green spores and looks “puffy”. That spot is bruised
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: feldman114]
#26358914 - 12/03/19 11:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said: Trich will first appear as a blotch of blindingly white, solid-looking mold. Then it releases green spores and looks “puffy”. That spot is bruised
thanks for the info! I appreciate knowing that.
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A.k.a said: That looks like bruising. It looks good except it needs a mist so there’s little beads of water stuck to the all the myc poking through.
I got a spray bottle and indirectly sprayed pure water and it's resembling early morning dew, I guess that might have something to do with mushrooms always popping up in the morning. The mycelium smell has become somewhat pungent, and much more noticeable.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26361117 - 12/04/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26361127 - 12/04/19 01:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are lookin good
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: A.k.a]
#26361146 - 12/04/19 02:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha did you jack a Walgreens tote?? Hands were itching to do it years ago when I was working there. Dunno if that’s what you have but those are perfect for cult.
Also, lookin good. I’d guess it’s T minus 2-4 days until you see knots.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: feldman114]
#26361166 - 12/04/19 02:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking good, nice pics btw.
I recommend you to try this next time! You will be sure about how many holes and positions, worked well for me
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: TonyMushrana]
#26362908 - 12/05/19 12:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I appreciate the reassurance, hopefully these will work out. It's always iffy with cultures and having them produce right.
more pics, from this afternoon.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: feldman114]
#26367041 - 12/07/19 01:55 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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feldman114 said: Haha did you jack a Walgreens tote?? Hands were itching to do it years ago when I was working there. Dunno if that’s what you have but those are perfect for cult.
Also, lookin good. I’d guess it’s T minus 2-4 days until you see knots.
I think knots are forming but I’m not sure, the whole “cake/tub” is shrinking & retracting from the container it’s in, some pale yellowing & more bruising is occurring, also lots of threading structures are forming on the sides, not sure if that means there’s something wrong with their environment (humidity/FAE) ? It’s a slow process but I think it’s coming to fruition.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26367045 - 12/07/19 01:57 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have my doubts about misting, I feel they looked healthier (more white/fluffier) before. Anyone feel the same?
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26367315 - 12/07/19 04:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure misting must be good since it's used by so many, but something about dampening that fluffy myc is a bit sad, oh well. They look like they aren't minding it.
here's some pics from tonight:
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26367704 - 12/07/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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They're also under a 16/8 light schedule and with no heat at night (60s-40sF), is there any problem with those conditions?
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26367725 - 12/07/19 07:37 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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close up shot:
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26368532 - 12/08/19 08:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aaaaaand we got knots!
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: feldman114] 1
#26370566 - 12/09/19 09:47 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I may have too much FAE, and the tub is drying out to the point where the mycelium is losing its vibrancy, the colonized substrate is receding from the edges of the tub it is in and looks like it's lost about 10 percent of it's original volume, I sprayed some water onto to help slow the evaporating water but I think the main problem is to many holes in the FC, upwards of 50-100.
should I tape these holes shut to an extent and what can I do to make sure this cake doesn't end up dying on me.
I appreciate all comments, just some quick insight would really be helpful.
I'll try to get pics up later to better show how it's looking.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26370616 - 12/09/19 10:12 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I placed the fruiting chamber inside the same kind of container (I have a pack of 3) without holes so now the FAE is minimal and I think better for raising the humidity and helping the tub out from not drying out.
Will update when signs of positive change occur.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26372980 - 12/10/19 11:49 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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pin pic update:
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26373016 - 12/10/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nekai said: pin pic update:

Looks really wet tbh. Did you give it a mega-misting before taking the pic?
Some shrinkage is to be expected. Surface looks good to me, and that would dry out before anything else. FAE should only be restricted if you can’t maintain RH. Otherwise, the more the marrier. It boosts growth and helps prevent contams.Quote:
Nekai said: They're also under a 16/8 light schedule and with no heat at night (60s-40sF), is there any problem with those conditions?
Didn’t see this before. Cold temps won’t ruin your grow, but 40-60F will stall the shit out of it.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: feldman114]
#26374953 - 12/11/19 12:06 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had just misted it, it seems to dry out at a rate which will undermine the water source for the incoming flush, but they seem to do well, pins are growing slowly.
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: Nekai]
#26377597 - 12/12/19 04:03 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Still growing, but now away from intense light, with slower air flow which should help with keeping up humidity.
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Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26378284 - 12/12/19 11:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice job!
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: fahtster]
#26378473 - 12/13/19 04:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looks good!
Might want to read this post to optimized surface conditions for even more sexy shroomies.
Your surface looks a little dry
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: YogiBear]
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Might want to read this post to optimized surface conditions for even more sexy shroomies.
Your surface looks a little dry
, I've been wondering ways to help with keeping the moisture up.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26379324 - 12/13/19 02:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those pics are beautiful! Honestly the best results I get are from set and forget projects, no hole monos are such little work, nothing special and amazing results (clean, hydrated, no contams). BOD's Easy AF UnBODified Monotub TEK (No Holes No Polyfil, type that in the search, it took out so much unnecessary work
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Dr.Dank]
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26379822 - 12/13/19 05:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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So weird how they grow all over the edges and nowhere else.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: A.k.a]
#26379911 - 12/13/19 06:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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That is where the moisture is being drawn in from the trays side, the substrate is thirsty and dry.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Dr.Dank]
#26379964 - 12/13/19 06:32 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Canna-bliss1 said: That is where the moisture is being drawn in from the trays side, the substrate is thirsty and dry.
I’m misting at least once per day, and I started with pretty wet coco coir, so the evaporations effect on the volume of sub is dramatic, it doesn’t feel dry but I think it could use some more hydration, but I’m not sure how best to go about it. I think pins are coming in more then they were so I guess it’s going well enough for now.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26380023 - 12/13/19 07:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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A good dunk after the first flush will do wonders, Really let that sub re hydrate. Either way, they look meaty, delicious and !
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Dr.Dank]
#26380091 - 12/13/19 08:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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caps on the left seem oddly whiteish blu thing going on, possible contamination?
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26380282 - 12/13/19 10:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nope, just dry
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Re: Important question about the schedule after casing rye grain with coco coir [Re: fahtster]
#26380317 - 12/13/19 11:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn what camera are you using, those are some nice shots.
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It's a Nikon d810, low-iso/long-exposure, shot in RAW format and adjusted in photoshop.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: fahtster]
#26380343 - 12/13/19 11:30 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Should I mist more, or maybe add more water the the bed of perlite the tub is resting on.
Or, would it be a good idea to add water to the tub itself just enough so that there's just an excess of water around the substrate, which can be drawn from as more water evaporates from the sub?
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26380381 - 12/14/19 12:09 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can pour water down the sides four a couple hours and dump off any water it doesn’t suck up after that.
Or just wait for this flush to be over and submerge the sub in water for a couple hours after that. A misting now may help.. the coir does have a dry color to it. I’d usually refrain from directly misting. That flush is pretty far along though.. not sure you’ll do much good at this point, but water down the sides is a safe bet that shouldn’t cause problems
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Dr.Dank]
#26380497 - 12/14/19 02:11 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those set & forget FC (bods-tek) seem too perfect, what are the common drawbacks from going that route?
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26380829 - 12/14/19 07:54 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only draw back to any mono is more "eggs in one basket" so to speak, if the tub goes south and gets contaminated you usually lose the entire tub, 6 or so quarts of spawn and 6-12 quarts sub gone. If you use good sterile technique you shouldn't have any problems. I feel like the more I baby my projects and constantly check on em and fiddle with things, the more I get issues arising and contains. Set and forget monos are the way to go imo.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Dr.Dank]
#26381674 - 12/14/19 04:31 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I did a partial harvest today, sub seems to still be drying out at the same rate. I poured a few cups of RO water along the sides and now the sub is floating, I plan to drain/pour the water out but I'd like to keep it as is for as long as is advisable, so with that I guess I should keep the water there 2-8 hours, or maybe more?
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26381691 - 12/14/19 04:38 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like to weigh the sub down with a small weight and give a full covered dunk at least overnight. To each their own though. In the end it's only about re hydrating the mycelium, however you go about it is just personal preference.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Dr.Dank]
#26382260 - 12/14/19 09:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26382938 - 12/15/19 09:01 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Def safe to pop those aborts off if you want to keep them.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: A.k.a]
#26393277 - 12/20/19 11:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Added a few dozen millimeters of alkaline water to the tub which surrounds the substrate and I think it's drawing it in as the next flush is coming up. Also, they seem to do be growing better without misting post pinning.
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Re: Golden Teacher Grow Log - Organic Rye Grain & Coco Coir [Re: Nekai]
#26418354 - 01/05/20 08:29 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cased a suspected contaminated jar (few black spots) and it turned out surprisingly. This might not be Golden Teacher, but rather PE6 or Orissa India.
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