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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: theRealrollforever] * 1
    #26344028 - 11/25/19 07:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Gender may be malleable but sex isn’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system

Males = XY
Females = XX

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In humans, the presence of the Y chromosome is responsible for triggering male development; in the absence of the Y chromosome, the fetus will undergo female development




Pretending otherwise is as stupid a climate change denial or not believing in evolution. It’s just liberal stupidity instead conservative stupidity.

We need to get past the fear of being labeled a bigot. You can call me a bigot and transphobic asshole all day. Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettie_Stevens

If you can’t accept this you might as well be a flat earther. Wearing a fucking wig doesn’t make you a woman ffs


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #26344071 - 11/25/19 07:47 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Gender may be malleable but sex isn’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system

Males = XY
Females = XX

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In humans, the presence of the Y chromosome is responsible for triggering male development; in the absence of the Y chromosome, the fetus will undergo female development




Pretending otherwise is as stupid a climate change denial or not believing in evolution. It’s just liberal stupidity instead conservative stupidity.

We need to get past the fear of being labeled a bigot. You can call me a bigot and transphobic asshole all day. Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettie_Stevens

If you can’t accept this you might as well be a flat earther. Wearing a fucking wig doesn’t make you a woman ffs





Uhhh, we know for a fact that sex isn't always exactly XY or XX, there are anomalies. So your complete certainty isn't that certain at all. In fact, nature produces variations on male and female. There's a good Radiolab on the subject, it even addresses a female track star that was running basically men's times, but she has a vagina and tits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_anomalies


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26344096 - 11/25/19 07:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Here is an article about the athlete I was thinking of. It wrestles with some of the issues of women being more manly, despite being a woman.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/magazine/the-humiliating-practice-of-sex-testing-female-athletes.html

For the record, I don't really think it's fair for Usain Bolt to strap some tits on and start running in the woman's group. And I think that episode of South Park was fucking hilarious. I also think that these binary outlooks are based on the imaginations of people from 2000 years ago who were by and large all okay with fucking their daughters and a bunch of other shit that we know is insane today. So perhaps we can give up some of these long held beliefs for something a little more understanding.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26344136 - 11/25/19 08:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Because that goes against being accepting and understanding of trans people.



No, it doesnt.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #26344162 - 11/25/19 08:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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yah but if we integrate sports then its totally fair. Fighting should be based solely on weight class. I really feel like women could be contenders but theyre just not given the opportunities or something. It would at least be something to see.







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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: christopera]
    #26344186 - 11/25/19 08:55 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Uhhh, we know for a fact that sex isn't always exactly XY or XX, there are anomalies. So your complete certainty isn't that certain at all. In fact, nature produces variations on male and female. There's a good Radiolab on the subject, it even addresses a female track star that was running basically men's times, but she has a vagina and tits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_anomalies




This isn’t about transexuals, this about a class of folks with gender dysphoria bullying their way into sports divisions of the opposite sex.  Scientifically, they’re not even transexual.  Why you decided to derail this conversation with this tidbit of info, I don’t know.



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I also think that these binary outlooks are based on the imaginations of people from 2000 years ago who were by and large all okay with fucking their daughters and a bunch of other shit that we know is insane today.




2000 years ago it was this kind of shit that destroyed Roman and Greek society.  They’ll be trying to destigmatize incest pretty soon too.  We already got nine year old drag queens, and we all know what comes after that one.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26344191 - 11/25/19 08:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Did you not read the comment above mine? The one I quoted? Because male or female may be determined by chromosomes, but it's not binary.

Proof that non-binary sexuality destroyed Roman and Greek society? I bet you can't find any. (p.s. way to derail the conversation with this made up b.s.)


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #26344199 - 11/25/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I was watching an episode of South Park and they touched on the issue of male to female trans athletes having an unfair advantage in athletic competition.  It made me wonder, ARE there any FEMALES who transition to MALE and dominate?  I was unable to find a single one.  It’s crazy to me that people are so wrapped up in the PC baby movement that they can’t recognize a simple double standard and that there will never be a biological female who dominates in a strictly male sports league.  I don’t dislike trans people at all, but on a strictly athletic level, they male to female converters have an insane advantage IMO even after hormone therapy.  I doubt that they’re testosterone levels are actually the same as bio women. It’s also even crazier the only south park touches on this fact in the media and that the olympics are allowing trans M to F and degrading the integrity of the women’s sports.  How do you feel?  Please show me a case of F to M success in sports after transitioning.  I’d love to be wrong




I know(to be fair i only met/shot with him once) a FtM that kicks ass in IPSC shooting.  Maybe not in the scope ov something like fighting or basketball and whatnot, but it is a competitive sport that has separate gender classes.

To be honest, much like immigration, this is one ov the very few subjects i personally do'nt like to address as i'm divisive in my feelings on the matter.  I do understand your viewpoint and also feel that making light ov the issue with comedy should be encouraged.  Despite being gay myself with one ov my best friends being MtF, i equally hate the hypocritical PC libtardation ov modern society that wishes to stifle free expression in favor ov moral placation.  A PC utopia would be totalitarian hell.

That said, a transgender should be allowed to use any bathroom ov hir wishing.  I do'nt believe in bathroom segregation and stand with my transgendered brothers and sisters on that issue!


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: christopera] * 2
    #26344260 - 11/25/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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TheFakeSunRa said:
Gender may be malleable but sex isn’t.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system

Males = XY
Females = XX

Quote:

In humans, the presence of the Y chromosome is responsible for triggering male development; in the absence of the Y chromosome, the fetus will undergo female development




Pretending otherwise is as stupid a climate change denial or not believing in evolution. It’s just liberal stupidity instead conservative stupidity.

We need to get past the fear of being labeled a bigot. You can call me a bigot and transphobic asshole all day. Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettie_Stevens

If you can’t accept this you might as well be a flat earther. Wearing a fucking wig doesn’t make you a woman ffs





Uhhh, we know for a fact that sex isn't always exactly XY or XX, there are anomalies. So your complete certainty isn't that certain at all. In fact, nature produces variations on male and female. There's a good Radiolab on the subject, it even addresses a female track star that was running basically men's times, but she has a vagina and tits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_anomalies




Nature is always going to have outliers but no matter how you slice it the XX XY chromosome reality is the cornerstone of reproduction. Grasping at anomalies is nothing more than an attempt to justify absurd beliefs. Sex isn’t a social construct; it’s a biological reality and all the pretending in the universe isn’t going to change that.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26344270 - 11/25/19 09:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That's not what you said though, you said " Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century."

I've proven you are wrong, and now you've admitted it, but you've moved the goal posts to suit your stance.

You can believe in binary gender all you want, chromosomal gender is not binary though. There's nothing you, me, or anybody else can do about that.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: christopera]
    #26344281 - 11/25/19 10:02 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you not read the comment above mine? The one I quoted? Because male or female may be determined by chromosomes,


of course male and female is determined by chromosomes, for the last time we’re not talking about transexuals so drop the arrogant attitude.

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but it's not binary.


. This is non-pertinent to the conversation.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26344284 - 11/25/19 10:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's pertinent because when you are trying to make a claim the only men and females can compete (in distinct or combined classes) you are ignoring that there's a spectrum beyond just men and woman in the traditional binary sense. And having an assortment of chromosomes that aren't the standard XX or XY doesn't imply transsexualism, that's you making shit up. If you look, I never even remotely touched on the subject of transsexualism.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: christopera]
    #26344289 - 11/25/19 10:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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That's not what you said though, you said " Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century."

I've proven you are wrong, and now you've admitted it, but you've moved the goal posts to suit your stance.

You can believe in binary gender all you want, chromosomal gender is not binary though. There's nothing you, me, or anybody else can do about that.




This is a rather autistic response.  And still non-pertinent to the conversation.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26344293 - 11/25/19 10:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have a rebuttal to the known science? Perhaps you can attempt to discredit my character some more.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: lowbrow]
    #26344295 - 11/25/19 10:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century.

I stand by that. And it absolutely is binary. Two parts. Male and female. That’s how you make babies.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26344296 - 11/25/19 10:10 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century.

I stand by that. And it absolutely is binary. Two parts. Male and female. That’s how you make babies.




Modern science disagrees.

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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: christopera]
    #26344315 - 11/25/19 10:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Whether you’re male or female is determined by your chromosomes. We’ve known this with complete certainty for over a century.

I stand by that. And it absolutely is binary. Two parts. Male and female. That’s how you make babies.




Modern science disagrees.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯




Sure when you dig deeper it’s more complex than what you learned in sixth grade but the basic reality of it remains. The studies you’re pointing to are exploiting a complexity to justify supporting a ridiculous political agenda. XX XY is the basic fundamental truth. That’s why all the scissor sistering in the world will never make a baby. Honestly, it’s just horse sense. Everyone knows it.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 1
    #26344319 - 11/25/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Horse sense? I've never heard that expression.

Is it like common sense?


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: christopera] * 1
    #26344327 - 11/25/19 10:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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It's pertinent because when you are trying to make a claim the only men and females can compete (in distinct or combined classes)


You’ve moved the goal posts.  This is not a conversation about physically sexual anomalies.  This is a conversation about certain individuals suffering from gender dysphoria bullying their way into sports divisions of the opposite sex.

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you are ignoring that there's a spectrum beyond just men and woman in the traditional binary sense.


This is not a conversation about physically sexual anomalies.  This is a conversation about certain individuals suffering from gender dysphoria bullying their way into sports divisions of the opposite sex.
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And having an assortment of chromosomes that aren't the standard XX or XY doesn't imply transsexualism, that's you making shit up.


This a rather autistic point, and non-pertinent to the conversation at hand.
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If you look, I never even remotely touched on the subject of transsexualism.




So you admit you have nothing pertinent to add to the conversation and just jumped in to autistically sperg out on sexual anomalies.  Glad we got that sorted out.


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Re: Trans M to F athletes are cheaters; South Park only sane media in backwards PC movement [Re: lowbrow] * 1
    #26344335 - 11/25/19 10:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No, I responded to the comment above mine that is factually incorrect.

I get that you can't prove me wrong, I also understand that you don't have any proof that the homos killed the Roman empire, and finally I acknowledge your inability to have a discussion like an adult as is clearly indicated by your repeated ad hominem attacks.

You've knocked it out of the park bro.


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