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Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew
#26342571 - 11/24/19 02:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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My preferred way of ingestion is a double brewed tea prepared from dried shrooms.
For the first brew I break up the fat stems, add sugar or honey, a tea bag and squeeze in fresh lemon or orange juice into a pot. I then add under a cup of boiling water, allow the brew to steep for 10-15 minutes and strain the liquid. I then add more honey, juice, another cup of water and simmer the tea covered for half an hour.
If I use the second cup to re-dose it is hard to gauge its strength because I am not at baseline but a couple of times I froze it and it became the first dose of the next session. My general feeling is that the second brew is a bit weaker than the first but still quite potent. Perhaps a 60/40 split of the actives between the brews?
Also, once I was low on shrooms and decided to eat what was left, to make a better use of it. I noticed that the overall strength was marginally more that the same amount double brewed my way but the difference was not huge. The 6g I ate felt like 7-8g brewed.
What is your experience?
Edited by Metoo (11/24/19 02:26 PM)
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Metoo]
#26342595 - 11/24/19 02:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you squeeze the shrooms?when we were young we’d put them in an improvised tea bag made from nylon stockings. That way you can squeeze it all to get the most out
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Shroomerquest]
#26342611 - 11/24/19 02:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I normally just press them with a spoon but not squeeze dry
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Metoo]
#26342704 - 11/24/19 02:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Metoo said:
What is your experience?
I don't brew mushrooms multiple times. IME, I feel the majority of the alkaloids are extracted the first time around and not much remains after brewing. The alkaloids are pretty soluble in water and even more so in acidic water with heat.
I break up/pulverize my mushrooms into small bits...I place those bits in a cup....I squeeze lemon juice into the cup with the mushroom bits and let it soak while I bring some distilled water up to a boil...Once the water is at a boil I pour it into the cup with the mushroom bits/lemon juice...I let that "brew" for 15 to 20 minutes, giving it a stir a few times while brewing...then after 15 to 20 minutes or so I filter off the mushroom bits and give them a real good squeeze...Then my tea is ready.
That's how I go about making my tea, and I have never felt like I wasn't getting the most out of what the mushroom contains after just one brew like that.
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Metoo]
#26342722 - 11/24/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bring the water and shrooms to a boil and simmer for at least ten mins then squeeze to strain
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Shroomerquest]
#26343590 - 11/24/19 11:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Put water in a pot and boil then turn off. Throw a tea bag in for 5 min then remove. Put some lemon juice in and your crushed mushrooms. Boil for 10-15min and strain. Then add sugar or honey or whatever. No need to steep it twice, you can boil the fuck out of it once and have potent ass tea.
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: SFS96]
#26343632 - 11/25/19 12:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why do people make this so complicated?
All you need to do is boil broken up magic mushrooms for about 15 minutes.
No need for a tea bag, lemon, or anything.
You can boil it down to a shot and just take it like that.
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: sinnerman]
#26343653 - 11/25/19 12:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroom tea is gay, you don't get as high as eating them.
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: FungiMaster] 1
#26344063 - 11/25/19 07:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bull shit the tea I make comes out stronger than eating the fruits. If you don’t like shrooms tea your not making it right. I definitely recommend making regular tea with tea bags first then boiling the mushrooms in it with a little lemon juice. I can boil a oz in 2-3 cups of tea and make a batch for a whole party. Then I put it in a pitcher, add sugar then fill to 8 cups. This makes 8 cups that has a eighth each. This is good tasting tea also, it’s not going to tast like hell.
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: FungiMaster] 1
#26344753 - 11/25/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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sinnerman said: Why do people make this so complicated?
All you need to do is boil broken up magic mushrooms for about 15 minutes.
No need for a tea bag, lemon, or anything.
You can boil it down to a shot and just take it like that.
I don't consider adding some lemon juice or dropping in a tea bag to be something that's complicated lol.
Adding tea bags of some type of tea can bring in other flavors to help cover up the mushroom taste....Personally, the taste of mushrooms doesn't bother me all that much but sometimes I will add some tea bags that contain ginger, lemon, cinnamon, and rose hips...It tastes delicious and I can't taste the mushrooms at all.
Adding lemon juice makes the alkaloids even more soluble in water and more bio-available.
I don't know why so many of you actually BOIL the mushrooms...If you're boiling mushrooms, especially for as long as 15 minutes, what you're making is more of a mushroom "broth" or a mushroom "soup" rather than a tea....When making a tea the idea isn't to boil or "cook" the mushrooms (and boiling mushrooms will cook them). Boiling/cooking the mushrooms is not necessary, that will likely make for a stronger taste of mushroom (because it's more of a broth/soup than a tea) and possibly more load on the stomach.
I never boil my mushrooms, I just let them steep in hot/acidic water for 15 to 20 minutes and it works just fine.
And I'm sure things still work just fine for those of you who boil your mushrooms when making a tea, but boiling/cooking them like that isn't necessary.
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FungiMaster said: Shroom tea is gay, you don't get as high as eating them.
Nah...Tea always hits much faster and much more intensely than eating them does.
With a tea the actives are in a liquid solution so they go directly into one's system rapidly. When eating mushrooms the stomach has to break down & digest the mushroom material and the actives are delivered/absorbed more slowly.
With tea...I'm full on tripping within 20 to 30 minutes after drinking it. I feel tea start to come on almost immediately after drinking it.
Trips with tea are usually more "compact" in nature. They come on and peak faster/harder than eating them, but the trip also tends to end a bit sooner....but re-dosing with tea is super effective and it's very easy to keep a trip going for a long time by just taking another drink/dose of tea every 120 minutes or so.
I still enjoy eating mushrooms in the classic way from time to time...but more often than not, tea is the way to go. It's also an easy way to hide/conceal "mushrooms" if you're driving/traveling around, a water bottle filled with mushroom tea looks like any other normal tea (and I usually have a lemon-ginger tea bag in it so it totally looks and smells like normal tea).
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Metoo]
#26344884 - 11/25/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Metoo said: My preferred way of ingestion is a double brewed tea prepared from dried shrooms.
For the first brew I break up the fat stems, add sugar or honey, a tea bag and squeeze in fresh lemon or orange juice into a pot. I then add under a cup of boiling water, allow the brew to steep for 10-15 minutes and strain the liquid. I then add more honey, juice, another cup of water and simmer the tea covered for half an hour.
If I use the second cup to re-dose it is hard to gauge its strength because I am not at baseline but a couple of times I froze it and it became the first dose of the next session. My general feeling is that the second brew is a bit weaker than the first but still quite potent. Perhaps a 60/40 split of the actives between the brews?
Also, once I was low on shrooms and decided to eat what was left, to make a better use of it. I noticed that the overall strength was marginally more that the same amount double brewed my way but the difference was not huge. The 6g I ate felt like 7-8g brewed.
What is your experience?
you want a method that will extract all the actives the first go is all - any short rolling boil tea that uses acidic water can do that, and it doesn't have to take 20 minutes to do it. Check this with pics and shit.
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: openmind]
#26345920 - 11/26/19 01:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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sinnerman said: Why do people make this so complicated?
All you need to do is boil broken up magic mushrooms for about 15 minutes.
No need for a tea bag, lemon, or anything.
You can boil it down to a shot and just take it like that.
I don't consider adding some lemon juice or dropping in a tea bag to be something that's complicated lol.
Adding tea bags of some type of tea can bring in other flavors to help cover up the mushroom taste....Personally, the taste of mushrooms doesn't bother me all that much but sometimes I will add some tea bags that contain ginger, lemon, cinnamon, and rose hips...It tastes delicious and I can't taste the mushrooms at all.
Adding lemon juice makes the alkaloids even more soluble in water and more bio-available.
I don't know why so many of you actually BOIL the mushrooms...If you're boiling mushrooms, especially for as long as 15 minutes, what you're making is more of a mushroom "broth" or a mushroom "soup" rather than a tea....When making a tea the idea isn't to boil or "cook" the mushrooms (and boiling mushrooms will cook them). Boiling/cooking the mushrooms is not necessary, that will likely make for a stronger taste of mushroom (because it's more of a broth/soup than a tea) and possibly more load on the stomach.
I never boil my mushrooms, I just let them steep in hot/acidic water for 15 to 20 minutes and it works just fine.
And I'm sure things still work just fine for those of you who boil your mushrooms when making a tea, but boiling/cooking them like that isn't necessary.
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I meant simmer not boil, oops, was high when I wrote that.
The guy was talking about doing 2 brews,
I was just saying that all you need to do is simmer the shrooms for 15 mins and drink the water, no need for anything else.
The lemon doesn't do much I think you're kidding yourself. Why make tea when you can simmer it down to a shot?
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: sinnerman]
#26346897 - 11/26/19 02:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for your comments.
My double brewing method is trying to play it safe. I thought if temperatures close to water boiling point degrade the actives the first brew (steep) makes sense. The second brew (simmer) was meant to extract what was left. Having used this method a few times I once left the second brew in the freezer for a week and it definitely had some potency - less than the first but more than I would be prepared to tip out. Which leads to the observation that my first brew does not extract all the goodness so, by going with a single step process, I would be wasting some actives.
In the spirit of the scientific discovery next time I will simmer the first brew for a minute and leave to steep for 10-15. I will then prepare the second brew same as before and freeze so I can try it at baseline during the next trip. This way I will know if the improved first brew method extracts all the goodness.
Edited by Metoo (11/26/19 02:25 PM)
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Metoo]
#26346989 - 11/26/19 03:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I boil water, add mushrooms, boil for 10 minutes, strain, cool, and drink. It's possible that there are still actives left in the mushrooms after that, but that is plenty strong enough for me already, plus it can be a good amount of liquid already potentially.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if there are not many actives left considering how soluble the actives are in water. But you never know. In chemistry it is standard practice to extract something 3 times, so I wouldn't be surprised if something is left over after the first. But I don't really care to get it given how strong the first extraction is anyway.
Also, good post open mind. I'll have to try steeping my mushrooms instead. I didn't know that would maybe make things easier on the stomach.
Edited by nooneman (11/26/19 03:35 PM)
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Re: Shroom tea - relative strength of the 1st and 2nd brew [Re: Metoo] 1
#26347022 - 11/26/19 03:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Metoo said: I thought if temperatures close to water boiling point degrade the actives
They don't. Not at all.
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