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#26341836 - 11/24/19 07:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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EDIT: bottom of Page has pictures of suspected trich.
I was wondering if anyone sees any knots or any indication that this tub will pin soon? It was spawned on 11th. I really don’t know what I’m looking for so I’d appreciate any help I can get...
Edited by SpunkyMonkey88 (11/27/19 05:50 AM)
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Looks good. Can't tell from the pic, but are there water beads on the surface or is it dry?
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Honestly I keep thinking it’s a bit dry, I don’t think there is any visible water beads. Here’s a close up:
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So do you see any knots?
Everyone keeps telling me I shouldn’t have to mist it until after the first flush..
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I would lightly mist it to get it looking like this:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
Then don't mist it until it evaporates/disappears. I don't see any knots, but once you get the moisture on the surface right, they will come quick. Just don't start misting it too much. Get the water beads on the surface and stop.
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I looked at it with the flash light and it actually does have tiny water beads all over it, but they aren't even noticeable until you shine a light and get your face down there...
I'm seriously concerned my tub isn't getting the proper FAE because I'm a stubborn idiot who cant follow simple directions,
I didnt wanna use the traditional method of 6 X 1.25" holes because I thought air would circulate better if I used more smaller holes.
So I've got about 6" of total holes made by drilling many 3/8" holes and they are covered with micropore tape.. majority of the holes are towards the top as i figured If a unmodified tub can work then the hole placement cant be "that" important.. the standard mono has 7.5" total of holes mines only 1" less and my tub is about half the size of the 60QTs
Can someone who has some experience please tell if I'm alright?
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There are a few areas in the top and middle left that look like that are starting to knot, but currently you have a lot of good looking aerial mycelium, the step right before. If it’s just been opened to fruiting, it’s fine, if it’s been open to fruiting for awhile now, it means it does need a bit more FAE.
Misting and fanning are in part to coax this very behavior. Give it a mist of 4-5 sprays onto the surface and fan it with the lid for 30 seconds or so, then leave it alone. If the aerials aren’t starting to lay down in a day or two, you can repeat and increase the FAE slightly.
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IMO and experience Would lightly mist until she's glistenling and then patience young grasshopper they will be here soon Give her the good ole 12/12 and just wait.
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StygianKnight said: There are a few areas in the top and middle left that look like that are starting to knot, but currently you have a lot of good looking aerial mycelium, the step right before. If it’s just been opened to fruiting, it’s fine, if it’s been open to fruiting for awhile now, it means it does need a bit more FAE.
Misting and fanning are in part to coax this very behavior. Give it a mist of 4-5 sprays onto the surface and fan it with the lid for 30 seconds or so, then leave it alone. If the aerials aren’t starting to lay down in a day or two, you can repeat and increase the FAE slightly.
I originally had all the holes taped up but after doing some reading I decided to introduce FAE around 5 days into it... so around the 16th it was put into "fruiting"
What exactly is the Ariel mycelium? I've looked for some info but am still unsure what your talking about...
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It looks good to me. I think you're going to get some mushrooms before too long. It's not producing in excellent time, excellent time would be mushrooms by now, but you are not outside the range of decent performance..
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: JohnRainy]
#26342665 - 11/24/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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JohnRainy said: It looks good to me. I think you're going to get some mushrooms before too long. It's not producing in excellent time, excellent time would be mushrooms by now, but you are not outside the range of decent performance..
Ya i thought it seemed to be going kinda slow too, hopefully everything still works out tho... .
Just sucks because I dont know what to look for.. no idea what it looks like If it's too dry or too wet, or do its lacking FAE or not... I'm seriously lost with all that stuff.
Im starting to kick myself for not just following pastywhyte's dialed in tub tek to a T ... now I'm worried...
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Here there are a day later. Sorry for being annoying, but are these close ups knots? About 9 Oclock in the first pic


Edited by SpunkyMonkey88 (11/25/19 06:25 AM)
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All of those super bright white little dots/specks are knots in progress. Things should start getting very exciting over the next few days, just keep up your surface conditions 😁
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Myconthrope420 said: All of those super bright white little dots/specks are knots in progress. Things should start getting very exciting over the next few days, just keep up your surface conditions 😁
Finally!

I just cracked the lid about an inch to help get some FAE, as I was advised to increase. I'm just a little worried about it drying out now. Any tips on what to look for, in the case that it is getting too dry?
EDIT: this is the my sub later from the side (no liner) what are all these little white dots? Should I be concerned?
Edited by SpunkyMonkey88 (11/25/19 08:52 AM)
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You need to mist that surface. Especially if you are cracking the lid.
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Myconthrope420 said: All of those super bright white little dots/specks are knots in progress. Things should start getting very exciting over the next few days, just keep up your surface conditions 😁
Finally!

I just cracked the lid about an inch to help get some FAE, as I was advised to increase. I'm just a little worried about it drying out now. Any tips on what to look for, in the case that it is getting too dry?
EDIT: this is the my sub later from the side (no liner) what are all these little white dots? Should I be concerned?

Those are knots. Get ready for side pins galore!
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Yep should be the first pin or two anyday. Hopefully they stick to the surface my last shoeboxes had knots on the sides just like your picture and I got 90% side pins. Your surface looks much better than mine did though. Just one more weekish and you’ll be done! Good luck man.
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Myconthrope420 said: All of those super bright white little dots/specks are knots in progress. Things should start getting very exciting over the next few days, just keep up your surface conditions 😁
Finally!

I just cracked the lid about an inch to help get some FAE, as I was advised to increase. I'm just a little worried about it drying out now. Any tips on what to look for, in the case that it is getting too dry?
EDIT: this is the my sub later from the side (no liner) what are all these little white dots? Should I be concerned?

Those are knots. Get ready for side pins galore!
Great 🙄shoulda just used a liner....
How do I minimize them at this point?
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: Yep should be the first pin or two anyday. Hopefully they stick to the surface my last shoeboxes had knots on the sides just like your picture and I got 90% side pins. Your surface looks much better than mine did though. Just one more weekish and you’ll be done! Good luck man.
Dam that really sucks! Were they still worth harvesting? How was your yeild?
Thanks for the luck man!
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Finally!

I just cracked the lid about an inch to help get some FAE, as I was advised to increase. I'm just a little worried about it drying out now. Any tips on what to look for, in the case that it is getting too dry?
EDIT: this is the my sub later from the side (no liner) what are all these little white dots? Should I be concerned?

Those are knots. Get ready for side pins galore!
Great 🙄shoulda just used a liner....
How do I minimize them at this point?
By doing nothing! They’ll grow into perfectly edible (albeit somewhat misshapen) fruit all by themselves! Gotta love monos...
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If you keep your surface conditions prime then you can still get a good flush up top, that is a sign you are days away from fruits though! Exciting!!!
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: AyePlus]
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053

Dude I cant even tell you how pumped I am! Feel like a little kid again.
That's what I've been following for a reference for misting. I work from home so I can pay close attention to it.
Been checking it 3-4 times a day fanning it once and misting when no beads are present on the surface...hopefully that helps get some decent pins uptop.
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Still flushed decent, my surface was so bad I just dumped the sub out upside down and let it go like a cake. Turned out it was contaminated a bunch of white mold or trich popped up a couple days after harvest.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: Still flushed decent, my surface was so bad I just dumped the sub out upside down and let it go like a cake. Turned out it was contaminated a bunch of white mold or trich popped up a couple days after harvest.

Wow you weren't kidding about 90% side pins..I donr have an extra tub to fruit mine like that tho so hopefully mine has a better surface pinset...
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No need to fan ever, the more its opened the more it will need to be misted. Ideally bulk subs are set n forget, just make them then harvest. Learn what you can from this tub to make your next one better, and so on and on etc.. you’ll be posting canopies in no time.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: AyePlus]
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AyePlus said: No need to fan ever, the more its opened the more it will need to be misted. Ideally bulk subs are set n forget, just make them then harvest. Learn what you can from this tub to make your next one better, and so on and on etc.. you’ll be posting canopies in no time.
Ya I know but I was dumb and didnt follow a proven tub design tek so I was a little worried about it getting enough FAE (and I was told it was suffocating by a TC) with the holes I had drilled so rather than drilling more holes I thought I'd just crack the lid...
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This picture is from today, I marked a spot in my tub that I’m worried about. The mycelium looks really matted. Are these the knots everyone is talking about? Or are they something else?
Could someone who wouldn’t mind taking a few mins to edit my pic, highlight a couple knots for me so I know what to watch out for? Big thanks in advance!
Also about how long after knotting up, do pins usually form?
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Aw man...might be the lighting, but that looks just like trich, just before the green comes in😞
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No way! Wow that is seriously really depressing! Can someone confirm this?
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Can you take a closeup? Flash on, light off
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That just seems weird tho cus I took kernels out of each jar of spawn that I used and put them on agar and they loom great..
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Yup one sec
First one is with a light over the top the other is with flash 
Here's one of the agar dishes with a kernel:

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It’s not trich but I thought the same thing at first the shadows are weird. Those are knots but I think the surface looks really dry. I don’t have a great record with surface conditions so I’d wait for more input.
IME pins turn up like four days after knots. Although my last shoebox sat foreeever knotted up everywhere before pins came. Prob like 7-8 days.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: A.k.a]
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I just got trich bad for the first time and it was super bright white and a big solid patch that popped up way faster than myc can grow. Like it was fine then eight hours later there was four or five square inches of it.
I wish I’d taken a picture. I wasn’t sure exactly what contam it was so I kept it in the garage to see and by the next day the edges were going green so I chucked it far far away.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: It’s not trich but I thought the same thing at first the shadows are weird. Those are knots but I think the surface looks really dry. I don’t have a great record with surface conditions so I’d wait for more input.
IME pins turn up like four days after knots. Although my last shoebox sat foreeever knotted up everywhere before pins came. Prob like 7-8 days.
Hell ya man! I really hope you're right! I put a lot of work into that so hearing that was extremely disheartening, to say the least...
I am worried about the moisture level too, my sub has shrunk about 1/4 inch on all sides...so hopefully someone with some experience will help with that?
Also any other opinions/confirmations about that suspect patch? No offense aka I trust ya but I'd feel better with some more confirmation..
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I dont think its trich either.
Shrinking is normal.
Couple days now
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: I just got trich bad for the first time and it was super bright white and a big solid patch that popped up way faster than myc can grow. Like it was fine then eight hours later there was four or five square inches of it.
I wish I’d taken a picture. I wasn’t sure exactly what contam it was so I kept it in the garage to see and by the next day the edges were going green so I chucked it far far away.
Ya this isn't behaving like that at all. It was always a bit ahead of the rest of the sub and slowly grew to this density over the last 3 days.. not nearly as aggressive as you just described..
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I totally get it I’m just learning myself, I was sort of excited when I saw the contamination patch since I had gotten a decent harvest already and it was my first definite contamination. Haha just one more thing to sit and watch. But now I know what it looks like.
It was impossible to miss at least on mine. It was like somebody spread shaving cream on my sub or something super bright and kind of bubbly looking and a solid patch you couldn’t see the sub at all.
I could see smaller outbreaks being hard to see though until the green kicks in.
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A.k.a said: I totally get it I’m just learning myself, I was sort of excited when I saw the contamination patch since I had gotten a decent harvest already and it was my first definite contamination. Haha just one more thing to sit and watch. But now I know what it looks like.
It was impossible to miss at least on mine. It was like somebody spread shaving cream on my sub or something super bright and kind of bubbly looking and a solid patch you couldn’t see the sub at all.
I could see smaller outbreaks being hard to see though until the green kicks in.
Ya thats too bad you didnt get a picture of it. I think I'd rather learn from others experience when it comes to trich lol.
I've just heard so many stories about whole grow rooms being contaminated with the spores, to the point where each and every tub from there on out doesn't even get a flush in before it goes green..
Are you playing with agar yet?
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Those stories are BS
If your spawn is clean you can fruit it next to one thats covered in green. Mushrooms have an immune system and when theyre healthy they can fight it off. After first flush the vigor is depleted and trich can take hold more easily. But if it happens pre first flush it was the spawn 99% of the time.
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Yup one sec
First one is with a light over the top the other is with flash 
Here's one of the agar dishes with a kernel:

Heh, yeah that’s not trich, but it also looks nothing like that first pic. Lighting is everything. Sorry not sorry for the false alarm. At least now you got that sweet relief....srsly, ma bad mayne.
Knots are all those white dots. If you’re not sure whether it’s a knot or just a white dot, it’s a knot.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: AyePlus]
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If your spawn is clean you can fruit it next to one thats covered in green. Mushrooms have an immune system and when theyre healthy they can fight it off. After first flush the vigor is depleted and trich can take hold more easily. But if it happens pre first flush it was the spawn 99% of the time.
This is good to know! I have two aluminum trays of two different varieties one with my first agar to grain spawn ever and the other with shredded brf cakes, just incase I failed at the grains.
Are you saying even if that grain tray, which is right next to my brf tray in the same tub, tams out, the other brf tray should be fine?
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Yes. It will increase you chances of failure in the future, but shouldnt compromise anything already in fruiting, assuming your spawn was healthy.
Although it is generally a good practice to isolate any contamination you find asap and remove from your growing area, its not the end of the world if you don’t.
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I’ve got all my agar supplies but then I had my shoeboxes go off the rails so I had to turn the tub that was gonna be my SAB into a humidity chamber. I should really just get another one it’s like 8 bucks.
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Ya bro I definitely would just get one if you got the space...that's my problem I only got enough room for a couple tubs and my SAB...
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Yeah I pretty much have unlimited space right now but I’m trying not to turn my house into a fungus factory which is where I’m headed. I just couldn’t find any mushrooms so I figured I’d have to do it myself and try to get s few doses saved....next thing I know I have piles of shoeboxes and amazon packages with random growing/Agar shit coming everyday and I’m spending all day reading about mushroom genetics.
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One of us, one of us, one of us etc etc..
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: Yeah I pretty much have unlimited space right now but I’m trying not to turn my house into a fungus factory which is where I’m headed. I just couldn’t find any mushrooms so I figured I’d have to do it myself and try to get s few doses saved....next thing I know I have piles of shoeboxes and amazon packages with random growing/Agar shit coming everyday and I’m spending all day reading about mushroom genetics.
Ya this hobby is extremely consuming/addictive. If I'm not messing with some mycelium or grains, I'll be thinking about it. My wife's constantly asking me what's wrong because I'm spacing out thinking about how my transfers are taking or about my pins that are on their way...
Its extremely stressful at the same time though. The thought of losing everything is a hard one to overcome.
That's why I'm doing this only very short term. I just want a stockpile to fall back on for whenever i need get my shit upstairs straight.
I've struggle a form Autism and mushrooms have helped me enormously in the past many of the more difficult symptoms, but I've never had a constant supply to be able to medicate on a regular basis or even micro dose. Which if I can get a couple ozs off this round of spawn, I'll be trying.
So this journey is a very personal one for me, in hopes of I'll find some much needed relief from the fungus.
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I’m starting to get a little discouraged here, maybe impatient is a better word. Maybe a good combination of The two...
I haven’t noticed any change in the “knots” on my subs surface and sides, that is if I’m even looking at the right thing. From the pictures I was looking at I thought they would of started to elongate a bit, that thing they do right before they turn to pins.
I am really worried. It’s been 15 days since I spawned this tub.
Sorry for the constant annoying posts, but I’m just so new to this. Once I know what I’m doing I’ll be sure to pay it forward to the next worried mycologist.
I also apologize for the constant changing/expanding thread. I figured it’d be more appropriate then making a bunch of threads about different issues with this same tub. Just let me know if that’s not the case.
Heres the tub as of this morning:
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Dont be worried.
Looks sexy to me. Just alot to colonize there. Its not gonna pin until it colonizes everything.
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Looks sexy to me. Just alot to colonize there. Its not gonna pin until it colonizes everything.
Ok I will try to be patient. At what point should be worried about it being considered to have stalled?
How many more days until I can annoy you guys with another update and picture 🤣?
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I’m worried about the same thing that’s been happening to you, granted I only spawned mine 6 days ago. I’m worried about if my pinning is going to occur, if things are going to work, etc. Right now it’s on day 6 and still colonizing it seems. I already introduced FAE after the first couple of days and have been on a 12/12 light dark cycle since spawning. I’m in the same boat as you, I don’t know what to look for, what’s next, etc. I can only go on what other people tell me which is always “won’t be long now”. One thing I really am concerned with is when do I need to start misting with water? I’ve heard that you shouldn’t have to worry about watering at all during colonization and only until after the first flush. Is this true? How can your tell if your sub is dry or needs watering? That’s what I’m worried about at the moment. How were you able to tell if your substrate needed watering?
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If you do the prep right and keep the tub dialed in then you can get a flush without having to add additional water. You will get better at knowing what is needed.
@SpunkyMonkey I can basically guarantee you that it will not stall. That tub looks good, not super dry. As long as it doesnt get super cold you could go into a coma and wake up to shrooms.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: DNA_Trip]
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DNA_Trip said: I’m worried about the same thing that’s been happening to you, granted I only spawned mine 6 days ago. I’m worried about if my pinning is going to occur, if things are going to work, etc. Right now it’s on day 6 and still colonizing it seems. I already introduced FAE after the first couple of days and have been on a 12/12 light dark cycle since spawning. I’m in the same boat as you, I don’t know what to look for, what’s next, etc. I can only go on what other people tell me which is always “won’t be long now”. One thing I really am concerned with is when do I need to start misting with water? I’ve heard that you shouldn’t have to worry about watering at all during colonization and only until after the first flush. Is this true? How can your tell if your sub is dry or needs watering? That’s what I’m worried about at the moment. How were you able to tell if your substrate needed watering?

Yup, literally exactly where I am. I've got another bigger tub going right now too, that has 2 shoeboxes in it.
I have the same fears though; misting, fae, etc... I didn't worry about misting at all while colonizing and only sprayed a couple times since it has been colonized until there are tiny beads of water on the surface..
The big tub I have going is the exact same age as yours. I'll post a pic of mine in s sec!
In the close up you can see there are water beads where the mycelium is coming through, which I think is a good sign!

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But how do I know for myself when mine needs watering? How do I tell that my substrate is dry and needs to be misted? So you ended up having to after colonization? I thought misting and watering is only needed after the first flush?
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You mist when the top layer of coir turns light-brown. A dry sub will noticeably shrink. You’ll know
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Too wet is bad too. Gotta find the balance.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: DNA_Trip]
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DNA_Trip said: But how do I know for myself when mine needs watering? How do I tell that my substrate is dry and needs to be misted? So you ended up having to after colonization? I thought misting and watering is only needed after the first flush?
I misted mine because I had the lid cracked because I didnt have enough holes drilled and it was obviously dry on top.
If you followed the regular monotub hole size and placement (6× 1.25") holes you should probably be fine, feature until your pins start coming in, I would think.. Unless you're opening it alot or have a fan blowing at it...
I was dumb and sisnt follow instructions on how to design the tub so my fae has been "off" to say the least... and the high FAE from the cracked lid dried mine out on the surface.
Theres a thread dedicated to surface conditions, maybe someone could link you to it...its a great read.
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@SpunkyMonkey I can basically guarantee you that it will not stall. That tub looks good, not super dry. As long as it doesnt get super cold you could go into a coma and wake up to shrooms.
I just saw this post. I agree with you for the most part. That statement is probably true when (big when) your tub is dialed in with not too much or too little fae.
Since I didnt follow protocol with my fae holes, I'm worried it's not dialed in properly.
So going of pastywhyte's tubs, a normal 56-60 qt mono has 7.5" of total air holes. 5" of those are on the bottom (1.25" x2 per side) and 2.5" towards the top..
I've got a total of 2.5" on the bottom and 3" worth on top using a 3/8" drill bit. So not quite as much airflow which is why I had cracked the lid for a few days...
Also I should mention that my tub is only 30qts...so i didnt think it needed the whole 7.5" of air holes...
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Perfect timing for this picture. This is what will happen to the tiny knots next.

You can see there’s the little dots all over which are knots and then those couple in a vertical line near the middle have started swelling up.
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The Mycologist said: If you do the prep right and keep the tub dialed in then you can get a flush without having to add additional water. You will get better at knowing what is needed.
@SpunkyMonkey I can basically guarantee you that it will not stall. That tub looks good, not super dry. As long as it doesnt get super cold you could go into a coma and wake up to shrooms.
I just saw this post. I agree with you for the most part. That statement is probably true when (big when) your tub is dialed in with not too much or too little fae.
Since I didnt follow protocol with my fae holes, I'm worried it's not dialed in properly.
So going of pastywhyte's tubs, a normal 56-60 qt mono has 7.5" of total air holes. 5" of those are on the bottom (1.25" x2 per side) and 2.5" towards the top..
I've got a total of 2.5" on the bottom and 3" worth on top using a 3/8" drill bit. So not quite as much airflow which is why I had cracked the lid for a few days...
Also I should mention that my tub is only 30qts...so i didnt think it needed the whole 7.5" of air holes...
Thoughts?
No matter what tek you follow, your tuba can’t be “dialed in” on the first try. That’s why it’s called dialing them in, as in tweaking the configurations. This is mostly because of varying RH, temperature, altitude, etc.
It takes a few runs to figure out the perfect configuration.
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Re: Am I getting close? [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said: Perfect timing for this picture. This is what will happen to the tiny knots next.

You can see there’s the little dots all over which are knots and then those couple in a vertical line near the middle have started swelling up.
Thank you! I'll be looking out for that. I feel like you have way more of the sub knotting up then I do...I wonder If I'm just knot seeing it hehe
How far into spawning that tub is that pic?
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Well I did an unmodified tub, so my lid is cracked to allow FAE. So again, what things do you notice that tell you your substrate is dry? What signs did you see that led you to start misting? I want to make sure I am doing the correct thing also and to be prepared.
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I think about ten days but everything I’ve done with this strain has been super fast, I just put it into fruiting two days ago.
Yours is taking a long time what kind is it?? I remember when you first posted I had a shoebox a couple days ahead of you and it’ll be ready to harvest tonight or tomorrow morning
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DNA_Trip said: Well I did an unmodified tub, so my lid is cracked to allow FAE. So again, what things do you notice that tell you your substrate is dry? What signs did you see that led you to start misting? I want to make sure I am doing the correct thing also and to be prepared.
If your doing the unmodified tub then you will definitely be good, for sure until your sub is colonized. Once your sub is 100% pay close attention to the surface of the mycelium you want it to have small beads of water (not pooling) all over. Watch for it you'll see it...give it a few pumps from a couple feet away, or a real gentle mist and look at the surface with a flash light and look for the beads of water after each pump..and give it a pump with the mister until you see those beads...then dont do it again until you see those beads have evaporated...
shouldnt be more than once or twice a day max with only a few (2-5) pumps at a time...
Thata what I did anyways
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A.k.a said: I think about ten days but everything I’ve done with this strain has been super fast, I just put it into fruiting two days ago.
Yours is taking a long time what kind is it?? I remember when you first posted I had a shoebox a couple days ahead of you and it’ll be ready to harvest tonight or tomorrow morning
Its PF classic at about 2 qts spawn to 5 qts bulk... ya bro I dont know I think mine is definitely slower to pin then yours...
I also introduced fae and light right from the get go...
Hopefully it's a strain thing and not a result of bacterial spawn...
My jars seemed fine...after the first shake @30% they were 100% in less than a week. When I opened them before spawning them they smelt great!
I even took a kernel out of each jar and put it on agar just to make sure nothing was off and it looked awesome, no indication of contamination on the plate...but u never know I guess...
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You know what I seem to remember reading recently that pf classic sucks in bulk because it was done only on cakes for so long it evolved the strain. Who knows though. I’m super curious now how this turns out.
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#26348371 - 11/27/19 11:38 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see Pins in 10-18 days with 4 qts spawn to 7-8qts sub, usually around 14.
Patience bro bro, patience.
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A.k.a said: You know what I seem to remember reading recently that pf classic sucks in bulk because it was done only on cakes for so long it evolved the strain. Who knows though. I’m super curious now how this turns out.
Ya I heard that too but om calling bs on that on account of a cube is a cube and also I saw a dude on here and his best grow to date was a mono with classic.. forgot what his numbers were but definitely over 100% BE and had a solid fucking canopy.
I hope I'm right though because I'd be super bummed if I put three months into this strain for something that cant even grow...
I'm seriously dying to trip too. I have had it in my head that I'm gonna have a solid AF trip before xmas this year, and I'll be soo disappointed if that doesn't happen.
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A.k.a said: You know what I seem to remember reading recently that pf classic sucks in bulk because it was done only on cakes for so long it evolved the strain. Who knows though. I’m super curious now how this turns out.
Just got home to about 15 tiny sidepins today! Nothing ontop, which kinda sucks but as my first bulk grow in excited to get anything...hopefully I dont have to fruit it like you did with that one shoebox..
Better believe I'll keep you posted!
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Hell yeah man it’s about time. Even if it’s tons of side pins at least it should be a decent amount. When you first posted I put up a pic of my shoebox that was a few days older than yours, here it is now probably harvest in the morning. I think it’s the first one where I got everything close to dialed in.

My stuffs getting out of control I’ve got 11 boxes in various stages of fruiting and 3 pf jars to birth in the morning.
Throw up some pictures of your pins tomorrow!
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A.k.a said: Hell yeah man it’s about time. Even if it’s tons of side pins at least it should be a decent amount. When you first posted I put up a pic of my shoebox that was a few days older than yours, here it is now probably harvest in the morning. I think it’s the first one where I got everything close to dialed in.

My stuffs getting out of control I’ve got 11 boxes in various stages of fruiting and 3 pf jars to birth in the morning.
Throw up some pictures of your pins tomorrow!
Here’s some of those pins, not too impressive but hey I got something..
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Awesome man they look good and I’m sure there’ll be three times as many by tomorrow. Looks like only a few on the side I think it’s safe to say you’ve avoided my side pin fiasco.
What temps has it been during fruiting?? I can’t believe how long it took for your pins, I’m not sure how much cooler temps slow things down but mine get mid 60s at night and so far only Burma seemed to not like it.
Hopefully it’ll be like they say...the slower it grows the more potent.
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A.k.a said: Awesome man they look good and I’m sure there’ll be three times as many by tomorrow. Looks like only a few on the side I think it’s safe to say you’ve avoided my side pin fiasco.
What temps has it been during fruiting?? I can’t believe how long it took for your pins, I’m not sure how much cooler temps slow things down but mine get mid 60s at night and so far only Burma seemed to not like it.
Hopefully it’ll be like they say...the slower it grows the more potent.
Thanks man, at this point I could care less where my pins are as long as I get them and they mature...I'll work harder on perfecting my surface conditions with my next tub, and towards that overhead canopy.
This grow is basically as if I I innoculaated with ms, because I was only 2 transfers into my agar before I used it, so plenty of variety I'm sure..my main concern was eliminating bacteria in my spawn, which I still didnt do 🙄
My temps are in the mid 70's though.. I've got no control over the heat in my building, and it stays pretty warm this time of year so only thing I can do is crack a window which would result in wild temp fluctuations...
And so I shouldnt be worried I only have 10 or so pins on top right now? Maybe 20 on the sides?
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They’ll keep popping up over the next day or two ime. I just now birthed 2 pf cakes that I knocked up five days after my very first round of spawn jars. So dumb how long it takes lol. I’ll have one shoebox that’ll be putting out a fourth flush at the same time these jars put out their first. I think it’s been 36 days since I made the jars. I did only get two inoculation points instead of four so maybe that’s why but still.
At least you’re through the worst part! Now you know you made it it’s just a question of how much. I’m still shocked how fast pins grow. I’ll usually take pictures each morning and sometimes I have to double check I didn’t miss a day...like no way is this the same box as 20 hours ago haha.
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A.k.a said: They’ll keep popping up over the next day or two ime. I just now birthed 2 pf cakes that I knocked up five days after my very first round of spawn jars. So dumb how long it takes lol. I’ll have one shoebox that’ll be putting out a fourth flush at the same time these jars put out their first. I think it’s been 36 days since I made the jars. I did only get two inoculation points instead of four so maybe that’s why but still.
At least you’re through the worst part! Now you know you made it it’s just a question of how much. I’m still shocked how fast pins grow. I’ll usually take pictures each morning and sometimes I have to double check I didn’t miss a day...like no way is this the same box as 20 hours ago haha.
I did the same thing when I just decided to try grains ... I’ve heard so many stories about how people getting bad spawn and everything so I decided to make 24 brf jars and nock them up just Incase I failed my grains... now I got a bunch of jars that I dunno what to do with 
I shredded half of them to bulk in a shoebox (aluminum roasting tray) and half of them have been sitting there colonized for a couple weeks.
Have you ever shredded them to bulk before? What is your typical yield per cake ?
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