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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26340729 - 11/23/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm speaking of growing the hay and grain for animals.  Animals consume a lot of grain and hay.  Most farmers grow their own animals feed.

I could raise chickens here but I'm not thrilled about cleaning those.  Plus neighbors could complain but I believe it's legal to have a few chickens and a goat.

There was some coyote for awhile.  That'd be an issue with chickens or goat.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26340736 - 11/23/19 05:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I see. Here in Hawaii there's so much growth people more or less let their animals run loose on their property and don't even need to feed them. For the most part at least. I see some people give their animals extra food, but more to be nice then out of necessity it seems.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26340745 - 11/23/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't really enjoy grass fed meat.  I'd hate to eat a goat just grass fed.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26340779 - 11/23/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

lolz. that'd be the least of my problems with it; my issue would be morally just feeling bad about slaughtering my own animal; as far as eating it, I feel I could make anything taste good with enough butter. XD


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26340784 - 11/23/19 05:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'd go to a slaughtering house and pay money for it to be done.  Not that it's any 'better'.  It's less hands on.

I never learned how to carve one up.  I don't think a lot of hunters around here even do that.  Some do.  I've seen them go to the butcher with grocery bags of badly cut meat.  I'm not sure why, venison jerky or sticks or something.

You want the animal slaughtered right.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26340794 - 11/23/19 05:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose you're right. Though to be honest I'd probably bypass all that and just trade with someone local; produce for meat. lol

though fishing is real popular here and I do imagine I'm going to get into that; and that's going to be hard enough to do; killing poor little fishies and shit. lmao


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26340800 - 11/23/19 05:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Eating fish is no problem for me.  I'd fish a lot in the pacific.  In-fact, having a boat to live on would be great.  If I just could get a dog to piss and shit off the boat or on the deck.


It'd take a pup to teach that to.  They'd get confused on land though.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26340804 - 11/23/19 05:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You ever fish before?


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26340811 - 11/23/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yep.  Lake Erie and some smaller places.

I have a lot of fishing gear actually.  We stock the pond out at the family farm but I haven't been motivated. The bass are getting big so I might have to snag one of those.

The poles are all professional.  Don't even have a release button for the line.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26340830 - 11/23/19 05:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You ever feel bad for killing the fish? I imagine after a while you get numbed out about it, but it's still gotta be a little sad each time; hell I feel bad when I harvest my pot plants. lol


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26340850 - 11/23/19 05:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't feel too bad about goats.  Ate curly sue because she couldn't have good kids.  Sometimes I felt a little responsible.  But fact is the world will probably pressure me to put my dog down some day.

Negative reflection doesn't help much.

Fish only seem to suffer as they are starving for air.  I don't feel much of their suffering, plus Jesus ate fish.  So that makes it ok, right?

Fish seem to be the easiest source of 'meat' and no worries.  I worry more about over fishing and pollution, that the sources won't be available.

I think that red meat is simply very valuable and the market tends to raise a lot of not great meat.  People don't realize how valuable red meat is.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26340967 - 11/23/19 06:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You ever feel bad for killing the fish? I imagine after a while you get numbed out about it, but it's still gotta be a little sad each time; hell I feel bad when I harvest my pot plants. lol




I'm a hunter. Late 20s very non-chad type.

I enjoy the thrill of the hunt. I will eat hunted meat over grocery store meat every single time possible.

I reckon people who eat meat but dont have the stomach for killing their meat should stop eating meat.

If that makes any sense.



I can tell you this. After many many deer killed... everytime I kill one there is a good 5 minutes of "something big just happened here". It is never a non-nonchalant kill for a well-adjusted human being. I know I did something wrong but I have to overcome that emotional reaction and think about it logically. I'm going to survive off that 80 pounds of venison for a long time. 3 deer easily last my family a full year. And I give out a lot as well.



I started hunting out of economic strife and looked at it from the optimist perspective. "i get free meat and it even tastes better than beef!" I would say. It was true too.


At some point I reckon you need to put that sin of the kill on your soul if youre going to be a meat eater.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26341042 - 11/23/19 07:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

word up; time will tell if I get to where you are in that regard


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26341044 - 11/23/19 07:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Capital gains is a bit tricky... Make it progressive and linked to income and investment dries up or leaves for more favorable climates.



That's like saying make income tax progressive and work will dry up.

Capital gains only taxes gains.  Anyone would rather take a gain taxed at 50% than no gain at all taxed at 0%.

Example:
$1,000,000 gained taxed at 50% = $500,000 pocketed
$0 gained taxed at 0% = $0 pocketed.

Would you rather have $500,000 or $0?




Yeah exactly. It makes no sense that people will stop investing if they have to pay 30% tax as opposed to 15.

Why do you pay more tax when you work for a living than sit by the pool for one?


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: koods] * 1
    #26341162 - 11/23/19 08:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26341682 - 11/24/19 05:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Okay ribbit, if I am an investor facing a doubling of the capital gains tax I will switch my investments to a foreign entity registered in a country that does not have this tax structure. Or I will switch to real estate investments that yield ordinary income and significant tax credits and deductions. 

As I mentioned above wife and I are high earners in prime earning years of our life, if we get a president Warren or Sanders she will stop working and we will buy rental properties which she will manage. Our tax burden will go down.

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  Most farmers grow their own animals feed.





I see farms are something you know as little about as you know about taxes. The blue seal silos in my agricultural hometown aren't there next to the railroad tracks because most farmers grow their own feed.

You also don't bring your livestock to slaughter unless you're bringing it to auction. If you have a small heard which you are selectively culling you bring in a mobile slaughter house.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
    #26341838 - 11/24/19 07:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You don't know what you are talking about sugar bear.

So your town has some silos.  Big whoopie.  That's for farmers that sell grain.

Damn you are dense.

A farmer cannot afford to buy hundreds or thousands of tons of feed nor hay.  Farming is a touch and go operation, that is highly market sensitive.

Now in Texas they do have to import some hay.  Because it's too dry down there.  So yep farmers up here make a bundle shipping hay down south.

Small bales of hay cost $3 to $8 and sometimes more on a bad season.  Those aren't even close to big bales.  Big bales are up to 1,000 pounds.  That's just hay, grain is also very very expensive.

Ever see how much a cow eats?  You'd not stay in biz buying hay and grain.  Market price isn't that high for an animal.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 2
    #26341876 - 11/24/19 08:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Cool story, bro.
I'm not sure why you think anyone gives a shit about whether or not your wife works.  Go ahead a quit when Bernie wins.  If all the sour grapes losers quit,  someone else will take their places.  The old "if you elect someone decent, rich people will blow up the economy" ruse isn't going to work this time, pal.  Rich folk will leave the country?  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.  Investment capital will dry up?  That cash is getting used for buybacks anyway. 

Go ahead, seek your rents while you still can.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 2
    #26342076 - 11/24/19 10:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Okay ribbit, if I am an investor facing a doubling of the capital gains tax I will switch my investments to a foreign entity registered in a country that does not have this tax structure. Or I will switch to real estate investments that yield ordinary income and significant tax credits and deductions. 





So, are you going to do the criminal tax evasion bit, are you going to leave the US and renounce your citizenship, or are you going to willfully neuter your own income potential because you wanna take your ball and go home?

Because those are the three things you just proposed.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26342240 - 11/24/19 11:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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