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Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) 4
#26340867 - 11/23/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, I found some jars a while back while cleaning. Wasn't really in a place where I could bust them open back then, but I am now!
I don't know how old these jars are, but they are somewhere between three and five years old. 10 jars remaining unopened, one I cracked, not sure where #12 went. Oh well.
So, first off, I harvested ~75g wet. I didn't bother with anything less than a cm across, but that might have boosted my harvest quite a bit. Second, these things are potent. I dried them over a week, and I'm used to sclerotia being half as strong as regular mushrooms (when dry), with 4g being a pretty baseline trip. That was a miscalculation. 4g sent me to Pluto, I've been playing with shapes and colors while giggling like a madman in a blank white room for six hours.
Next, the non-sclerotia crap in the jars, the mycelium and the remains of what I believe was WBS, I dumped into a bucket and mixed with compost, just because it was on hand. Didn't really think much of it, expected nothing to happen. And for a while, nothing did. First three days, nada. After a week, however, the mycelium is starting to colonize the compost! Slowly, yes, but definitely happening.
So, my final verdict: Sclerotia are the best. I literally forgot about these jars for almost half a decade, where they were kicking around in a box at the back of the closet under a pile of old clothing. Somehow, they survived several moves, they probably spent some time in heat/cold that I don't know of, and they definitely haven't seen fresh air or sunlight for most of that time. And they still work.
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Kryptos]
#26340974 - 11/23/19 06:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weird
-------------------- "in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur" In filth it will be found in dung it will be found
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Morel Guy]
#26341024 - 11/23/19 07:07 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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thats awesome. thanks for reporting
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Kryptos
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Psilosopherr]
#26341367 - 11/23/19 10:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25808398#25808398
I posted about these earlier, but couldn't crack them back then. Timeline is probably closer to 3-4 years.
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Kryptos]
#26520966 - 03/06/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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So, here's probably the final update for this particular jar:
I had dumped the jar into a bunch of compost, basically a bulk spawn. I made two more harvests total--the first was about 80g wet, the second was 38.2. This is sclerotia harvests, which I combed through the compost with my hands. There was minimal fruiting, and the few dozen fruits that did pop up were all extremely thin, 3-4 inch mushrooms. That's what I get for grabbing the first bucket I see instead of making a proper fruiting chamber.
At this point, I had realized I had a different problem with my compost: It was good compost. There was shit growing in there, and not just flora. During the second harvest, I also pulled out a two inch earthworm that was definitely not there before. Along with all the other fauna that had spawned from the compost, which included a few millipedes and what I thought were mushroom flies, I decided to toss the bucket out after I pulled the stones. Stones look good, and entirely unmunched. When I did munch them...I swear they kicked even harder than the first harvest.
That brings the total to something a bit shy of 200g in wet stones? Probably not great for a bulk spawned quart jar. But on the other hand, multiple year old jars of sclerotia are still good!
One thing I noticed, one of my sclerotia had an acorn cap attached to it, and an acorn hull embedded in the other side. Maybe acorns are a good choice of substrate?
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Kryptos]
#26521132 - 03/06/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very cool! THanks for sharing.
It makes sense, Sclerotia are designed for long term survival.
I have found they are very hardy and dont contam easy, they also keep for a VERY long time in the fridge vac sealed.
Sclerotia are fuckin awesome , Iv had some in the fridge for almost a year and they are basically the same as the day i harvested.
I will most likely toss a peice of one on a petri and restart some more. I just have way to many to deal with lol.
Mush on!
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Kryptos]
#26522247 - 03/07/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I need to get into sclerotia. 3-5 years in a jar is crazy, but it makes sense that the stones and mycelium would survive for so long as that's the sclerotia's function
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Magic Mushpoon]
#26522676 - 03/07/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow thats pretty epic, thanks for sharing!
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Infinity-25] 4
#27506753 - 10/16/21 02:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, time for a necro, and an update!
Got 10 jars. I'll be honest, they look like shit.

So I cracked this one. 9 more jars left for the future. Smells like mycelium, but kinda musty. Which, I guess, is to be expected from something that's spent 6 years in the back of a closet. No mold, no bacteria, just good old-fashioned mushroom smell. Emphasis on the old.
Anyway, pulling them apart, they just kinda look nasty.

Those black spots are stones.

The mycelium looks like mycelium, but old.
They're kinda rubbery, and it's hard to tell the stones from the grains/mycelium. The stones all formed near the bottom of the jar, and the top wasn't as densely colonized. Those still have more or less identifiable grains, but the bottom is one soft mass of sclerotia, mycelium, and WBS.

I decided to eat this guy. 4g. Will update this evening, assuming I'm not dead.
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Kryptos]
#27506791 - 10/16/21 02:47 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wait wait wait.....you still have these jars?
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Hobotechnology]
#27506794 - 10/16/21 02:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also thanks for the update! 10/10 would share a cranberry juice with you!
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Hobotechnology]
#27506845 - 10/16/21 03:28 PM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crazy they lasted so long! The ultimate neglect tek/sit and forget! Pretty cool that they held their potency, too. Were you purposefully trying to grow stones or was this just one of those forgotten experiments that turned out to be a nice surprise?
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: EnronCheshire] 2
#27507338 - 10/17/21 12:00 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update: 'tis not amazing, TBH. That being said, I think my dosage was off. Last year, 4g dry sent me to the moon, and I did 4g wet, followed by another 11g wet half an hour later. I mean, they were trippy, but not exactly a moon shot.
I did err on the side of caution.
Of course, I can't say I dosed straight sclerotia. It was probably half grain/mycelium. I'm gonna dry a few and see if I can clean them up, and I'm gonna make some mushroom tea with the rest. And try again next weekend.
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EnronCheshire said: Crazy they lasted so long! The ultimate neglect tek/sit and forget! Pretty cool that they held their potency, too. Were you purposefully trying to grow stones or was this just one of those forgotten experiments that turned out to be a nice surprise?
I was purposefully trying to grow stones because at the time I was not in a position to have a SGFC. I had significant success with growing stones in a reasonable (months) timeframe, which was of course slower than SGFC. It was meant to be not exactly a neglect tek, but definitely a stealth/set and forget grow. I made 12 jars at a time, and forgot about a set. Then found them years later. Since then, I've intentionally left them to see what would happen over time. I figure 9 more jars, 9 more years, and I wish I took better notes on inoculation date. Either way, good experiment.
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Kryptos]
#27518687 - 10/26/21 10:50 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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crazy! I wonder if they are mega potent
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Re: Sclerotia are the best! (3-5 year old jar still kicking!) [Re: Kryptos]
#27518738 - 10/26/21 11:33 AM (2 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: At this point, I had realized I had a different problem with my compost: It was good compost. There was shit growing in there, and not just flora. During the second harvest, I also pulled out a two inch earthworm that was definitely not there before. Along with all the other fauna that had spawned from the compost, which included a few millipedes and what I thought were mushroom flies, I decided to toss the bucket out after I pulled the stones. Stones look good, and entirely unmunched. When I did munch them...I swear they kicked even harder than the first harvest.
You should've kept it. Millipedes, flies and worms are good things when you're dealing with compost. You even said yourself they were more potent, your potency test has proven that all those critters somehow increased the psilocybin content of your stones.
I'd recommend you spawn the jar with the most metabolites to some of this same compost outside. Now is not the fruiting time for Tamps but with these jars being as old as they are there's a potential to get these mushrooms established long-term in these buckets.
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