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America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious * 1
    #26333295 - 11/20/19 11:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You cannot keep a man in a cage. But if he does not see the cage.....




You are a SLAVE to your employer. You are treated like dogshit. QUICKLY do this. DONT talk back. DONT make friends. DONT be social. DEAL with pay cuts. DEAL with hour cuts. DEAL with outside management hiring.

You are a SLAVE to your health. DEAL with 300 a week insurance.

You are a SLAVE to your education. DEAL with 200k student loan debt.


The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.

Healthcare is FREE in most places. Wages are HIGHER. Companies are NICER to you. Boss's are friendly.

You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.




I was working 3 jobs. 2 at minimum wage and one at 10 dollars an hour. All 3 jobs were primarily fri sat and sun work. So even with 3 jobs I wasn't getting full time. And EACH employer was getting more and more pissed at my lack of availability. Eventually I was fired from one company for missing too many days work. And then I had to choose the minimum wage job and quit the 10 dollar an hour job because I could get more total hours. (Can you EVEN IMAGINE that choice)

I had a health issue with one of my testicles. Insurance at the time was 300 a week (pre obama). And I was making about that a week so obviously I couldn't get it. I was eating rice and franks hot sauce and living paycheck to paycheck. I had this issue for a good 5 years. Obamacare came around and lo' and behold health insurance still not affordable. Something like 170 a week as I recall? And it would only cover like 60 percent? I dont remember but the math ended up being unaffordable.

Finally after being bent over in pain and unable to tolerate it anymore.... I went to a hospital crying. Knowing exactly what was going to happen. I was going to get a huge bill. I was going to be unable to work for a few weeks. I was going to AT BEST be unable to afford everything and live in car. At worst I'd lose my job and live in the car.

I lost the testicle. Could have been easily fixed had I went in earlier. The total cost of surgery was astronomical. I havent paid a single penny cuz FUCK america. I was on medications and couch for a week. I went back to work after 5-7 days still very much so on medications. My coworkers jockying for position to get my hours off of me started mocking me to my boss as lazy for not doing the hard work. Boss was believing it and giving me ultimatums. Ended up trying to work while high as fuck and caused an accident that cost the company 10 grand. My boss fired me on the spot.

Afterwards started buying and selling anything I could. Found another minimum wage job a few months later (SHOCKER fri sat and sun only work at part time). Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.

I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.

People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.

As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.


And I KNOW exactly what naysayers are thinking. But but but!!!! COST OF LIVING!!!! Well you can tell that to my fucking bank account. Whats expensive are things that kill you. Cigarettes, booze, chips, fried crap. You can still get a kilo of carrots for 2 bucks. Chicken wings 6 dollars per kilo. Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.


It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.


There is only ONE benefit america has over australia. (Two if you include the bbq / mexican food) And that is opening a business. It is much easier to open a business in american than aus. I will concede that point. But for a worker. For the vast majority of people. Get out of your cage.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten] * 1
    #26333304 - 11/20/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Australia lives under capitalism too my friend. Y’all just have nicer cages (except the abos).


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26333305 - 11/20/19 11:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Internet is about half the cost in every other developed nation, than here in America.

America is a corporation.  They take all they know they can take.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26333373 - 11/20/19 11:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Australia lives under capitalism too my friend. Y’all just have nicer cages (except the abos).




*struts around in fancier cage*


Like the allegory of a cave amiright?


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26333401 - 11/20/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’m happy you’re doing better but you seem to have some anger issues @oldname

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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26333402 - 11/20/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Australians, on the whole, are definitely better off than Americans, that's for sure.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26334001 - 11/20/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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There is only ONE benefit america has over australia



 
  It’s also not an island that is mostly desert .


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26334013 - 11/20/19 05:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
Australia lives under capitalism too my friend. Y’all just have nicer cages (except the abos).




*struts around in fancier cage*


Like the allegory of a cave amiright?




Pretty much :yesnod:


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #26337027 - 11/21/19 09:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

America has some pretty severe social problems alright.  What do they say?  550,000 homeless?    Something like 30% of the population has inadequate or no health insurance, the hopeless ghettoes, inadequate schools for the kids in poor neighbourhoods even, etc. 

If you are in some of these high poverty classes, you might as well live in Bangladesh or something, by the sounds of it.

That level of poverty is unheard of in most of the developed world.  America even had the distinction of allowing hookworm to re-emerge, due to lack of public sanitation.  Haven't a couple bridges even collapsed there?  Now that's inadequate public investment!

But the richest man in the world, worth $150,000,000,000, the company he owns didn't pay any tax.  There are trillions hidden offshore in tax avoidance schemes, and the president handed even more money to the wealthy recently via tax cuts. 

Contradictions are starting to become undeniable.  The ruling class is only out for themselves and have an inadequate sense of responsibility, it should be clear they need to be taken down a few pegs till they no longer rule, as their rule is contemptible.  I hope we see change there.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26337367 - 11/22/19 02:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

America was almost always designed for the rich since it's inception.  Only after the great depression did they attempt to appear to provide for the average citizen.

Now it's becoming more suitable for govt heros by govt heros.  Only if you are police, fire or military are you 'worthy'.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26337565 - 11/22/19 07:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Now it's becoming more suitable for govt heros by govt heros.  Only if you are police, fire or military are you 'worthy'.




Only if you die in the line of duty, or kill the "enemy".

If you do your duty, and do so honorably without dying in the process, then you're no better. See: homeless veterans.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Kryptos]
    #26337662 - 11/22/19 08:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Depends on the source.  Media does a lot to protray a proactive improvement.

Lot's of homeless vets also have dishonorable discharges.  So Society scuffs at that as it is like a felony.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26338706 - 11/22/19 06:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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There is only ONE benefit america has over australia.




LSD is easier to find.

The public health system works ok here and especially if you're prepared to chip in with extra dollars to get things done quicker.
For example if you need a minor operation, pay upfront for the surgeon/bed etc then recover a % of the costs via Medicare, things happen as they should, without the waiting.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26338717 - 11/22/19 06:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You can buy your way to the front of the line in Australia's health system?


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26339322 - 11/22/19 11:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Well I've not thought of it like that.

Scroll down to surgery

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If you’re a public patient in a public hospital, it won’t cost you anything.

You may have costs if you’re a private patient in either a public or a private hospital. You need to pay the difference between what we cover and what your surgery costs.

Ask for a quote from your specialist before surgery. Your private health insurance may cover the costs. Talk to your insurer before surgery to make sure you know what they cover.




That's what I've done last 2 of 3 hernia ops, spoke to the surgeon, got a price, had the procedure 2 weeks later as a 'private patient in a public hospital'.

I have never had private health care as I think the compulsory Medicare levy + contributing when needed is a gamble that has so far paid off.

Private health care here is a rip-off and always has been  :thumbdown:  a lot of money for a nice room, and most times they won't pay the full price demanded by snooty Drs with big names anyway.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26339365 - 11/22/19 11:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Are people who cannot pay getting substandard care because of this?  What if you couldn't pay the money, how long would you have had to wait?

Ask the surgeon for a quote?  That sounds so completely fucked up.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26339374 - 11/23/19 12:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Are they getting sub standard care?  People are waiting for procedures yes, but if it's an emergency you get a bed no problem.

How long the wait?  It can get ridiculous, years sometimes, depending on the procedure. I've heard some sad stories regarding knee ops.

Asking for a "quote" Yes I agree :lol: bizarre even, but when you think about it the surgeons do these ops day in day out and can probably give a closer price than a mechanic looking at a car.

Procedure + Anaethetist + hospital bed = cha ching


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26339454 - 11/23/19 03:43 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah its like stable said. Non-emergency you can wait a while. If its something that can get worse youll wait less and if its something thats an emergency you'll get the treatment right away.

And with private you get in pretty quick regardless. (if not instantly? not sure I dont F with private)

But its extremely cheap. Aussies dont realize how little they pay for private. I want to say its in the 50 a week territory? And thats with a 20 dollar minimum wage average.

You want to talk about corporate welfare the private insurance companies here fuckin get bathed in glory. They find any way possible to charge through government funding to avoid paying out. Evil little bastards but hey capitalism is always gonna find its niche.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Oldnameforgotten]
    #26340354 - 11/23/19 01:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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The ONLY reason you dont think you're in a shit situation.... is because youve never given it an honest go elsewhere.

You cannot ever understand what I am saying. And you will never leave. It is SO frustrating.

Finally got tired of it sold everything I had bought a plane ticket and passport and visa. And flew to australia. I was homeless 1 week prior to leaving and 3 weeks after arriving.

I didnt have a penny to my name. 2 weeks in I got a job working full time making 60k a year. I'm 2 years in and I'm making 180k a year. All while working not even a quarter as hard as I was in america. And if I lost my job tomorrow I'd find another 60k a year position in a week.

People are smarter. People are happier. More relaxed. Higher wages. Free healthcare. Healthier food. More emphasis on the individual at every level.

As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally in emails or call instead of text or just my general intensity that I work at. You know what it is? Its the work ethics of a SLAVE once they become FREE. Even 10 percent of my customer service skills are better than other workers here.

Housing is only expensive if you live near a big city (just like america duh). You can get a decent 3 bedroom for 300k with an hour drive to city.

It is an absolute NO BRAINER. The problem is.... i have to debate with people who have never left. And if they have left it was for a short vacation.






Hey mate :super:  your story is quite interesting, well done for rolling the dice and winning, nice.

Good idea with your post, to get a U.S. view on the things you mentioned.

One thing that I always find interesting is

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As an american I am often looked at as weird when I speak professionally





I think Australians could lift their language skills, seriously :lol:
No need to be alarmed, they're probably surprised with suddenly hearing words being pronounced correctly, and most likely the use of manners.

It could be worse though, and if you've had the misfortune to converse with a Noo Zilander(if you live near Bondi or the Gold Coast you're fucked) you'll understand.

Just kidding, sort of.


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Re: America is a HEAPING PILE and its citizens are oblivious [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26340492 - 11/23/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm curious what the racial tension between whites/muslims/aborigines is like down under? the tension up here in Hawaii is kinda shit; use to be more out in the open a decade ago; now you just get the vibes and the stink eye without the racial remarks; ime over the past couple years at least.


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