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    #26340453 - 11/23/19 02:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm looking to get into the career of audio engineering/sound design; specifically for video games. plugin development and, possibly live sound/visual and event production too. Diversity is what I'm looking for here.

I have somewhat of a background in computer science/software development. Specifically I'm looking to learn more about signal processing and the technical aspects of puredata, max/msp, jitter, rtcmix, csound, wWise etc...

I've been on the fence for the past 10 years as to whether I should attend school or not for this, as it's so expensive and I'm  not sure if a degree would even make a difference in this field. And I figured there wasn't really many opportunities in this field. So I pursued web development instead.

The university of rochester does seem to have a pretty solid program though, and offers pretty much everything I'm looking for. Including all the computer science and c++/ software development courses and all the computer programs I wanna learn too. But I've read mixed reviews as to whether or not a $65k investment for a piece of paper that says you know how to use protools is pretty pointless.

I'm just wondering if there's anyone here with legit experience in this industry, if you could possibly point me in the right direction as to where to get started . Is a degree really worth it for this field? Or does it not matter. How realistic is pursuing a position in this industry, degree or not?

Any thoughts or perspectives are appreciated


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: Envix] * 1
    #26340548 - 11/23/19 03:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I only know so much programming but I know the principals of audio engineering from a synthesis standpoint and from mixing. If you know coding then maybe you should learn the sound aspects. C-Sound is a project from MIT that is interesting. Open development is available on Linux with Ardour and now a host of others. Can't believe it but Reaper even is available for Linux now.

I was a previous music major prior to business and took performance and audio engineering. One class was using Kyma to make a song, another was synthesis, others were singing, piano, theory.

I recently saw a job posting for an audio engineer and they wanted C++. So C-Sound would be a worthwhile investment of time and research I believe. I think to get the job you'd need to be proficient in C and have some time with toolsets. Seems like you've done the research. Only problem is not that many jobs exist for audio.

Personally I'm somewhat interested in learning more about programming. So I might take some classes at the community college for it. But I already know systems and desktops, networking, security pretty well. It's just I'm somewhat bored and think contributing to open source would be nice.

Like if you learned C you could start a business making audio plugins. Or if you knew C you could code on Linux projects so other systems. At the local community college they have classes for C and Java. I have a book on C and read some of the fundamentals to the language (memory management) and etc.

I mostly have coded with Python and learned some Perl, used Visual Basic to make system scripts. So I was thinking of a Masters Degree, but don't think my major of business would be the right choice. I took some classes for Linux and CCNA from Cisco and did well, mostly A's. So I was thinking of eventually getting a masters in computer science.

Yah when I was a kid back at 10 years old or so I was using hacking tools do have fun and they were free. So naturally I want to learn more programming to hack primarily. One of my primary interests is Security. But at the same time I see coding jobs and they like my background, I just need to learn to code more and then I'm set.

One of my sisters is just finishing up with a code bootcamp that is pretty extensive, 4 months and $15,000. Which I guess isn't too bad because I saw some system / networking internship here and it was $40,000 that had to be paid back. She's learning C Sharp. Which I guess is pure Microsoft domain.

I learned a lot in college and it looks good on the resume. But you can goto local community colleges for cheap and the credits transfer over to the college. Like I had so many community college classes that for my undergraduate degree they gave me two degrees.

The thing about money is that you can live cheap and make bucco bucks and save the money.


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: Envix] * 3
    #26340631 - 11/23/19 04:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I know this doesn't relate exactly to what you are interested in, but it's an interesting anecdote that may apply...

I studied sound engineering more than 20 years ago now and worked in the field for more than 10. I produced sound for radio, movies, tv and bands as well as producing my own music on the side as well.

The one thing I found is I rarely got a job from anywhere but who I knew. Fortunately I worked for one of my lecturers in college who ran a studio and I already had real world experience and connects before I graduated. I'd say 95% of people who did my qualification never saw the inside of a studio.

Here's the thing with music and sound design. You gotta love it more than anything in the world, be compulsively obsessed with making and recording sound or you are never gonna make the grade. The people you'll be competing against for jobs are like this. You need to be proficient at playing piano/keyboard at least but knowing a second instrument will be helpful too. You will need 1000s of hours experience before the sounds you make are anywhere near the quality required for the media industry. Sound is more than just a job, it's a way of life.

If you already spend almost all of your time in a home studio making sound, and other people besides your friends and family think your sound is good, and an expensive qualification is just a way to get pro coaching on pro equipment with some hard core theory, then the qualification may be right for you. But if you're not that person you should think about who you are and the actual reason you're considering this.

The other caveat is industrial deafness and drug issues. I've never met an old sound engineer who's life wasn't in tatters or they are a bachelor hermit. Loads of money, but the sacrifice is so high. The music will always come first, before friends, before family, before sleep even.

I enjoyed the life. I had a great time, such good times. But when my wife fell pregnant when I was about 30 and things started to spiral out of control I saw the writing on the wall. I looked at my mentors and saw what had happened to their families. A far cry from domestic bliss. So I went back and studied again and moved out of the industry.

Don't let me put you off though man. It's a fantastic career for the right person, you get to do what you love all day and make amazing money. You just need to be sure you are that person first.


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #26340670 - 11/23/19 04:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I forgot to add in my younger years I had a full studio and learned to use Cubase. Later I converted to all digital. It sure helps to be technical to understand mixing but you have to be creative to really make music. But your going for the engineering side of thing. Good luck youngster by your photo's.

Overall I'd say job experience and a strong skill set are key's to getting a technical job. And then you have to hound like a dog to hopefully get the job. But if you learned C and audio coding then you could work on a plugin for a major platform and sell it. Of course resources to sell like http://gearslutz.com or other audio boards. It always looks good on a resume if you start your own business.


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: FungiMaster] * 1
    #26340719 - 11/23/19 04:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for sharing. I actually did attend community college 8 years ago and got my associates for general stusies. I studied digital animation/graphic design as well as some computer science and they even offered an audio production course as a part of the radio/TV broadcasting program.

The thing is they  didn't offer anything specifically for what I was looking to learn in terms of audio production, as it was part of the broadcasting major. Mainly just using Adobe audition to splice up radio sets and audio books, creating and adding sound fx to film clips. Really basic things like that. I did enjoy doing field recording tho.


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: Envix] * 1
    #26340731 - 11/23/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I have no relationships and am completely content with a career like this consuming my life/ being an audio hermit the rest of my life. Just trying to figure the most productive path and lucrative options in this industry. To me it seemed like the CS aspect of it as it relates to video game development. But I still dont know for sure. Or even where I would start with that.

I'm taking some online courses to learn the basics for video game development, DSP and plugin development.. but I'm sure one doesn't just walk into a gaming studio or whatever with a portfolio full of projects or a degree and get a job just like that.

I definitely have the obsession for sound. But the main reason ive avoided pursuing it is because I feel like I'd be wasting my time that could be better used learning something that would actually make me money.

maybe I should just let the dream be a dream and study cybersecurity or something useful. Or just keep doing web development


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: Envix] * 1
    #26340772 - 11/23/19 05:17 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yah but cyber security is difficult, kinda like networking is difficult to find jobs in. If you learn more about coding, cheers. Plenty of jobs exist for it.


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: FungiMaster]
    #26340785 - 11/23/19 05:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Cybersecurity is difficult to find jobs in? Or you mean just difficult to learn

Yea I'm  pretty sure coding will always be a part of my life. Just would be neat to be able to utilize it in the ways I'd  like to


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: Envix]
    #26340818 - 11/23/19 05:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If you want to get serious about audio design, I would move to a large city. Theres where the audio studios seems to be.


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Re: Any audio engineers/sound designers here? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26340973 - 11/23/19 06:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Well I've read a bunch of security books and experienced IT security at a young age. I'm considering getting a security certification but they do cost money. I've used security tools and distro's from Linux in environments and test labs. I guess it's more then just a hobbie.

As a kid I successfully fished accounts and got cc#'s, packaged viruses in software and much more. Later I learned CCNA materials. And I had a buddy with a CISSP so he showed me how to hack a WEP password with aircrack. Which is pretty fun to hack someones wifi password. Some security stuff is rather simple but personally I've yet to hack a bank or something like that but want to try it.


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