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Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars
    #26339036 - 11/22/19 08:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

My PF jars have been colonizing very slowly recently, one looks stalled. I am thinking it is because dry verm is sticking to the micropore tape through the gas exchange holes in the lid. I think putting 2 pieces of micropore tape, one on the inside and one on the outside would fix this issue. How big do you make your gas exchange holes and how many do you drill in each lid?


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26339045 - 11/22/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

when i do pf tek i poke 4 holes in the lid with a nail and i leave them uncovered.. The dry verm layer acts as a filter to keep out contams... This last pf grow tho i used lids with sfd's and injection ports with no verm layer and it worked fine but yea...dry verm layer no mp tape over holes 👍
O yea, i make the holes just big enough for the needle tip to slide through


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: Beerusthedestroyer]
    #26339053 - 11/22/19 08:39 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Regular mouth jars and pints tend to stall.


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: cronicr]
    #26339057 - 11/22/19 08:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

tape isnt causing the stalling. although if you follow the tek you dont use tape because the dry verm layer is the 'filter'


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: cronicr]
    #26339061 - 11/22/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

First off, nice APE's. Thanks for your advice. So if I want to use some other method of filter than dry verm I should leave out the dry verm entirely?
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Regular mouth jars and pints tend to stall.



Yeah I've been using regular mouth half pint jars. I just got some wide mouth half pints the other day. I cooked them in the PC and half of them became clumped up and filled with water while cooking. Well only the ones i did with no micropore tape on the holes.


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: mushboy]
    #26339066 - 11/22/19 08:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Right but lack of gas exchange from the holes being blocked could cause stalling, right? I haven't had trouble with regular half pints till now. They have always colonized slowly though.


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26339068 - 11/22/19 08:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Put something under the trivet to raise them ( I use old small jars)
2 layers of micropore won't impede gas exchange with verm stuck to it


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26339069 - 11/22/19 08:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:justno:
there is no lack of GE. verm sticking to a porous as fuck tape like mp isnt going to stall out myc.

pf jarswill stall because of contamination or because people us tall jars and the material gets compacted and becomes hard to colonize.


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: cronicr]
    #26339071 - 11/22/19 08:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I do that. I think the jars were just short so water boiled into them. I don't have any problems with quart jars. I layer the bottom with jar lids then I put the rack in that came with the pressure cooker.


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: mushboy]
    #26339075 - 11/22/19 08:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

wont the short half pint jars get compacted also?


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: mushboy]
    #26339078 - 11/22/19 08:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Anaerobic conditions caused by tall jars and brf likely slightly over saturated IMO... BULK FTW

No the shorter jars will not have as much swelling due to lower volume of content/ less material under other materials (i.e. more brf=more weight=more compaction at the bottom and center...


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26339079 - 11/22/19 08:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

they can thats why every tek says use wide mouth half pints.

honestly the compacting is just a hunch. it could be some other reason but it makes the most sense imo:shrug:


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: mushboy]
    #26339080 - 11/22/19 08:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Could be a case of WHATTHEFUCKHAPPENEDITIS!!!


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: mushboy]
    #26339090 - 11/22/19 08:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yes gravity draws moisture to the bottom and compacts the substrate making it hard for mycelium to colonize and gases to exchange.
The tel was designed for the jars to be as tall as they are wide or rather not taller than they are wide


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: cronicr]
    #26339094 - 11/22/19 08:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Point being, it's not uncommon, and fits the bill for your situation... My suggestion? If you're going to have to spend more money anyways, get some grain and a PC (if you don't already) and go bulk... Thank me in 3-4 weeks lol


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26339104 - 11/22/19 09:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Why doing pf? That's the first mistake IMHO. :goodluck:


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: Smartattack]
    #26339107 - 11/22/19 09:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

cakes r phun:crankey:


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: Smartattack]
    #26339152 - 11/22/19 09:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm doing bulk and cakes. I have a few clones on their second transfer also but have not put any in grains yet.


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: Caps McGee]
    #26339156 - 11/22/19 09:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I have some clones from my last bulk grow but cakes allow me to grow many varieties in a small space. I want to preserve as many varieties as I can in culture slants.


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Re: Preventing dry verm from sticking to micropore tape in PF jars [Re: ZombiWurm]
    #26339159 - 11/22/19 09:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

especially spawned to bulk. its how i first grew shrooms :awepreciation:



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