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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: 99.99]
#26339195 - 11/22/19 09:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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What if we are always tripping and mushrooms make us sober?...
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: 99.99] 1
#26339202 - 11/22/19 09:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most varieties are like wines. Some people notice the subtle differences, most people just wanna get drunk. PE is like Four Loko. Everyone wants to get fucked up from time to time.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: footpath]
#26339280 - 11/22/19 10:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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PE is like Four Loko.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: spiritlands]
#26339340 - 11/22/19 11:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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spiritlands said: I have a paperclip, exacto, and pitris. What did you have in mind?
Thats how crosses and hybrids have been made for a hundred years. Make the wire into a loop, spread spores thinly on a petri, isolate monokaryotes onto new petris, put dissimilar monokaryotes next to eachother on new petris, when they fuse grow mushrooms. Some crosses are possible without monokaryotic isolates, but monokaryotes allow for wider and more exact crosses. A commercial oyster culture and a commercial shiitake culture wont cross without snake venom, but use monokaryotes and they will. Those arent even the same genus!
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: Auxin]
#26339342 - 11/22/19 11:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Monokaryons of oysters and shiitake will not cross and even if they do with venom they won't make fruits just mycelium.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: cronicr]
#26339397 - 11/23/19 12:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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They made fruiting hybrids in this study: 'Strain improvement of edible fungi with Pleurotus eryngii neohaplonts' They used the term neohaplonts to mean regenerated monokaryons derived from dedikariotization of commercial dikaryotic clonal lines. No snakes were annoyed in the making of that study.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: Auxin] 1
#26339512 - 11/23/19 05:37 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Roadkill who was a mod here believed in differences in effects. He is in the RR videos with Roger. Meanwhile I think Roger was firmly in the cube is a cube camp.
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Roadkill said: Phychotron,
This is has been done. I have been testing people with different strains of Cubensis for over a year now.
I use test subjects (people I know) to test strains out....I use 4 to 6 people. They all pretty much give me the same trip report...all are given 3.5 dry grams of the strain I am testing at the time. I listen to what they have to say they were feeling and experiencing....and compare it to what I felt...and never lead them on to what I was feeling. They are told which mushroom they are taking...and they are not told what I think the trip will be like....or what the others thought the trip was like.
I tested 8 people with the smaller Cambodian strain. One test subject had a very bad trip...and it was due to getting into a fight with his X wife several hours before tripping...he should have never tripped that night...if your in bad space...you just might have a really bad time. The rest all had a great trip...and the same exact visuals and such. Very colorful and visual and a little bit speedy feeling. 
I had 5 people try the Allen strain. They all had the exact same trip. I won't share what they felt...find out for yourself. 
I have 4 people trying out the Burma strain right now. I'm waiting on hearing the test results from these people. I can't try this strain out myself at this time...cause as some of you know I had a mild heart attack a few weeks ago and I won't be able to trip for quite awhile.  I always trip and compare my trips to my test subjects...not this time. But my best friend has been tripping with me since 1974...and I trust his judgement totally. 
Bluemeanie,
I have alot of respect for you too. You have brought this up for along time...and we pretty much see eye to eye on the potency issues. I also agree that what substrate is used...will increase or decrease the potency of the mushroom that you are growing. And I also agree about people testing several strains out and seeing for themselves the differences between different strains of Cubensis.
I have always said grow out the Cambodian and the Gulf Coast and compare them to each other...there is a big difference between these 2 strains!!!! You must wait at least a week to 2 weeks inbetween trips. And take the same amount of mushrooms... 3.5 dry grams is a good number for testing. Write down your findings on paper to compare the experiences. If you had a bad trip....try them again in a few weeks and see if you have a better one...mind set does play a part in trippin....but not in potency and visuals...etc.
Then grow out the Puerto Rican and the Acadian Coast and compare those to each other.
Then grow out the South American and the Keepers Creeper and compare those to each other.
continue til you have tried all the strains several times.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: blackout]
#26339694 - 11/23/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mean it's common to hear, 'whiskey makes me x drunk, vodka make me x drunk,' etc. Sure, you're getting different minute botanical extracts in each distillate, but you're ultimately just getting drunk on alcohol. I assume, so too can be said for minute differences in the levels of compounds from variety to variety - I imagine especially regionally.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: footpath]
#26339745 - 11/23/19 09:39 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who says the differences are minute? Not only are there three different confirmed primary psychoactives in cubensis mushrooms which can vary in concentration, but it has never been established how many adjuvant compounds there are working to alter the effects of the others.
I think part of the confusion/disagreement may just be how people are choosing to look at their trips. I've heard stories numerous times about first timers taking a low 'safety' dose and clearly tripping but insisting they arent high because of no visuals. So what if they are having trouble walking and energetically talking about monkey men on the moon while laughing hysterically at the shape of a leaf. I dont think the perception that all cubes are the same is quite as blatant as that, but in some cases I think its an equivalent phenomena.
It should stand out that half of the most experienced people here see a difference in varieties.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: footpath]
#26339749 - 11/23/19 09:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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So variety really doesnt make MUCH difference, and it's all about origin really. That's cool to know. Tha is for the info, really helps us noobs find our way haha
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: Auxin]
#26339759 - 11/23/19 09:46 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Auxin said: Who says the differences are minute?
It should stand out that half of the most experienced people here see a difference in varieties.
I use 'minute' in consideration of the half who do not see those differences. Because it may indeed not be in such concentrations for them to notice.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: footpath]
#26340768 - 11/23/19 05:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Given that cubes are essentially all so similar as to be functionally the same, what is the level of difference between cubes and pans? Do they feel different? I know they're supposed to be harder to grow and noticeably stronger, but is the trip experience different?
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: Kazoo_bard]
#26341113 - 11/23/19 07:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm curious to know what people think about the difference in effect between cubensis and other psilocybe species like cyanescens and azurescens. I've read they're "stronger" but is there much a difference in the experience? I only have experience with cubes.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: chinaman9]
#26341161 - 11/23/19 08:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's what I can't wait to find out, what is the difference between species and experience? I've got pans and atl7 and several cubes well on their way. I've never had truffles before but I was reading that they only contain Psylocibin which might change the trip. I've not had the pleasure of pans but that is my focus so that will be fun;-}>
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: spiritlands]
#26346756 - 11/26/19 01:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good luck and update us on your finds spirit haha. I'm gonna stick to cubes until I can know I'm not gonna fuck up some special spore print of a rare strain. I'm willing to fuck up b+ all day long lol
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: Kazoo_bard]
#26346898 - 11/26/19 02:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would argue a cube is pretty much a cube potency wise but I can certainly tell you some differences between at least my clone culture of Huautla vs ie my clone culture of RW in terms of general colour or the spirit of the trip. My most potent cube is a mckenna clone. Tripping on them can feel like being drilled by a shaolin master
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: Tweeq]
#26346981 - 11/26/19 03:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The "potency-wise cubes are all the same" adage is widespread but I disagree. Even in a single MS grow you can have 2-3x differences between each fruit body, and I've seen two varieties that consistently, when powdered, had a 3x difference between them in potency - of course when someone tries to sell a variety with slogans about how ultra potent it is, they are usually full of crap. 
Psilocybe Cubensis is at home around the world, and of course this means a lot of genetic variety. So yes there are differences in looks, color, even sometimes in potency. I have the subjective experience of cubes from Asia and America having different "spirits", but without resorting to animistic reasoning, this is probably due to the power of suggestion, like how the blotter art tends to affect your acid trip.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: PsyduckMonkey]
#26347019 - 11/26/19 03:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would agree. Knowing it's from a different type shapes your mental image of it. If I told you I babied and nurtured them in every way before taking them, you will most likely have at least a slightly different trip than if I just go. "eh, i kind of forgot about them and just dried whatever i got. Not too sure how they turned out"
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: Kazoo_bard] 1
#26347083 - 11/26/19 04:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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What exactly is there to suggest when you're simply designating a region? Should I feel twangy banjo swamp when I eat something from Florida? Should I feel tranquil bamboo flute rainforest when I eat something from southeast Asia? Not even the most willy myco vendor out there is telling you, 'alright, with this strain, you're gonna feel like vanilla custard is flowing all over your skin and you'll see dancing polka dots emanating from the teat of fractal cupcakes.'
Obviously your preconceptions are going to alter the experience to an extent. But not the way the composition of the chemicals are going to effect your brain. Yeah, that can, of course, change from each set of pairing spores of a given variety. But I'd seem to believe they have set parameters of their potential composition, especially when given a variety that can very certainly be designated to a region.
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Re: What are the actual differences between varieties? [Re: footpath]
#26347091 - 11/26/19 04:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You eat thai shrooms have bad trip about sex trafficking no fail every time bro... Cus that's like where they're from yo
I feel like if we gave people shrooms double blind all the people that say they know X variety because of its quality of trip would get a guessing average at identifying the variety they got fed
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