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Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional
    #26338632 - 11/22/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26338719 - 11/22/19 06:06 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Pure propaganda, don't fall victim to it.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: qman]
    #26338772 - 11/22/19 06:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Oh that's a relief.  Its just propaganda.

Trump isn't blocking the appointment of new panelists so it can continue to function? 

Or he is but it doesn't matter.  The World Trade Organization has little effect on global trade.

What's the fake news here?


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26339070 - 11/22/19 08:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh that's a relief.  Its just propaganda.

Trump isn't blocking the appointment of new panelists so it can continue to function? 

Or he is but it doesn't matter.  The World Trade Organization has little effect on global trade.

What's the fake news here?



It depends on how you define dysfunctional.

This could impact enforcement of regulations, but it's not going to prevent trade from happening.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26339205 - 11/22/19 09:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I guess it does.  I haven't really heard much about this.

A lot of trade regulations are in place to protect domestic industries.  For example, dumping cheap products will cause local producers to not be able to sell their's and maybe they will go out of business.

America has accused Canada of doing that with softwood.

America's subsidized, highly advanced and efficient agriculture industry has put tons of modest, not-as-advanced farmers out of business all over the place. 

Bad things can happen when there are no regulations.  The tendency is for the large to get larger and the modest to disappear, which leads to huge imbalance.  With no enforcement, there are effectively no regulations.

I can't see anything good coming out of this.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26339226 - 11/22/19 10:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Of course I agree bad things can happen without regulations.  I was mainly saying that whether or not trade becomes "dysfunctional" depends on your definition of dysfunctional.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26339332 - 11/22/19 11:21 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: meltdowner]
    #26339335 - 11/22/19 11:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

No globalism for me thanks.

Pls dont put george soros in my tap water


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26339351 - 11/22/19 11:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Globalism? 

What does that mean?  I don't know.  It's like the word liberal.  The way people throw it around sometimes it cannot possibly mean to them what the dictionary says it means.

There is a sense of the word globalism that recognizes that we are living on a globe and should co-ordinate our efforts to make the most of that with coherent laws and customs so that our social activities, like trade, are harmonious.  At least that would be the ideal.

Then there is the Alex Jones globalism, where it's some shadowy powers controlling more and more of the world or something.  They might party and do satanic rituals at the bohemian grove, and you can pretty much let your imagination just run.

Then there is the globalization sense of the word.  From the 90's, when the free trade craze took off in earnest.  It was about capital decoupling from any kind of democratic control what-so-ever and corporations outgrowing the nation state and all that wonderful stuff.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
    #26339384 - 11/23/19 12:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

"Globalist" is a code word for "Jew".

People pretend it's about buying local, but it's just modern dog whistle anti-semitism.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #26339394 - 11/23/19 12:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If its a dog whistle and you're not an anti-semite, how could you hear it? Wouldn't the point of a "dog whistle" mean only a dog could understand.

Or is dog whistle a term used to disregard contrary opinions like, the term "(PARTY) Talking point"  ? 



By definition, your own logic makes you a modern anti-semite. Unless you too are trying to feed the OP propaganda  like the media

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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage] * 1
    #26339456 - 11/23/19 03:51 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You joined this website about ten minutes ago, so I'll try to explain this as simply as I can. Trump loves Israel. Trump hates Jews. That has been the Republican paradox since Reagan. Reagan and Trump had/have no religious views whatsoever. Both as atheistic as I am. But they pandered to the fundamentalist Christians because they are the easiest voting bloc to bullshit.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26339919 - 11/23/19 10:57 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

We know what Donald thinks Jews are good for: finding tax loopholes for Donald J. Trump

Debating the merits of Trumps trade policy is like taking your five year old’s budget plan for the family seriously. Trump is a moron. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. Everything he says about our trade situation is a lie. He makes up numbers. He pretends he’s negotiating. Exports are falling. Imports are rising. He’s destroying foreign markets for American business for a generation. It’s a complete farce.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: koods]
    #26339935 - 11/23/19 11:06 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's ok.  According to Trump America can write it off.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26339938 - 11/23/19 11:09 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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If its a dog whistle and you're not an anti-semite, how could you hear it? Wouldn't the point of a "dog whistle" mean only a dog could understand.

Or is dog whistle a term used to disregard contrary opinions like, the term "(PARTY) Talking point"  ? 



By definition, your own logic makes you a modern anti-semite. Unless you too are trying to feed the OP propaganda  like the media

I dunno im just a here,  I like mushrooms




Dog whistles are meant to be heard by the people that are "in the loop". Being someone that occasionally browses neo-nazi websites for entertainment and to stay current on the next verbal diarrhea they come up with, I am "in the loop".

None of that makes me an anti-semite. It just makes me informed on the comings and goings of anti-semites.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: Kryptos]
    #26339984 - 11/23/19 11:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

A dog whistle is a term that means something to the targeted group, but can be dismissed at the same time as being meaningless or innocuous. It’s implied language. You don’t say what you really mean but everyone knows what your saying.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage] * 1
    #26341763 - 11/24/19 06:20 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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No globalism for me thanks.

Pls dont put george soros in my tap water



Without globalism Trump's maga hats would cost an arm and a leg!


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26341900 - 11/24/19 08:17 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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A dog whistle is a term that means something to the targeted group, but can be dismissed at the same time as being meaningless or innocuous. It’s implied language. You don’t say what you really mean but everyone knows what your saying.




You seem paranoid

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Globalism? 

What does that mean?  I don't know.




Maybe do research before you talk of 2 types of globalism.

They are two perceived/assumed outcomes of the same sytem

globalism
[ gloh-buh-liz-uh m ]
noun
the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations.

This is what I disagree with^


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26342414 - 11/24/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

When I type in 'globalism', I get this

glob·al·ism
/ˈɡlōbəlizəm/
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noun
noun: globalism
the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.
"millions have lost jobs to the new globalism"

This implies the 'globalization' sense of the word.  The de-coupling of capital from democratic control, as the example sentence illustrates.

What do you mean by the word?  When the interests of the globe supersede the interests of a particular nation.  I find it hard to imagine there is much of an issue there unless the nation in question is imperialistic.  How could the interests of the globe contradict the interests of one of the nations which make it up unless that nation is dominating others somehow?

And where did you get your definition?


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: JohnRainy]
    #26342502 - 11/24/19 01:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

That is an issue because it is a fantasy ideology like pure communism and pure socialism so that useful idiots subscribe to it, give up sovereignty to a international power that then persues capitalistic gains to the benefit of the elite not the many.



The problem is that, globalsm isnt about all being under one flag, its about being under one world order that can control the population as a herd of cattle

And to assume the outcome would be good implies that you trust the architects of the global system to be benevolent.

We ahve seen what happens with central planning throughout history

Failures

A global centralization would be a global failure


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26342587 - 11/24/19 02:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It's not just a fantasy issue like pure socialism or pure capitalism, it's a fantasy issue like pure capitalism or pure democracy. Every economic system has elements of capitalism and socialism and every political system has elements of democracy and government control. They vary in the what proportions of each.

Increasing globalism is just reality, period, and no one can stop it. The worlds economy is an interlocking interdependent web, and to try to completely opt out of it would be disasterous. People need to reign it in and retain acceptable levels of national autonomy.

Notions of a new world order are flights of fantasy like significant colonization of other planets. Those things would take hundreds of time longer to develop than our environmental demise.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26343001 - 11/24/19 04:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Globalization is whats happening to the economy\


Globalism extends to the governmental and social sytems and programs that govern our rights


I would rather have a thousand small countries each with a rich and diverse culture than one homogenous golbalism sheepthink


Globalism diminishes the value of the individual because the scope of public good becomes much larger, it becomes justifiable to cause suffering to few to benefit the larger body.

That is the problem, this is what leads to the unethical shit we have seen under communist and socialist regimes.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26343009 - 11/24/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I don't agree.  How it creates the individual crosses all govt types.

Globalism is faster than fads.  How govt will interject itself to sustain dominate influence is the question.  As well as how individuals will react.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26343026 - 11/24/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Cant you see how neo-imperialism will be implemented under the guise of globalism.

You have to look at who the players on the board are. Who will be making decisions here?

You got USA, CHINA, maybe russia who are gonna duke it out to distribute the benefits as they see fit.

I dont know about you but the problem we are seeing today is that sometimes you just cannot integrate people into another culture if they choose to.

Look at Sweden they are facing problems with an unprecendted  bomb attacks in thier cities like its a country in war.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/04/sweden-bomb-attacks-reach-unprecedented-level-as-gangs-feud

The refugees did not have proper programs to integrate them into mainstream society and they were just kinda placed grouped with similar people and it created ghettos, we now see violence as there is fracture between the culture in these ghettos and regular Swedish people. It is a failure of centrally planned  pro-globalism olive branch policy failing on such a small scale.

I cant imagine implementing more policy along these lines on a global scale will be good


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26343045 - 11/24/19 05:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sweden has no problems

Take a chill pill dude.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26343068 - 11/24/19 05:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

So?


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    #26343069 - 11/24/19 05:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26343076 - 11/24/19 05:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Well shit every country has "problems".


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    #26343086 - 11/24/19 05:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Sweden Imported these problems and exacerbated the problem by failing to plan adequately because they had a positivity bias

Thinking that these refugees would voluntarily integrate over time but instead they turned inward into ghettos and now the problem is gangs because they do not feel integrated into the mainstream culture, whe growing up the kids feel they do not have a place, they arent at home so they join gangs and its leading to ethnic violence.

Its a situation where in trying to be super global and hand holdy and one love Sweden ended up creating racial tension and class warfare.


Globalism can go wrong fast even under the best intentions


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26343149 - 11/24/19 06:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Oh because the invasion of Iraq had a plan and didn't displace anyone?

Sometimes I wish people would us their racist analysis to cover the facts.


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Re: Trump may let global trade system become dysfunctional [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26343258 - 11/24/19 07:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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That is an issue because it is a fantasy ideology like pure communism and pure socialism so that useful idiots subscribe to it, give up sovereignty to a international power that then persues capitalistic gains to the benefit of the elite not the many.



The problem is that, globalsm isnt about all being under one flag, its about being under one world order that can control the population as a herd of cattle

And to assume the outcome would be good implies that you trust the architects of the global system to be benevolent.

We ahve seen what happens with central planning throughout history

Failures

A global centralization would be a global failure






Wow now that you explain it, it seems even more irrational


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    #26343306 - 11/24/19 07:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Call me irrational but there is a reason George Soros is banned from 6 countries


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    #26343552 - 11/24/19 10:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’m sure that’s a well sourced claim lol


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