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 Is the democratic party stable? 
#26338215 - 11/22/19 01:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Republican Coalition is fairly homogeneous culturally...mostly white Christians with non-costal working class sensibilities (regardless of actual socio-economic status). They can win narrow elections by combining heavy turnout among their cultural base with token levels of support among others who don't fit into the dominant "identity" group. It's pretty much expected their party leadership will be dominated by straight white christian males. Even people who don't fit that every demographic aspect respect its dominant structure.
The Democrats on the other hand are an unwieldy coalition of people from different races, classes, religions. You have (often lower income) voters of color, affluent "yuppie" white professionals, "hippie" white progressives, non-Christian religious traditionalists (Muslims, Hindus, etc),atheists/secularists,gays, feminists, immigrants, and then a shrinking, but still sizable number of white working class voters.
Pre-2016, there was a lot of talk (hope) that demographic chance would render the Republican Party irrelevant and the Democrats would be the dominant party of the future. But, long-term can the Democrats sustain their current coalition or will the divisions ultimately become too deep?
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Depends where party leadership steers the course.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: YangSupporter]  1
#26338320 - 11/22/19 02:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Republican Coalition is fairly homogeneous culturally...mostly white Christians with non-costal working class sensibilities (regardless of actual socio-economic status). They can win narrow elections by combining heavy turnout among their cultural base with token levels of support among others who don't fit into the dominant "identity" group. It's pretty much expected their party leadership will be dominated by straight white christian males. Even people who don't fit that every demographic aspect respect its dominant structure.
The Democrats on the other hand are an unwieldy coalition of people from different races, classes, religions. You have (often lower income) voters of color, affluent "yuppie" white professionals, "hippie" white progressives, non-Christian religious traditionalists (Muslims, Hindus, etc),atheists/secularists,gays, feminists, immigrants, and then a shrinking, but still sizable number of white working class voters.
Pre-2016, there was a lot of talk (hope) that demographic chance would render the Republican Party irrelevant and the Democrats would be the dominant party of the future. But, long-term can the Democrats sustain their current coalition or will the divisions ultimately become too deep?
Yeah, it's a shit show of supporters that come in direct conflict with each other. Most supporters have nothing in common with each other than hating the other side. That hate isn't good enough to create a strong unity with each other.
What happens after a group of liberals get together for a political rally against Trump? They all go in different directions after it's over because they all have nothing in common other than hatred.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: qman]
#26338619 - 11/22/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know the voting system in USA.
But here in Spain different parties can (and they do) enter covenants an find common grounds to get or partially get what they promised while in electoral campaign.
This system make the "left" split first, PSOE lost their extremist side to Podemos and the right lost most recently their extremist side to Vox.
I just wonder, it is possible to split the bipartidist system in USA? because the Democrat party as you describe it here is clearly a party that should split. (and i sincerely have doubts about republican homogienity)
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If a part splits they lose power. In some way the green part is sorta more left. Rarely do peopke vote green because it is a lost vote.
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The Democratic party needs to focus primarily on economic issues. That will maximize their pluses and minimize their minuses with independents/swing voter. In Bernie Sanders statement against the invasion of Iraq he returned the discussion to how this misguided expensive deadly adventurism would impact workers.
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/video/flashback-rep-bernie-sanders-opposes-iraq-war
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26346078 - 11/26/19 05:38 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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#26346252 - 11/26/19 08:11 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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In most sane countries there’s a right wing authoritarian party, and a labor party (and typically some other parties).
In America we have two right wing authoritarian parties, one of which labor is trying to take control of.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26346259 - 11/26/19 08:15 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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In most sane countries there’s a right wing authoritarian party, and a labor party (and typically some other parties).
In America we have two right wing authoritarian parties, one of which labor is trying to take control of.
I think this is due to the United States anti democratic founding principles. Our country was set up by the landed interests for the landed interests.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26346332 - 11/26/19 09:05 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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In most sane countries there’s a right wing authoritarian party, and a labor party (and typically some other parties).
In America we have two right wing authoritarian parties, one of which labor is trying to take control of.
Yes, and I think it's also the case that our labor movement, what there is of it, is more coopted than in most other western democracies. That's been the case since they destroyed the radical unions (IWW and some mining unions, etc.) and the AFL in whatever incarnation settled for economic gains and otherwise stayed out of politics. Under those circumstances, it makes sense that we don't have much of a labor party. I'm buying what I read in that link I posted above that a lot of organized labor doesn't want single payer, because they think it will jeopardize the good medical plans they have now.
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#26346412 - 11/26/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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That’s a bullshit talking point. Most recent national labor action was the UAW strike, and what happened immediately after that strike began? GM took away their healthcare.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26346508 - 11/26/19 10:52 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just because it's bullshit, doesn't mean people won't vote for it.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: Kryptos]
#26346511 - 11/26/19 10:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not enough people vote thats the problem. Far to many affluent people vote and not nearly enough normal people do.
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#26346514 - 11/26/19 10:54 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone you meet that "just isn't into politics", remind them that someone gets paid a shitton of money to keep them out of politics.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: Kryptos]
#26346518 - 11/26/19 10:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aint that the truth
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26346604 - 11/26/19 11:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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That’s a bullshit talking point. Most recent national labor action was the UAW strike, and what happened immediately after that strike began? GM took away their healthcare.
And the UAW won the strike, and part of that deal is that the autoworkers pay a very small percentage of their health insurance costs compared to GM office workers.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: Brian Jones]
#26346793 - 11/26/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes it’s good that the UAW was able to organize and keep GM from stabbing them in the back. But wouldn’t it be better if we just legislated away that knife in the first place?
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26346794 - 11/26/19 01:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nationlize GM?
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We should’ve done it when they needed the bailout.
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Re: Is the democratic party stable? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#26346818 - 11/26/19 01:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea I agree
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