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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26337798 - 11/22/19 09:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You say money attracts money but you are still failing to realize the had to get money in the first place




Maybe they're born with it, maybe it's maybelline.

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You are also failing to acknowledge the amount of philanthropy the uber rich are involved in, not out of generosity but out of tax incentives.

At a certain point its expensive to make a ton of money so rather than give all of it to the government in the form of taxes they donate to philanthropic programs to save themselves money.




Yeah, Sorta like how the Waltons run a "philanthropic" art gallery. A private art gallery. In a wing of their mansion. Sorta like donnie ran a "philanthropic" campaign slush fund for "veterans" (I hear dodging STDs is harder than dodging bullets).

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Maybe the goal is to keep people looking up and cursing at those above them so they miss that the path to the top is laid in front of them.




The path to the top does not exist for any individual person. The path to the top exists for their dynasty. Even Bezos is small fry compared to the Rothschilds. You, personally, will never make it to the 0.01% unless you are either born wealthy or run into insane luck. Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, Ma, they were born into wealth, and they were very lucky. Which is why they're billionaires.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Kryptos]
    #26337813 - 11/22/19 09:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, you refuse to entertain any contrary argument in favor of clinging to your beliefs.

You have every right to do that it just baffles me that someone would waste the time "Debating" with no intention of entertaining opposing argument.

Seems like you just like to hear yourself reinforce your beliefs and that is fine. I have seen how you treat people of differing opinions in political threads I should have never entertained you as you do not argue in good faith and you seek to destroy the other rather than work towards a solution.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage] * 1
    #26337832 - 11/22/19 10:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Idolizing billionaires gets people nowhere.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26337840 - 11/22/19 10:06 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Idolizing billionaires gets people nowhere.




Idolizing
verb (used with object), i·dol·ized, i·dol·iz·ing.
to regard with blind adoration, devotion, etc.
to worship as a god.

I am pointing out that there are benefits provided to society by the wealthy if you equate this to idolization I refer you to a dictionary


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage]
    #26337866 - 11/22/19 10:16 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

v. i·dol·ized, i·dol·iz·ing, i·dol·iz·es
1. To regard with great or uncritical admiration or devotion. See Synonyms at revere1.
2. To worship as an Idol

The world very rarely separates admiration from Idolization.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26338162 - 11/22/19 01:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Idolizing billionaires gets people nowhere.



Nor will demonizing them.

They're just people with more money, some like Bezos were not born rich, some were. Some people like shaq were born with physical talents that made them rich, others like gates were born with mental talents that made them rich.

Hate the game if you want but don't hate the winners cause they won, that just makes you a sore loser.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26338172 - 11/22/19 01:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Tulsi is a controversy magnet.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: OmnipotenTurd]
    #26338225 - 11/22/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Either puppets or new trolls that will not last long.

Nobody is demonizimg billionaires anymore than they deserve for their cheating the system.  Why should a billionare pay less taxes?


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26338303 - 11/22/19 02:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

What makes you think they pay less taxes?

Income tax rates on ordinary income are quite progressive. If you don't like the way the rest of the tax code breaks down blame your legislators.

Cheating is only cheating if you break the rules so unless we're talking pablo Escobar or el chapo, these billionaires played within the rules, so again blame the rule makers not the people who exploited the rules.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage] * 1
    #26338324 - 11/22/19 02:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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You can be as jealous as you want and you can be as bitter as you want sitting there hating people for being rich because you aren't

The fact is, these people provided value to society and were rewarded for it.



Speaking for myself, I'm not jealous of people that started a business and made themselves a lot of money.  I'm jealous that their kids who didn't do shit, and get to keep everything.  That's like divine right.

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Rich people could shut down their corporations tomorrow and hundreds of thousands would lose their source of income instantly.



False.  If the rich shut down their corporations, others could quickly move in to fill the void.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #26338325 - 11/22/19 02:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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What makes you think they pay less taxes?

Income tax rates on ordinary income are quite progressive. If you don't like the way the rest of the tax code breaks down blame your legislators.

Cheating is only cheating if you break the rules so unless we're talking pablo Escobar or el chapo, these billionaires played within the rules, so again blame the rule makers not the people who exploited the rules.




Who lobbies in Washington to buy off "the rule makers"?  Yeah, the billionaires!!!!!


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26338329 - 11/22/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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What makes you think they pay less taxes?



The super rich generally get taxed on capital gains rather than income, which is lower.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26338439 - 11/22/19 03:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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What makes you think they pay less taxes?

Income tax rates on ordinary income are quite progressive. If you don't like the way the rest of the tax code breaks down blame your legislators.

Cheating is only cheating if you break the rules so unless we're talking pablo Escobar or el chapo, these billionaires played within the rules, so again blame the rule makers not the people who exploited the rules.





Billionaires are very politically active to affect the legislation as it pleases them.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26338617 - 11/22/19 05:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

The NRA is a super powerful lobby driven by individuals. Many strong lobbies are driven by corporations and unions or trade orgs.

I think we can all agree lobbyist should be outlawed or vastly limited in their ability to use money.

Capital gains is a bit tricky, in one respect it hits all people with gains equally, on the other hand it is not a progressive tax structure, in part because it is a tax on money made on already taxed money. Make it progressive and linked to income and investment dries up or leaves for more favorable climates. End of the day investment money is highly mobile and you quickly find you get less of what you projected because the tax you inacted changes behaviors.


Income, property and consumption taxes work better because people generally can't avoid them.


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Tulsi is a controversy magnet.




She's a dud.


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Either puppets or new trolls that will not last long.




This is so juvenile ... maybe I mistook your gamer chat for a real open discussion


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26338631 - 11/22/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Independents aren't polling strongly for anybody.  Trump is going to keep on acting like himself, and all the Democrats running have veered so far left that they're shooting themselves in the foot.  It's not going to be pretty, but as long as the economy keeps like it is there is no doubt that DJT will be in the White House another 4 years.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26338696 - 11/22/19 06:00 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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This is so juvenile ... maybe I mistook your gamer chat for a real open discussion




:puppetmaster:


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #26338828 - 11/22/19 06:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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my wages are up, my stocks are up, my dick is up

I understand if it aint working for you but things have never been better for me




What stocks do you have that are up?



AMD
most stocks are up.  As is my 401k.
Not.sure why anyone is hating Trump.  He's doing a great job...exactly what he ran on.  First honest politician ive ever seen.  If the media hates you, youre doing it right.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Morel Guy]
    #26338838 - 11/22/19 07:01 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

C'mon man.  Keep the reddit responses on reddit.


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 1
    #26339102 - 11/22/19 09:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Capital gains is a bit tricky... Make it progressive and linked to income and investment dries up or leaves for more favorable climates.



That's like saying make income tax progressive and work will dry up.

Capital gains only taxes gains.  Anyone would rather take a gain taxed at 50% than no gain at all taxed at 0%.

Example:
$1,000,000 gained taxed at 50% = $500,000 pocketed
$0 gained taxed at 0% = $0 pocketed.

Would you rather have $500,000 or $0?


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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Sugabearcrisp] * 2
    #26339380 - 11/23/19 12:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Morel Guy said:
Idolizing billionaires gets people nowhere.



Nor will demonizing them.

They're just people with more money, some like Bezos were not born rich, some were. Some people like shaq were born with physical talents that made them rich, others like gates were born with mental talents that made them rich.

Hate the game if you want but don't hate the winners cause they won, that just makes you a sore loser.




Bezos' family owned a 25,000 acre ranch, he is related to a guy known as "The King of Country" (music), and his father is an engineer.

He was born into the top 1%.


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