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Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion
#26337904 - 11/22/19 10:32 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Title says it all, seems theres a lot of people saying that theres no need to change the conditions in monotubs. I am going to start an experiment soon to see if there is no need for colonizing. theres some bad ass growers have said they fruit at spawn in monotubs. And a lot of members advocating it as well. So yeah, lets have a discussion, hopefully not an argument.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337917 - 11/22/19 10:43 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let’s make it interesting.
We already know it’s possible to “fruit” from the start. However, we also have strong evidence that this reduces potency (late pinning varieties are more potent, as are over-consolidated subs, as per a thread I can’t find now).
Why not find out where the trade-off stops being worth it. How much to wait before “fruiting” to end up with the best [yield/time : potency] ratio.
I assume you’ll be growing an isolate?
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337923 - 11/22/19 10:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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myc grows under ground where there is no fae once it reaches the top and finds conditions right it fruits no different than a tub u have to recreate nature in doors
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337925 - 11/22/19 10:45 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it is important to define our terms before the discussion begins so we can all be on the same page.
Can you define “fruiting conditions”?
Also, what would be the term for the opposite of fruiting condition? Colonization conditions??
I’ve been curious about this too so I’m glad you posted it.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: feldman114]
#26337930 - 11/22/19 10:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: Let’s make it interesting.
We already know it’s possible to “fruit” from the start. However, we also have strong evidence that this reduces potency (late pinning varieties are more potent, as are over-consolidated subs, as per a thread I can’t find now).
Why not find out where the trade-off stops being worth it. How much to wait before “fruiting” to end up with the best [yield/time : potency] ratio.
I assume you’ll be growing an isolate?
Yessir, clones most likely, good point on the different varieties, now I will probably do a couple different varieties as well
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337940 - 11/22/19 10:54 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?forum%5B%5D=&words=Fruiting+at+spawn&namebox=&replybox=&how=all&where=body&tosearch=both&newerval=&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=y&minwords=&maxwords=&limit=25&sort=r&way=d&showmain=1
What is there to discuss? Some prefer it while others don't. Either way is acceptable.
What are the parameters of your planned experiment? Have you already established a hypothesis? Will you be utilizing a genetic isolate? How do you plan on ensuring all tubs will receive the exact same air currents. What will your sample size be? How can you rule out that your results are only applicable to the genetics that you've chosen to use?
Just a few things that may be easier to account for earlier rather than later.
Best of luck man, no hard feelings on my end.
Prepost edit as others have added- you may want to take a look at https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26235822/fpart/1/vc/1 before utilizing a clone. I haven't made it through the whole thread, but it seems the jury is still out(depending on who you ask of course) as to how many sets of genetics are normally contained within a clone(not speaking of chimerism or other oddities of that nature).
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: feldman114]
#26337948 - 11/22/19 10:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Fruit" from the start reduces potency? I doubt that. I've read that later flushes on clones are supposed to be more potent. Late pinning varieties being more potent seems almost more coincidental than causation if even correlated. Idk about over-consolidated subs, but I thought they produce less mass die to the lower nutrient content.I think we can hardly experiment in the whole potency aspect of these factors without a major endeavor requiring sophisticated research methods.
As far as fruiting and colonizing goes the organism always colonizes and then fruits. "Fruiting" at spawning doesn't change this, but rather is to say that the environment is simply unchanged, by the cultivator, throughout the life cycle.
The difference between unmodified tubs and modified tubs, when dialed in, is moreso going to be about how heavily hydrated the sub is at spawning. The rooms temperature and humidity comes in to play here. An unmodified tub in a more humid environment will require less water to start than a sub in a modified tub in a dry environment.
Neither tub, for cultivation purposes, is superior to the other. They're different. I simply like unmodified tubs because they are still good to use as a tub for whatever one may need.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26337954 - 11/22/19 11:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: "Fruit" from the start reduces potency? I doubt that. I've read that later flushes on clones are supposed to be more potent. Late pinning varieties being more potent seems almost more coincidental than causation if even correlated. Idk about over-consolidated subs, but I thought they produce less mass die to the lower nutrient content.I think we can hardly experiment in the whole potency aspect of these factors without a major endeavor requiring sophisticated research methods.
As far as fruiting and colonizing goes the organism always colonizes and then fruits. "Fruiting" at spawning doesn't change this, but rather is to say that the environment is simply unchanged, by the cultivator, throughout the life cycle.
The difference between unmodified tubs and modified tubs, when dialed in, is moreso going to be about how heavily hydrated the sub is at spawning. The rooms temperature and humidity comes in to play here. An unmodified tub in a more humid environment will require less water to start than a sub in a modified tub in a dry environment.
Neither tub, for cultivation purposes, is superior to the other. They're different. I simply like unmodified tubs because they are still good to use as a tub for whatever one may need.
Awesome response
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26337958 - 11/22/19 11:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilo_citizen said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?forum%5B%5D=&words=Fruiting+at+spawn&namebox=&replybox=&how=all&where=body&tosearch=both&newerval=&newertype=y&olderval=&oldertype=y&minwords=&maxwords=&limit=25&sort=r&way=d&showmain=1
What is there to discuss? Some prefer it while others don't. Either way is acceptable.
What are the parameters of your planned experiment? Have you already established a hypothesis? Will you be utilizing a genetic isolate? How do you plan on ensuring all tubs will receive the exact same air currents. What will your sample size be? How can you rule out that your results are only applicable to the genetics that you've chosen to use?
Just a few things that may be easier to account for earlier rather than later.
Best of luck man, no hard feelings on my end.
Prepost edit as others have added- you may want to take a look at https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26235822/fpart/1/vc/1 before utilizing a clone. I haven't made it through the whole thread, but it seems the jury is still out(depending on who you ask of course) as to how many sets of genetics are normally contained within a clone(not speaking of chimerism or other oddities of that nature).
Wow dood, whats there to discuss? no hard feelings?! You said I'm misinformed, outdated and wrong. Either stop being passive aggressive, or go flex your vast knowledge somewhere else. I do know how to do a controlled experiment, and when I get started on it, I will share the specs here.address.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26337985 - 11/22/19 11:27 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is there to discuss? Some prefer it while others don't. Either way is acceptable.
What are the parameters of your planned experiment? Have you already established a hypothesis? Will you be utilizing a genetic isolate? How do you plan on ensuring all tubs will receive the exact same air currents. What will your sample size be? How can you rule out that your results are only applicable to the genetics that you've chosen to use?
Just a few things that may be easier to account for earlier rather than later.
Best of luck man, no hard feelings on my end.
Prepost edit as others have added- you may want to take a look at https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26235822/fpart/1/vc/1 before utilizing a clone. I haven't made it through the whole thread, but it seems the jury is still out(depending on who you ask of course) as to how many sets of genetics are normally contained within a clone(not speaking of chimerism or other oddities of that nature).
Wow dood, whats there to discuss? no hard feelings?! You said I'm misinformed, outdated and wrong. Either stop being passive aggressive, or go flex your vast knowledge somewhere else. I do know how to do a controlled experiment, and when I get started on it, I will share the specs here.address.
I was having a laugh at you going off on someone bud.
I didn't mean to come off as passive aggressive(though I see how you could take it that way); it was a legitimate question. What aspect of this are you looking to discuss?
Why you so angry though?
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26338017 - 11/22/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: "Fruit" from the start reduces potency? I doubt that. I've read that later flushes on clones are supposed to be more potent. Late pinning varieties being more potent seems almost more coincidental than causation if even correlated. Idk about over-consolidated subs, but I thought they produce less mass die to the lower nutrient content.I think we can hardly experiment in the whole potency aspect of these factors without a major endeavor requiring sophisticated research methods.
As far as fruiting and colonizing goes the organism always colonizes and then fruits. "Fruiting" at spawning doesn't change this, but rather is to say that the environment is simply unchanged, by the cultivator, throughout the life cycle.
The difference between unmodified tubs and modified tubs, when dialed in, is moreso going to be about how heavily hydrated the sub is at spawning. The rooms temperature and humidity comes in to play here. An unmodified tub in a more humid environment will require less water to start than a sub in a modified tub in a dry environment.
Neither tub, for cultivation purposes, is superior to the other. They're different. I simply like unmodified tubs because they are still good to use as a tub for whatever one may need.
Awesome response
Oooooo someone’s about to receive a spanking education. *waits for the TCs to chime in* Meanwhile, check this out:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15181139/fpart/1/vc/1
O.S. I DID put “fruiting” in quotations..
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: Failboat]
#26338028 - 11/22/19 12:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: "Fruit" from the start reduces potency? I doubt that. I've read that later flushes on clones are supposed to be more potent. Late pinning varieties being more potent seems almost more coincidental than causation if even correlated. Idk about over-consolidated subs, but I thought they produce less mass die to the lower nutrient content.I think we can hardly experiment in the whole potency aspect of these factors without a major endeavor requiring sophisticated research methods.
As far as fruiting and colonizing goes the organism always colonizes and then fruits. "Fruiting" at spawning doesn't change this, but rather is to say that the environment is simply unchanged, by the cultivator, throughout the life cycle.
The difference between unmodified tubs and modified tubs, when dialed in, is moreso going to be about how heavily hydrated the sub is at spawning. The rooms temperature and humidity comes in to play here. An unmodified tub in a more humid environment will require less water to start than a sub in a modified tub in a dry environment.
Neither tub, for cultivation purposes, is superior to the other. They're different. I simply like unmodified tubs because they are still good to use as a tub for whatever one may need.
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Quirkmeister92 said: "Fruit" from the start reduces potency? I doubt that. I've read that later flushes on clones are supposed to be more potent. Late pinning varieties being more potent seems almost more coincidental than causation if even correlated. Idk about over-consolidated subs, but I thought they produce less mass die to the lower nutrient content.I think we can hardly experiment in the whole potency aspect of these factors without a major endeavor requiring sophisticated research methods.
As far as fruiting and colonizing goes the organism always colonizes and then fruits. "Fruiting" at spawning doesn't change this, but rather is to say that the environment is simply unchanged, by the cultivator, throughout the life cycle.
The difference between unmodified tubs and modified tubs, when dialed in, is moreso going to be about how heavily hydrated the sub is at spawning. The rooms temperature and humidity comes in to play here. An unmodified tub in a more humid environment will require less water to start than a sub in a modified tub in a dry environment.
Neither tub, for cultivation purposes, is superior to the other. They're different. I simply like unmodified tubs because they are still good to use as a tub for whatever one may need.
I'm not referring to unmodified tubs here. I would think that ambient temp and humidity are what set the conditions to any tub. I'm only talking monotubs here, I would find it hard to believe that a mono taped up solid isn't different than one with poly, or micropore taped, if I said that right,lol, I mean their different.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26338043 - 11/22/19 12:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who ever suggested to keep the tub completely sealed up?!
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26338047 - 11/22/19 12:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you guys don't have anything to contribute, or your just going to point to what other people have said, or did, Then dont bother posting here you guys just want to keep telling me I'm misinformed, dont know what I'm talking about, but just refer to other people's work. At least I know Quirk speaks from experience, and isnt here to show everyone how smart he is, thats the kind of discussion I would like to have here. I'm trying my best not to go off, but maybe I do need to be banned for a while, or permanently, maybe
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26338152 - 11/22/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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feldman114 said:
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Psilo_citizen said:
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Quirkmeister92 said: "Fruit" from the start reduces potency? I doubt that. I've read that later flushes on clones are supposed to be more potent. Late pinning varieties being more potent seems almost more coincidental than causation if even correlated. Idk about over-consolidated subs, but I thought they produce less mass die to the lower nutrient content.I think we can hardly experiment in the whole potency aspect of these factors without a major endeavor requiring sophisticated research methods.
As far as fruiting and colonizing goes the organism always colonizes and then fruits. "Fruiting" at spawning doesn't change this, but rather is to say that the environment is simply unchanged, by the cultivator, throughout the life cycle.
The difference between unmodified tubs and modified tubs, when dialed in, is moreso going to be about how heavily hydrated the sub is at spawning. The rooms temperature and humidity comes in to play here. An unmodified tub in a more humid environment will require less water to start than a sub in a modified tub in a dry environment.
Neither tub, for cultivation purposes, is superior to the other. They're different. I simply like unmodified tubs because they are still good to use as a tub for whatever one may need.
Awesome response
Oooooo someone’s about to receive a spanking education. *waits for the TCs to chime in* Meanwhile, check this out:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15181139/fpart/1/vc/1
O.S. I DID put “fruiting” in quotations..
Interesting read(well most of it anyway, I gotta get back to work... first 7 pages have my attention though).
There are the arguments of correlation does not equate causation coupled with bioassays being less than reliable.
The general consensus as far as I've ever been aware is that potency is tied to genetics, which makes sense. Genetics also tie into time frames so make of that what you will.
Definitely warrants further research. Thx for the link!
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26338289 - 11/22/19 02:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ohmatics monotub Tek fruits at spawning.
There's Azurs thread case and fruiting at spawning that was popular, with pages of discussion that may be relivent.
Case and fruit at spawning is the only way I make monotubs. No debate in my mind at least, never going back. Neglect style wins out simply from a work load perspective, no tape= two less steps of removing the tape and then adding the fae filter material.
2micropore tapes on the bottom, 1 on top and the next time I have to fiddle with it is to harvest.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26338508 - 11/22/19 04:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilo_citizen said: Who ever suggested to keep the tub completely sealed up?!
Keeping it sealed up completely until full colonization used to be standard practice.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
#26338555 - 11/22/19 04:45 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilo_citizen said: Who ever suggested to keep the tub completely sealed up?!
Keeping it sealed up completely until full colonization used to be standard practice.
Im aware; maybe I misunderstood what he was saying. I took it as he was talking about leaving it sealed up for the duration of the grow.
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: Psilo_citizen]
#26338686 - 11/22/19 05:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilo_citizen said:
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Psilo_citizen said: Who ever suggested to keep the tub completely sealed up?!
Keeping it sealed up completely until full colonization used to be standard practice.
Im aware; maybe I misunderstood what he was saying. I took it as he was talking about leaving it sealed up for the duration of the grow.
Don't fucking post here
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Re: Fruiting at spawn in a 6 hole monotub discussion [Re: BigSurMoon]
#26338923 - 11/22/19 07:38 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chill out man, it's a public forum
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