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dreamachine

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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: relic] 1
#26337160 - 11/21/19 10:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wasn't a good amount of his staff less than $15/hr? I know that's kind of a petty example but... Plus he jumped on Trump when it comes to Russia, which everyone whose honest with themselves knows is BS. and then didn't he decry Trump for 'pulling' out of Syria cuz 'the kurds'?
I don't know I feel like Bernie is like Trump, he tells a large faction of people what they want to hear, but in reality is another puppet of the system; I could be wrong, and Bernie could actually have his heart in the right place (Trump too) but maybe when you get in that arena you are instantly corrupted or destroyed.
who knows, I just get a shady vibe from Bernie, same vibe I get from Trump. Tulsi I don't get that vibe as much. maybe it's just my stupid 'anti-establishment' 'anti-pop culture' ideals and seeing Bernie so propped up by the masses on the left instantly puts me at odds with him. I like underground shit, and Bernie too popular for me; plus he's not quite balanced enough; I hear both the left and right shitting on 'centrists' a lot lately, but I think that a centrist/independent candidate is what America should always have. The idea that we should elect people that half of the country can't stand every 4-8 years, so that congress can completely gridlock every time, and so that the bills people want to get passed never get passed is a stupid way of doing things imo.
Tulsi on the other hand is probably the most centrist of the candidates I can think of that stands a chance. But this is all wasted text, cuz we both know the chances of Bernie or Tulsi getting nominated are close to 0. Unfortunately.
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Bernie is the wrench in the system we need but will never get because how heavily he is dismissed as utopian / nonsense.
If you are looking for a wrench in the system you cannot deny Donald Trump is that.
He never held office before being elected so he is about as outside the establishment a president as we have ever had.
If you want to shake the political system why would you want to vote in another politician? </font></font>
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage]
#26337196 - 11/21/19 11:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would have agreed with you a year ago, but I'm starting to think more and more that Trump might have been part of the system this whole time; that all the attacks on him were all planned out so that big tech and the government could engage in censoring the American people under the guise of it being a partisan issue. It's starting to feel more and more that Trump might be a double agent, and I think those of us who elected Trump in particular might want to start considering that as being a possibility.
I hope it's not, but so far it seems 90% of the good that Trump has done has only enriched the richest in America and so far I haven't seen that trickle down (that said one could argue that enough time hasn't passed for that to happen but I don't know) on the other hand, under Trump's watch free speech has been decimated and censorship is rampant, and people are being silenced under the guise of private ownership of social media platforms and partisan differences. (though the left that controls big tech claims its not political but we all know that's BS)
We'll see if I'm right if big tech starts censoring 'alt-left' people like those who support Bernie/Yang/Tulsi; and from what I'm seeing that censorship and silencing has already begun (though nowhere close to the level it is for those on the right; so far)
who knows time will tell, I hope i'm wrong, but I would advice everyone to prep for worse case scenarios asap.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
#26337241 - 11/21/19 11:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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my wages are up, my stocks are up, my dick is up
I understand if it aint working for you but things have never been better for me
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage]
#26337263 - 11/21/19 11:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Happy for you; wish that increase was seen leveling across the wealth spectrum. Not that i'm calling for socialism/communism, I think those systems are too vulnerable to corruption. However, something like Yang's $1k/mo across the board I could see really boosting the economy, and encouraging more entrepreneurism and reducing poverty and crime; then again the entire system might just adjust 'inflation' according to that $1k/mo and essentially make it null (like how when wages increase mcdonalds prices increase as well)
I think the only way this system is going to avoid total collapse is that the rich (the really rich in particular) are going to have to engage in WAY more generosity; paying their employees more, running legit programs to help communities (and not to embezzle and launder money and shit)
If the top 10% don't start raining money on the bottom 90% real quick theres gonna be some serious destabilization coming soon to a theater near us. imo
in all honesty this whole system is doomed I think; automation and robotics is going to replace humans at a faster and faster rate, and pretty soon a massive percentage of the population is going to be unemployed; too much for society to handle the way our system currently operates.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
#26337266 - 11/21/19 11:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must acknowledge that the rich are rich because they have at some point, done something that made a lot of money.
Microsoft, amazon, whatever. These things that made them rich also provided great societal benefit.
Jobs, services, products.
These people do not have to build anything. Yet they do and become rich for it.
They do not need to run those companies that create jobs and service the public.
They do this by choice and that, is generous.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
#26337273 - 11/21/19 11:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The rise in censorship is abhorrent yet people do not make the effort to learn the fact of the matter anyways. Censorship as it is now, does not stop you from going beyond the mainstream narrative but you can lead a horse to water you cant make em drink.
If they chose to watch a fairytale network spin agendas into hurricanes then its their god given right as americans to do so
Censoring speech on a platform that is owned by a private citizen is something you consent to.
You all agreed to the terms of serivce on the website it doesnt matter if you read the agreement or not you legally signed off on being ok with this. You should not have accepted the terms of service.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: dreamachine]
#26337361 - 11/22/19 02:14 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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This:
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dreamachine said: The democrats don't need tulsi to spoil their race lmfao
This:
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dreamachine said: They seem more like corporate shills than anything if you ask me; then again that's pretty much everyone in politics; barring a few
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage] 1
#26337497 - 11/22/19 06:31 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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CornboySavage said: my wages are up, my stocks are up, my dick is up
I understand if it aint working for you but things have never been better for me
What stocks do you have that are up?
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Brian Jones]
#26337540 - 11/22/19 07:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rich people run companies and get richer and that's generous because they could just be average shit-upon workers instead of providing all this richness to themselves.
Holy shit.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage]
#26337574 - 11/22/19 07:53 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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CornboySavage said: You must acknowledge that the rich are rich because they have at some point, done something that made a lot of money.
Or, at least, someone at some point did something to make themselves rich and passed that money down.
I don't recall donnie ever doing anything except a few bankruptcies.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Kryptos]
#26337576 - 11/22/19 07:56 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does being born rich count as doing something that made a lot of money?
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: christopera]
#26337625 - 11/22/19 08:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tulsi reminds me of McCain in terms of appeal, great on paper but something missing in terms of cult of personality needed to be president. We've had two presidents in a row that have managed to electrify their respective bases and opponents in equal measures, in other words hard acts to follow.
I'm near ground 0 for 2020 and Pete is getting more excitement by far.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: christopera]
#26337627 - 11/22/19 08:24 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as the rapture goes, just some religious fucks writing another book. I read a version of the bible. It was so annoying when jesus was introduced and then died. After that I couldn't read the book anymore. Got like 3/4 or more done with the book. Couldn't imagine a version with the rapture in it. Some bad trip bullshit some demonic asshole came up with.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: FungiMaster]
#26337657 - 11/22/19 08:35 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Being born rich still requires that someone made the money.
You can be as jealous as you want and you can be as bitter as you want sitting there hating people for being rich because you aren't
The fact is, these people provided value to society and were rewarded for it. They managed their money responsibly so that they could pass it down.
You hate them for being at the top because you fail to acknowledge that they really do deserve to be there wether you like it or not.
How about you build an empire like these rich men did? It is not easy, nobody got there without making mistakes. These people took risks and it paid off.
Keep working your wage slave jobs and not investing your money and you will keep being bitter at people that have more than you.
Nobody is stopping you from becoming rich except your own lack of drive and ambition and I think this is where the hatred for the rich comes from. People see them at the top and refuse to see what got them there. Instead of trying to better themselves they simply blame the rich because "muh inequality".
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: relic]
#26337668 - 11/22/19 08:40 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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relic said: Rich people run companies and get richer and that's generous because they could just be average shit-upon workers instead of providing all this richness to themselves.
Holy shit.
Rich people could shut down their corporations tomorrow and hundreds of thousands would lose their source of income instantly.
They do not have to run businesses, we are not entitled to their companies and the jobs they provide.
The rich keep everyone employed and if you cannot see that then how about you go work for poor people, oh wait, THEY DO NOT OWN BUSINESSES
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage] 2
#26337682 - 11/22/19 08:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rich people only own businesses as long as there are poor people buying their shit.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Kryptos]
#26337692 - 11/22/19 08:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Rich people only own businesses as long as there are poor people buying their shit.
This is my point. You all rely on the products created by these companies.
They make our lives more convenient and comfortable because we chose to buy them.
Imagine having to make your own soap, toothpaste, shoes, clothes, car, anything instead of buying it.
The rich people burden themselves establishing the distribution and production networks that make modern standard of living possible.
Not only that but they give you the money you need to buy these things via employment.
People really wana bite the hand that feeds them I guess. Because these people could stop production tomorrow and then what? They do not have to supply you goods you would have to make them yourself.
So we pay them, they grow rich, because they provide value ^
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: CornboySavage] 1
#26337725 - 11/22/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're confusing the 1% with the 0.01%.
Sure, some of the millionaires are providing value by creating companies. Billionaires don't do that. You don't make a billion dollars like that. You make billions through financial speculation, and financial speculation alone.
The richest among us hide behind the 1%, and to an extent, they hide behind the aspirational 15, who include high paid professionals like doctors and lawyers. They want you to equate the two, because those in the top 15% create value through hard work.
The 0.01% do not create value. They simply live off the fact that money begins to attract money at a certain point.
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Re: The Only Person Who Can Defeat Trump [Re: Kryptos]
#26337740 - 11/22/19 09:15 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The richest men in the world create value. Bezos, Jack Ma, Carlos Slim. Amazon, alibaba, all the telecommunications in Mexico.
Great services that improve the lives of many
You say money attracts money but you are still failing to realize the had to get money in the first place
You cannot financially speculate without finances. There is no spontaneous generation of wealth.
You are also failing to acknowledge the amount of philanthropy the uber rich are involved in, not out of generosity but out of tax incentives.
At a certain point its expensive to make a ton of money so rather than give all of it to the government in the form of taxes they donate to philanthropic programs to save themselves money.
Maybe the goal is to keep people looking up and cursing at those above them so they miss that the path to the top is laid in front of them.
Edited by CornboySavage (11/22/19 09:17 AM)
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