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The Myth of...
    #26336903 - 11/21/19 08:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This is a thread where you post truths about popular myths... not the usual debunking of religion/spirituality/etc, but instead stuff that is commonly referenced in popular culture as some accepted idea about people / the world


The Myth of the Stanford Prison Experiment

The Stanford Prison Experiment is commonly thrown around as a reference that people are inherently total assholes without any real morals, and they only need to be placed into certain roles to show how depraved they can be. The story goes that some students were divided into two groups, guards and prisoners, and the situation quickly devolved into total abuse of the prisoners by the guards. You hear about this experiment all the time on podcasts, there are documentaries, a movie was made recently, etc... Its even widely taught in college level psychology classes and a case study often referenced.

But the whole experiment was basically bullshit

The guy running the experiment coached the guards beforehand to be rough and cruel. The guards didn't really want to be and were mostly nice, even doing favors for the prisoners. So he continued to coach them into being meaner until he got the performances he wanted.

Student prisoners are on record stating that they gave performances of being upset, breaking down and freaking out because they were afraid of not getting into grad school if they didn't do what was wanted of them by the instructor. They said they were obviously acting, not very well, and having fun.

The entire experiment was manipulated by the two guys running it from the start, and through the entire process, and the results were also falsified to match what they wanted to write about.

If you do a google on this subject, you can find lots of articles written about it, and referencing the original documents/tapes, interviews with original participants, all showing that the whole thing was a farce.

But its still widely accepted and referenced in modern culture as proof of our inherent sadism.


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper] * 1
    #26336910 - 11/21/19 08:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Saw a movie on it once. Could be wrong but I'm guessing it probably wasn't very accurate to reality.


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Niffla]
    #26336926 - 11/21/19 08:29 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

As far as I know, all movies/documentaries made about it are based on the myth, not the reality.

I think the reality has only been written about, using the actual recorded documentation (tapes and written transcripts), along with interviews

But the reality wouldn't make a very good movie


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Niffla] * 3
    #26336930 - 11/21/19 08:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I like urban legends, cause they're funny and stupid at the same time.

Cowtipping springs instantly to mind.


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 4
    #26336945 - 11/21/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I like urban legends, cause they're funny and stupid at the same time.






The LSD urban legends are my favorite

"After 7 trips you're legally insane"

"A guy jumped in a pool and forgot he had a sheet in his pocket and thought he was a glass of orange juice for the rest of his life"

"The FBI can find out if you did LSD by doing a spinal tap"

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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Niffla]
    #26336958 - 11/21/19 08:41 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

But anyway yeah pixel, I only have heard bits & pieces about the stanford prison experiment

And that movie

I'll have to look into it a little deeper


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26336970 - 11/21/19 08:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Niffla said:
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Jokeshopbeard said:
I like urban legends, cause they're funny and stupid at the same time.






The LSD urban legends are my favorite

"After 7 trips you're legally insane"

"A guy jumped in a pool and forgot he had a sheet in his pocket and thought he was a glass of orange juice for the rest of his life"

"The FBI can find out if you did LSD by doing a spinal tap"

:barbershreds:




I wonder if I'd be happier as a glass of orange juice.


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #26336972 - 11/21/19 08:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I thought that the story went he thought he was an orange and tried to peel himself?


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #26336975 - 11/21/19 08:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I remember hearing in highschool that if you did LSD once you were legally insane...

And then I did it anyway


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: Enjoywho]
    #26336995 - 11/21/19 09:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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Enjoywho said:
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Niffla said:
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Jokeshopbeard said:
I like urban legends, cause they're funny and stupid at the same time.






The LSD urban legends are my favorite

"After 7 trips you're legally insane"

"A guy jumped in a pool and forgot he had a sheet in his pocket and thought he was a glass of orange juice for the rest of his life"

"The FBI can find out if you did LSD by doing a spinal tap"

:barbershreds:




I wonder if I'd be happier as a glass of orange juice.




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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26336998 - 11/21/19 09:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I remember hearing in highschool that if you did LSD once you were legally insane...

And then I did it anyway




:woah:

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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26337035 - 11/21/19 09:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

When i was in college, the Stanford Experiment was described in detail. The conclusion of the experiment is people can be pressured into specific social roles depending on the context of the situation. Ties in with conformity and authorative pressures. The experiment had to be to stopped because it quickly got out of control of the experimentors. In todays age, such an experiment would be unethical because of the power/submissive roles involved and the real trauma caused by the experiment on the people directly involved.

There was also a similar experiment involving electroshock "punishment" and teaching and a similar observation about social pressuring was observed.


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper] * 2
    #26337045 - 11/21/19 09:34 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

It baffles my mind how so many otherwise intelligent people fall victim to believing stupid myths, often to the point where they develop imaginary people who fell victim to their supposed myths to attempt to validate their misinformation.  I used to work with this guy who by all means seemed to have a head on his shoulders.  He was very knowledgeable in the realm ov addiction treatment and even co-founded a treatment center in Florida.  And yet... he wholeheartedly believed that psilocybe mushroom trips were solely caused by food poisoning and there was absolutely nothing i could do to convince him otherwise.

One VERY commonly held myth i despise is that insoluble fiber is beneficial for colorectal health.  This BS gained traction in the first half ov the 20th century through the propaganda and corporate villainy ov John Harvey Kellogg(why i boycott all Kellogg's products).  A staunch believer in sexual abstinence, Kellogg capitalized on contemporary studies which showed that high fiber consumption decreased the sex drive and thus created a market niche for his fibrous trash.  His strong ties to medical institutions set the ball rolling for his beliefs to gain widespread acceptance despite being adverse to common sense and an understanding ov colorectal health.  Now, especially in the U.S., we're faced with an epidemic ov colorectal diseases directly caused by this bogus myth that is sustained by the medical authorities, corporations, and the general populace who believe them over their own bodies.  John Harvey Kellogg truly belongs in the company ov the most evil people in history, and it's a plumb shame that not only is he not recognized as such, but the impact ov his villainy continues to this day.


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26337066 - 11/21/19 09:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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When i was in college, the Stanford Experiment was described in detail. The conclusion of the experiment is people can be pressured into specific social roles depending on the context of the situation. Ties in with conformity and authorative pressures. The experiment had to be to stopped because it quickly got out of control of the experimentors. In todays age, such an experiment would be unethical because of the power/submissive roles involved and the real trauma caused by the experiment on the people directly involved.

There was also a similar experiment involving electroshock "punishment" and teaching and a similar observation about social pressuring was observed.





Yeah, what I was pointing out in my post about it is that the findings of this experiment are fabrication. Its all bullshit.

https://gen.medium.com/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26337079 - 11/21/19 09:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

And really, when it comes to experiments, studies and research, this a very big problem spanning over many different areas. Its particularly annoying in the current internet age where people will just find a study online and then quote it as proof of whatever idea... but in reality, many studies are flawed and contain the bias of those conducting the study - their desire to confirm/spread their own beliefs, the desire to make a name for themselves, and the fact that they need to achieve certain results in order to obtain continued funding for their work (ie, they need to make that cash)

There are various ways to manipulate studies to achieve a desired result, and this stuff is rampant in the world of research/experimentation


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26337090 - 11/21/19 10:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hydroponic shrooms


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26337106 - 11/21/19 10:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I see what u mean now. Your claim is that the participants in the experiment were only acting and didnt actually experience any traumatizing psychological effects from the experiment. But was it all just acting? Or was the emotions "real"? How do you differ betweeb the two?

Sounds like the basis of a psychological experiment conspiracy/cover-up. :strokebeard:


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26337182 - 11/21/19 10:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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I see what u mean now. Your claim is that the participants in the experiment were only acting and didnt actually experience any traumatizing psychological effects from the experiment. But was it all just acting? Or was the emotions "real"? How do you differ betweeb the two?

Sounds like the basis of a psychological experiment conspiracy/cover-up. :strokebeard:




If you click the link I posted in last reply, you can read a long article covering this. There are also a lot of articles on this you can easily find online, searching stanford prison experiment truth or similar phrasing...

The actual documents, tape recordings and transcripts of the experiment show the truth.. its not really up for debate. The experiment was legit falsified from the start and throughout. The claim that these students organically acted on their own is totally false, and destroys the entire premise.


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    #26337347 - 11/22/19 01:30 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

This is the "push the button to shock the guy in the other room" experiment, correct?

How far people will push morality via appeal to authority?


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Re: The Myth of... [Re: pixelpopper]
    #26337358 - 11/22/19 02:00 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'll have to look into this further.

Loaded, that experiment is called the Milgram Study, #9 on this list: https://unbelievable-facts.com/2017/10/psychological-experiment.html/amp


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