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Envy and Ambition
    #26336837 - 11/21/19 07:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

why are you ambitious?

a Kishnamurti inspired post.

Envy as wanting the "More", more power, more life, more beauty, better posistion, is society tiresly pushing you to Envy? Is this not the cause of conflict? of division seperating you from the less fortunate? can you bring in the power and awareness of the spiritual and Divine while egoisticly pursuing your own ambitious ends?

Krishnamurti said ambition in any form is destroying society, whether for yourself, or for God, or for family and friends, is there not a beautiful poise that is neither stagnation, contempment or pursuing, searching? the flowering life as he put it, which is not the gathering of property or knowledge, not the ambition of collecting, but a different way of life.

I recently searched Google for "why is Greed bad?" (interesting to see what people searched as "why is..." including "why is my poop green"!), and many said Greed can be good, it gets thing done in the world, progress, achieving goals in your life,,, but is not Greed causing many much misery and mischef in the world? untold of power of currupted Governments, war, and crime, the ideal amount of money is no more than "50'000" a year for the most secure life style of happiness, any more or less can make you disturbed and unhappy.

would you be happy rich?

one person on the web said this:

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"Greedy are ugly The greedy people I know show physical symptoms.
They are spiritually, physically, and emotionally ugly.
They are insincere, conniving, unauthentic, and withdrawn.
They are incapable of sincere caring human relationships.
They lie, cheat, steal, and betray.
Their negative actions pave the way for discomfort.
Their whole life is based on control and more, not quality or authenticity"




why are you ambitious? :confused:


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And radiance within himself
That man becomes one with God
And vanishes into God's bliss."

-Bhagavad Gita, 5.24
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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: saintdextro]
    #26338391 - 11/22/19 03:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Greed isn't good nor is wealth without perspective.
Many want to be rich but if they TRULY understand the process and changes you need to go through to become, they wouldn't.

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saintdextro said:
why are you ambitious? :confused:




Because I know my life's purpose and I am secure with the means and motivation I have in pursuit of it.


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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26338841 - 11/22/19 07:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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r00tcmplx said:
Because I know my life's purpose and I am secure with the means and motivation I have in pursuit of it.




through competition? breeding envy between yourself and others, sounds a little ruthless (but i'm just been hard on you for sake of discussion! :grin: ).

and what purpose is life to you? to search and gain (as in ambition)? we've been doing this for thousands of years and it has brought pain nd sorrow not just between other human beings, but on animals, plants and the earth as a whole.


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"He who finds peace and joy
And radiance within himself
That man becomes one with God
And vanishes into God's bliss."

-Bhagavad Gita, 5.24
One 21 - Building Better Bombs
One 21 - Pacified
One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine
"Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti


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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: saintdextro]
    #26339028 - 11/22/19 08:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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saintdextro said:
through competition?




Competition with who? LOL, you get an education. Get a job. Do as you please with your free time. I choose to engage in cultivating my mind and applying it to something grand before I die. That's what I feel is my life purpose. Where in the world is competition present? I'm guessing you're talking about people low-minded misadventures in wealth/materialism/keeping up with the joneses. Well, envy follows and is packaged with such low mindedness.

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saintdextro said:
breeding envy between yourself and others, sounds a little ruthless (but i'm just been hard on you for sake of discussion! :grin: ).




It doesn't apply to me or my pursuits. Please define where I'm wrong.

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and what purpose is life to you?




Learn/grow/contribute. Be a good person. Progress the world and yourself.

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saintdextro said:
to search and gain (as in ambition)?




Does a tree have ambition because it grows? How about grass? What about galaxes? Planets.
What's up with your fixation on this word?

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saintdextro said:
we've been doing this for thousands of years and it has brought pain nd sorrow not just between other human beings, but on animals, plants and the earth as a whole.



Stupid people, ignorance, and low-minded pursuits bring this which is why its one of life's purposes to show you the suffering that results and compel you to have the ambition to be better and do better.


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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26339114 - 11/22/19 09:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

my fixation with the word "ambition" is because this is what the thread is about.

i'm not against getting an education or getting a job, my problem is ruthlessness and the dissintegration of the world, in the wake of gain there is destruction, whereas I believe in a beautiful poise that is neither stagnation nor search, an action that comes from the source of Being, call it intelligent action, an action from stillness and silence, unconditiond, the system of education is turning out people in a mold, get more money, get more power, get more beauty, that is where the competition lays, i'm sorry, probally should'nt have accused you.

"improving sociey" is a topic for the politician to play with, and we, the layman, get caught in the cogs and schemes of the power hungry.


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"He who finds peace and joy
And radiance within himself
That man becomes one with God
And vanishes into God's bliss."

-Bhagavad Gita, 5.24
One 21 - Building Better Bombs
One 21 - Pacified
One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine
"Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti


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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: saintdextro]
    #26339230 - 11/22/19 10:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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saintdextro said:
my fixation with the word "ambition" is because this is what the thread is about.




Ambition has context. You might want to specify because the blade of grass in your yard has 'ambition' for all intents purposes and there's obviously zero things wrong with ambition in and of itself.

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saintdextro said:
i'm not against getting an education or getting a job,




Or the many other infinite ways you can be ambitious and positive.

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saintdextro said:
my problem is ruthlessness and the dissintegration of the world, in the wake of gain there is destruction,




What's your problem here? the freedom for people to be idiots and suffer? That's an option people have the free-will to choose. Its never going away. Sometimes its minimal in history. Sometimes its maximal. Is what it is.

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saintdextro said:
whereas I believe in a beautiful poise that is neither stagnation nor search, an action that comes from the source of Being, call it intelligent action, an action from stillness and silence, unconditiond,



 
This is an option too. A higher minded one that leads to a higher establishment in life.
High road... low road. Both have to exist.

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saintdextro said:
the system of education is turning out people in a mold, get more money, get more power, get more beauty, that is where the competition lays, i'm sorry, probably shouldn't have accused you.



 
All good. Now i understand you and agree. Its a big cultural phenonomen in the west. It's not everywhere. Even in the US, more actualized people don't pursue this. Lower tier lifestyles and modes of operation for lower minded individuals and the resultant suffering. This is essentially the balanced universe at work. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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saintdextro said:
"improving sociey" is a topic for the politician to play with, and we, the layman, get caught in the cogs and schemes of the power hungry.



I'm caught in n man's cog or schemes.
I make my money. Live a solid life. Grow my mind and spirit.
Contribute to society, improve personal, and improve society.

The power hungry and greedy who seek wealth lose everything in pursuit of it including the time and understanding to enjoy it. I can't think of a bigger fool on earth or a foolish life. So, if a person wants to pursue that, so be it.


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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26339255 - 11/22/19 10:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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r00tcmplx said:
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saintdextro said:
my problem is ruthlessness and the dissintegration of the world, in the wake of gain there is destruction,




What's your problem here? the freedom for people to be idiots and suffer? That's an option people have the free-will to choose. Its never going away. Sometimes its minimal in history. Sometimes its maximal. Is what it is.





but than you stop inquiring! if you want to improve the world, help educate it, it's better to light a candle than complain about the darkness imho, the thing that's inherently wrong with ambition is if a man is pursuing his own goals, and the woman is pursuing her own goals, how can they have any relationship? help each other with compassion and we grow like the grass and trees in your backyard, if that's how you define ambition.


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"He who finds peace and joy
And radiance within himself
That man becomes one with God
And vanishes into God's bliss."

-Bhagavad Gita, 5.24
One 21 - Building Better Bombs
One 21 - Pacified
One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine
"Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti


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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: saintdextro]
    #26339316 - 11/22/19 11:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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saintdextro said:
but than you stop inquiring!





Inquiring about what? A fool's life and their lower tier pursuits. I inquired enough. I've even experienced it myself at points and upon realizing it minimize my exposure to it. I understand the psychology, nature, and metaphysical structuring of it. There's no more to inquire about here and tons more to inquire about regarding natural science and technology which is why my aim is steaded.

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saintdextro said:
if you want to improve the world, help educate it,




It's 2019, if a person wants to truly educate themselves, there is information and a means to do so. I personally have tried educating the unwilling clowns of the world for the large part of my 20s. Moreso than probably anyone who throws this call to action out there. My overarching conclusion was that the you can't help the unwilling as people have free-will after-all. People choose their paths and center on maximizing it at a certain point. It brings them something that becoming a better person causes them to have to sacrifice. Not many want to sacrifice or improve. They're happy where they are. So, let them be there. When their suffering is enough they'll change. I'm not God or some shepherd of humanity and as I said, I have come to understand my purpose and it isn't helping the clowns of the world become self actualized.

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saintdextro said:
it's better to light a candle than complain about the darkness imho,




You created this thread and are the one complaining about the state of the world. All i did was detail it for you. Now you're coming at me with a call to action.. This is quite similar to the attacks I received when I tried to help people... which is why I minimize how much effort I put there.

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saintdextro said:
the thing that's inherently wrong with ambition is if a man is pursuing his own goals, and the woman is pursuing her own goals, how can they have any relationship? help each other with compassion and we grow like the grass and trees in your backyard, if that's how you define ambition.



You obviously are only seeking to vent here.. So, i'll let you continue with that.
best of wishes.


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Re: Envy and Ambition [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26339337 - 11/22/19 11:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

If that's the last word, i'll let you have it.


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"He who finds peace and joy
And radiance within himself
That man becomes one with God
And vanishes into God's bliss."

-Bhagavad Gita, 5.24
One 21 - Building Better Bombs
One 21 - Pacified
One 21 - Two Sides Is Fine
"Respectability is a cloak for the hypocrite" - Jiddu Krishnamurti


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