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Ape vs PE - the trips? 1
#26336567 - 11/21/19 05:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, how similar or different are the trip experiences between APE and PE? Not done APE (yet) just asking.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Ouuu, this is gonna be good!
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26336633 - 11/21/19 06:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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A Cube Is A Cube. People Say PE Are Stronger Than Regular Psilocybe Cubensis, But I Think It All Depends On Genetics.
I Recently Ate .2 Of Some Colombian Rust, Expecting A Microdose & It Was Comparable To A 2 Gram Trip Of The Wild Psilocybe Cubensis I Find.
I Think Each & Every Mushroom Is Different & Can Widely Range In Potency. Unless It's A Different Psilocybe Species, Such As Azures Or Others, I Think We Shouldn't Label Different Looking Cubes As More Potent Than Others.
Just My Opinion
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: MpSeph] 2
#26336651 - 11/21/19 06:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Never really tried APE despite growing them before. All i know is that PE is fucking strong. like double a regular cube, strong. Its so powerful i would almost prefer a regular cube because PE is very chaotic. i assume APE is the same way, but i am not sure.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: MpSeph]
#26336906 - 11/21/19 08:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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MpSeph said: A Cube Is A Cube. People Say PE Are Stronger Than Regular Psilocybe Cubensis, But I Think It All Depends On Genetics.
I Recently Ate .2 Of Some Colombian Rust, Expecting A Microdose & It Was Comparable To A 2 Gram Trip Of The Wild Psilocybe Cubensis I Find.
I Think Each & Every Mushroom Is Different & Can Widely Range In Potency. Unless It's A Different Psilocybe Species, Such As Azures Or Others, I Think We Shouldn't Label Different Looking Cubes As More Potent Than Others.
Just My Opinion
This is so true. What complicates things unless you're sharing isolated cultures is that everytime anybody grows out any strain, they get their own unique set of genetics. And if you spend the time to explore different varieties within the strain itself it can be very interesting what you can find.
OTOH for a given popular strain that's been in circulation for awhile there are differences between that and other strains that people tend to report, of course that rabbit hole is equally deep.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: PrimalSoup] 1
#26336985 - 11/21/19 08:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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More experienced with APE than PE but they have both been similar in potency. 2-3g alone sends me to mars.
I love APE
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Psicomb] 1
#26337309 - 11/22/19 12:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Primal, I can't believe you haven't done APE. What are you waiting for? 
Can anyone comment on if PE have the same body feel that APE does? It's been about 5 years since I did PE and I really don't remember it being as good as APE. APE is like what I remember ecstasy feeling like with extreme open eye visions. 4.5g and you are walking around in a waking dream. It's fun.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Asura] 1
#26337310 - 11/22/19 12:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I cant even imagine dosing 4.5grams of APE. Thats nutz!
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Asura]
#26337327 - 11/22/19 01:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never tried neither! I tried to grow some PE.. but I got lazy cleaning it up because I had so many other projects going on.
But I guess I'm fine with standard cubes. They never disappoint me lol. 4.5g of APE. Dear lawd...
I've read that both those are like 2.5x more potent that standard cubes. Those are the real aliens right there.
Imagine getting mushrooms for your first time and it being PE/APE but you're familiar with what other people have said "take a gram or two for your first time"
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I don't understand the people who say PE is the same as a regular cube. I find PE to be pretty much double the strength if you have a batch with good genetics.
And if you have a PE with poor genetics it will still be as potent as a regular cube so you save yourself from the chance of growing bunk mushrooms
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I Once Got Some PE From A Guy, Took 1 Gram On An Empty Stomach & Didn't Feel Anything. Nothing.
Now It Could've Been Just How He Stored Them & The Potency Levels Could Have Declined From Light Or Being Left Out In Open Air, Because I Don't Know Where He Kept Them.
But I Know What PE Looks Like & They Were Definitely PE
If I Took 1 Gram Of Those Colombian Rust I Recently Tried, No Doubt I'd Get A 5 Gram Trip, & If I Took 1 Gram Of The Wild Cubes I Find, I'd Get A 1 Gram Trip.
My Point Is, It Is Very Possible To Get Weak PE. Not Every Batch Of PE Are Going To Be Super Strong, Because Of Genetics.
So If You Label PE As Stronger Than Regular Cubes, You Are Saying No Matter What PE Will Be Stronger Than A Regular Cube & That's Not True. Potency Levels Can Vary Widely.
I Believe That The People Who Say PE Are Stronger Than Regular Cubes Have Just Been Lucky To Get Strong PE. They Just Haven't Got Any Weak PE Genetics Yet.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26337635 - 11/22/19 08:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Reading this thread has me pretty stoked. I should have some PEs and PEUs coming soon. I hope they are ready by Christmas. I can’t wait to try them!
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Antigov] 1
#26338063 - 11/22/19 12:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used to think PE was overrated until I got a dehydrator. Drying them 100% makes all the difference in the world.
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Bill_Oreilly said: I used to think PE was overrated until I got a dehydrator. Drying them 100% makes all the difference in the world.
So your opinion is to dry them first opposed to having them fresh?
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Did u have to slice them in half before drying?
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Antigov]
#26338807 - 11/22/19 06:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: I used to think PE was overrated until I got a dehydrator. Drying them 100% makes all the difference in the world.
So your opinion is to dry them first opposed to having them fresh?
No I'm just saying that it's easy to not dry them correctly which would make a real 3.5 actually a 2.2 or something (depending how poorly you dried them)
When I got a dehydrator I could get them cracker dry so a 3.5 is a real 3.5
Does that make sense?
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LogicaL Chaos said: Did u have to slice them in half before drying?
Only the really really big ones. But I do like to cut them in half because they dry quicker.
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Bill_Oreilly said: I used to think PE was overrated until I got a dehydrator. Drying them 100% makes all the difference in the world.
So your opinion is to dry them first opposed to having them fresh?
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Bill_Oreilly said: I used to think PE was overrated until I got a dehydrator. Drying them 100% makes all the difference in the world.
So your opinion is to dry them first opposed to having them fresh?
No I'm just saying that it's easy to not dry them correctly which would make a real 3.5 actually a 2.2 or something (depending how poorly you dried them)
When I got a dehydrator I could get them cracker dry so a 3.5 is a real 3.5
Does that make sense?
Gotcha, dried is easier to dose
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Here is one batch..they all flop over when they get big because I didn't use a thick layer of substrate and PE is much thicker and often longer than regular cubes.
That's why I love PE...they are stronger AND they are bigger/heavier so you get more weight per batch
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Antigov]
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Antigov said:
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Antigov said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: I used to think PE was overrated until I got a dehydrator. Drying them 100% makes all the difference in the world.
So your opinion is to dry them first opposed to having them fresh?
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Bill_Oreilly said: I used to think PE was overrated until I got a dehydrator. Drying them 100% makes all the difference in the world.
So your opinion is to dry them first opposed to having them fresh?
No I'm just saying that it's easy to not dry them correctly which would make a real 3.5 actually a 2.2 or something (depending how poorly you dried them)
When I got a dehydrator I could get them cracker dry so a 3.5 is a real 3.5
Does that make sense?
Gotcha, dried is easier to dose
Well not entirely. I'm saying that if you don't dry them 100% then you weigh out 3.5g, it will be far less than 3.5g despite the scale saying 3.5. If you only dry them 50% and you weigh out a 3.5, it will only truly weigh about 1.8ish
Someone else here can explain it much better
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Asura] 2
#26339046 - 11/22/19 08:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asura said: Primal, I can't believe you haven't done APE. What are you waiting for? 
Can anyone comment on if PE have the same body feel that APE does? It's been about 5 years since I did PE and I really don't remember it being as good as APE. APE is like what I remember ecstasy feeling like with extreme open eye visions. 4.5g and you are walking around in a waking dream. It's fun.
I haven't grown anything in a while. But that's changing: 
Gonna sign up for the APE experience this time round. Sounds like my kind of trip.
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Vibe_Enthusiast said: 2.5x more potent that standard cubes.
Not IME, PE runs a full tolerance dosage of about 150-160 g fresh whereas good ordinary cubes are in the 230-250 g fresh range. Notice I said full tolerance, that's where I am after a couple weeks dosing 4-5 days a week. But that's a significant upgrade no matter what.
Also, well PE seems a lot more like woodlovers to me than any other cube so far.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I agree fully. I had always gotten normal cubes throught high school and then went to bonnaroo when i graduated in 09 and had PE for the first time and it obliterated me into the 4th dimension. With that being said, ape is another step up in potency. i was wanting to get some pan cyan going but im cool with the apes. lolol They dont yeild to heavy, they can if you have really good genes but they are fucking magnificent to see fruiting in abundance. Total worth of efforts.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: bathingAPE] 3
#26483938 - 02/13/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh cool - I finally have an APE print so I'll get started on it.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: PrimalSoup] 2
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Funny I should happen on this thread. Last night I got my ass handed to me infinite times in a finite time by the ape. I was just testing it out. Figuring on a level one experience, I took .6 gram... I'm not ashamed to say I've never been that deep before on anything. I'm utterly floored.
I was doing Tai chi while flying through space, took a shit in my shower, removed my face several times with my hands and that was all just the boring part before it really hit me.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Smartattack] 1
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Smartattack said: I was doing Tai chi while flying through space, took a shit in my shower, removed my face several times with my hands and that was all just the boring part before it really hit me. 
This is how it's done, folks.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Smartattack] 1
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Smartattack, I'm with you... I worked myself up and I am able to take 1.5G of APE, but it sends me to different dimensions every time with no concept of reality.
People writing about taking 4+G's of APE on here makes me wonder sometimes if it was really APE they took.
APE is the strongest shrooms I had in my life, period.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: LRK]
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I know there's been some disinformation going on, as in a disinformation campaign, mainly to keep the hallucinogens out of the reach of most people, but it's also about keeping your "audience" in mind. It's best not to "dumb it down" as if you're speaking to a casual crowd.
I made the mistake of assuming most people read the books I read, so I started talking about things casually, or describing the hallucinations in sometimes simple terms, but it's been for multiple reasons. I thought I was going to "write a book" where most of it would be in there, but I'm not so sure about that route.
Most audience's I find myself talking to are satisfied and seem to want more and more, hence the decision to just write a book instead. It couldn't be written, published, and read soon enough, then, not just if they really want to know, but if I really feel the need to talk about it with them.
Another thing that gets me, is the "afterglow" part, where an audience seems disappointed you aren't "spiritually conscious" ("woke") or "spiritually enlightened," depending on behavior.
They think I should describe the hallucinations as soon as possible, or think they "deserve to be told" by me. It just seems weird, and like everyone is trying to get something for nothing. The DMT I extracted and smoked prepared me for the high dose mushrooms and LSD I decided to take. I've been talking about it a long time but audiences don't listen, or just want someone else to tell them "to make sure" just in case they don't believe me. It's sometimes not what you say but how you say it.
It's mainly just explaining the rest of the detail to ascertain why my life the way it is now.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Blabble40]
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I am not sure I follow your reply to my previous post in relation to what I've said?
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Smartattack said: Funny I should happen on this thread. Last night I got my ass handed to me infinite times in a finite time by the ape. I was just testing it out. Figuring on a level one experience, I took .6 gram... I'm not ashamed to say I've never been that deep before on anything. I'm utterly floored.
I was doing Tai chi while flying through space, took a shit in my shower, removed my face several times with my hands and that was all just the boring part before it really hit me. 
Sounds like an endorsement to me. Grow little spores, grow!
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Blabble40]
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I know there's been some disinformation going on, as in a disinformation campaign, mainly to keep the hallucinogens out of the reach of most people, but it's also about keeping your "audience" in mind. It's best not to "dumb it down" as if you're speaking to a casual crowd.
I made the mistake of assuming most people read the books I read, so I started talking about things casually, or describing the hallucinations in sometimes simple terms, but it's been for multiple reasons. I thought I was going to "write a book" where most of it would be in there, but I'm not so sure about that route.
Most audience's I find myself talking to are satisfied and seem to want more and more, hence the decision to just write a book instead. It couldn't be written, published, and read soon enough, then, not just if they really want to know, but if I really feel the need to talk about it with them.
Another thing that gets me, is the "afterglow" part, where an audience seems disappointed you aren't "spiritually conscious" ("woke") or "spiritually enlightened," depending on behavior.
They think I should describe the hallucinations as soon as possible, or think they "deserve to be told" by me. It just seems weird, and like everyone is trying to get something for nothing. The DMT I extracted and smoked prepared me for the high dose mushrooms and LSD I decided to take. I've been talking about it a long time but audiences don't listen, or just want someone else to tell them "to make sure" just in case they don't believe me. It's sometimes not what you say but how you say it.
It's mainly just explaining the rest of the detail to ascertain why my life the way it is now.
Which has what to do with APE vs PE, exactly?
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This has me super excited!! I've got about a dozen plates with APE transfers going right now... I put the parent plate to grain a few days ago... it wasnt super aggressive on agar but looks to be taking off in the jar... I'll keep ya updated!
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We can have a grow-along thread in TPE!
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26497173 - 02/21/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I’ve never seen a post by Blabble that had anything to do with the OP
Am I the only one that thinks APEs are ugly? I can see how someone could view them as beautiful, but I think they look off-putting. Personally only tried PE, never had the opportunity to try APE. I’m intrigued by the “ecstasy” comparison, because I have seen a few reports like that, but have also seen some reports that they’re darker than most other cubes. I wonder how much of that has to do with how wicked looking they are. Personally I could see myself succumbing to darker feelings because of the way they look. I know, rationally, that looks have no influence on the effects, but under the influence of Psilocybin, rationale can, and usually does, go out the window.
I obtained a half oz of Pan Bisporus somewhere around 2013 but I never got around to eating them because I also got an oz of Pan Cyans at the same time and I thought the Bisporus just looked wicked. Fast forward 6-7 years and I’ve seen multiple reports in the pan thread about Bisporus feeling the “darkest” of all the pans. Coincidence?
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: LRK] 1
#26497236 - 02/21/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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LRK said: Smartattack, I'm with you... I worked myself up and I am able to take 1.5G of APE, but it sends me to different dimensions every time with no concept of reality.
People writing about taking 4 G's of APE on here makes me wonder sometimes if it was really APE they took.
APE is the strongest shrooms I had in my life, period.
Is this the stuff? 

I think you work up to it like you said. And then you accidentally take too much bc you don't know what you are dealing with...as was the case with me.
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CosmicGiggle said: I’ I’m intrigued by the “ecstasy” comparison, because I have seen a few reports like that, but have also seen some reports that they’re darker than most other cubes. I wonder how much of that has to do with how wicked looking they are.
Tea always looks pretty much the same to me.
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: Asura] 1
#26497800 - 02/21/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah that's it
Man I personally don't want to mess up the weighing on APE. If you take more than you anticipate it's going to be a wild ride. Well it will be a wild ride in any case not much you can do about that
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Re: Ape vs PE - the trips? [Re: LRK]
#26497885 - 02/22/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Definitely.
And since APE has a higher density than other strains, a small physical amount goes a long way.
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